homersapien 11,373 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 11 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said: How so? I mention your whining, throw in an article about liberals, and now you want a pissing contest. Nice deflection. I think the comment set you off. I can read you like a book, son. When I realllllyyyyyy get under your skin, you start “lawyer jokes” and then insert laughing emojies to your own comments. Are you sure you’re really as old as you say you are? Seriously? You're starting to self-satirize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, GiveEmElle said: Yes, and nowhere will you find me defending it under his administration. It was wrong then and is wrong now. But you excuse it by deflecting to Obama. And it’s really cute how you like to throw out that I have anger issues. It’s a tactic you use to make yourself feel better about supporting such an atrocious president. Let me insult Elle and characterize her as an irrational angry person to deflect from the fact that the man I support just left the G7 because he didn’t get his way and is angry tweeting about it. I’m sure that works in convincing people that your views are credible. YOU referred to "my anger issue" so I was just responding. I'm not trying to be cute or using any tactic to make me feel better as you say. I feel fine and and God has blessed me way beyond what I deserve. I tried to be civil in my last post but I think when it comes to Trump you just aren't capable of being civil so I will give up. I like him as my President and think it is fantastic he will be having a summit with the NK dictator in a few hours. We should all be praying and hoping for the best since the outcome could have a positive effect on our country and our children's future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, TitanTiger said: But what would you expect of the "pro-abortion" party? They don't value children anyway, right? But the GOP and our "pro-life" president should operate at a higher moral level should they not? It's funny how you and others don't like reference to previous president's morality. Trump is no worse than a lot of them. To mention a few prominent ones: -Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence and made significant input to our Constitution. hadd an affair and a child by a slave woman. He has a major memorial in Washington. -the beloved FDR had an affair over several years while still married to Elanor. Lucy was usually always with him at the Little WH in Warm Springs and was with him when he died there. --Eisenhower had an affair with a lady aide while he was still in the Army but before he became Pres. -Ronald Regan had a few affairs before he was pres. and maybe even in the early days of his pres. -JFK was a notorious womanizer and had more in the WH than any pres. yet is honored by the eternal flame in Arlington. -and of course there is good old Bill Clinton Trump is no saint but neither were many of his predecessors, both Dem. and GOP. At least he hasn't brought any of his ladies to the WH. So why should he be held to any higher standard than many of his predecessors? Seems hypocritical to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, GiveEmElle said: Alright, let’s focus on policy. The pro life party is throwing immigrant children that they’ve stolen from their parents in cages and taking healthcare away from American children by defunding CHIP so wealthy corporations can get a tax cut. Trump’s policies suck. Cages? What you talkin bout Willis? and the other party who claims to care about the lives of children is ok with them being terminated in the womb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,373 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Proud Tiger said: It's funny how you and others don't like reference to previous president's morality. Trump is no worse than a lot of them. To mention a few prominent ones: -Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence and made significant input to our Constitution. hadd an affair and a child by a slave woman. He has a major memorial in Washington. -the beloved FDR had an affair over several years while still married to Elanor. Lucy was usually always with him at the Little WH in Warm Springs and was with him when he died there. --Eisenhower had an affair with a lady aide while he was still in the Army but before he became Pres. -Ronald Regan had a few affairs before he was pres. and maybe even in the early days of his pres. -JFK was a notorious womanizer and had more in the WH than any pres. yet is honored by the eternal flame in Arlington. -and of course there is good old Bill Clinton Trump is no saint but neither were many of his predecessors, both Dem. and GOP. At least he hasn't brought any of his ladies to the WH. So why should he be held to any higher standard than many of his predecessors? Seems hypocritical to me. Sexual dalliances is the least of Trump's issues. In fact, one could say that such behavior is pretty much standard with the type of person who seeks the office. The problem with Trump is much, much deeper and profound that his screwing around with women other than his wife. It's about his fundamental personality disorder. He is as much defined by who he is as what he does. He is a narcissistic psychopath who cannot tolerate the least criticism. There are numerous examples of this throughout his life and many in the presidential campaign. His behavior at the G-7 meeting and his treatment of the Canadian prime minister is a perfect recent example. On top of that he is simply unread and ignorant. None of the historical examples you listed come close to Trump by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUB78 1,358 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 On 6/8/2018 at 2:20 PM, GiveEmElle said: God Has Nothing to Do With Trump Being President JUNE 8, 2018 / JOHN PAVLOVITZ If I hear one more Evangelical claim that God chose Donald Trump, I’m swear I’m gonna rapture myself. Christian Trumpers really need to stop spiritualizing the man, his campaign, and his Presidency. It’s sinful.It’s blasphemous.It’s lousy evangelism.It’s also just plain asinine. The hypocrisy on display is historic: after spending the past 8 years straining to find infinitesimal specks in Barack Obama’s eye that they could condemn as dealbreakers—Evangelicals are now perfectly fine with Trump’s forest of Redwoods. In fact, in the most dizzying display of theological spin doctoring, it is now precisely his ever-growing trail of personal toxic discharge that supposedly proves evidence of God’s hand in it all. So Trump’s multiple marriages, his porn star affairs, his mountain of sexual assault claims, his verbal obscenities, his disregard for rule of law, his compulsive lying, his clear racism, his unrelenting attacks on marginalized communities (things these Christians would have figuratively and almost literally crucified Obama for) are now unmistakable signs that God is using this President. This is nonsense of Biblical proportions; to try and draw some line between Jesus of Nazareth and Don of New York, is about as farcical as you can get without actually spontaneously combusting from the cognitive dissonance. Dying to justify their own allegiances to Trump, Evangelicals have lumped him in with other famously flawed heroes of Scripture, suggesting he is actually God’s anointed, imperfect tool of salvation—in the tradition of the Old Testament.(Well, God did apparently use the jawbone of an ass, so I guess there is precedent). Seriously, this sanctified retrofitting of this godless President to any kind of Providential momentum is the height of absurdity. By that measurement, let’s find all the most reprehensible human beings we can, give them carte blanche in our seats of power—and see just what God can do! No, Donald Trump wasn’t anointed by God.He isn’t an instrument of Divine will.He isn’t Biblically hastening Armageddon or Jesus’ return. He’s just a hateful, indecent, predatory fraud who is destroying the environment, stripping people of their human rights, and making America a global laughing-stock. His ascension is not prophetic but pathetic, the result of: Russian interference, fake news, gerrymandering,voter suppression,Hillary hatred,Obama resentment, Fox News brainwashing,Democratic stumbles, the votes of bigoted Evangelicals, whites terrified of losing market share, and third-party voters—and the inaction of 100 million Americans who couldn’t be bothered to participate in one of the greatest responsibilities of living here. That’s it. No Providence.No Divine messages.No Biblical prophecies.No spiritual movements. Just ordinary human beings who chose really, really poorly when they should have known better. This isn’t a mystery or a miracle—and it sure as hell isn’t God.Christians need to stop passing the buck to God, and just own the compromises and sick bedfellows they’ve been willing to make for Supreme Court seats, anti-LGBTQ legislation, weapon stockpiling, and a rapidly assembling white Christian theocracy. Stop namedropping God. God wasn’t generating fake news or showing up at his campaign rallies or stumping for him at nationwide crusades or using him as an expression of their misogyny.God didn’t vote for the guy who said he could grab women by the genitalia.God didn’t choose the guy who said protestors should be beaten.God didn’t go with the guy endorsed by the KKK.God didn’t excuse the bankruptcies and overlook the affairs and laugh off the racist remarks. I’m pretty sure people did that—lots of supposedly Christian folks. And God isn’t now taunting teenage shooting victims on social media,or ignoring thousands of lost immigrant children,or turning a blind eye to Constitutional crises,or celebrating LGBTQ discrimination,or laughing off collusion, treason, and human rights atrocities. Again, Christians.We really should stop pretending God is responsible for this fast food dumpster fire, when it’s clear whose hand is in it all. This reality is the rotten fruit of misogyny,racism,Nationalism, fear, xenophobia, and bigotry—all released by people who want God to consent to it all so they don’t have to deal with their own culpability or face their own repentance. God does not consent. Pray on that. John Pavlovitz Daniel 2:21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,482 Posted June 11, 2018 Author Share Posted June 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Proud Tiger said: It's funny how you and others don't like reference to previous president's morality. Trump is no worse than a lot of them. To mention a few prominent ones: No, you're still not getting it. It's not about being "no worse." We should be better should we not? Like, a lot better. I mean, we care about children and families! We're "pro-life" and they're baby killers and anti-family. I mean, am I wrong? Have we sunk so low that now we're satisfied with just being "no worse than the Dems?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 5 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said: Cages? What you talkin bout Willis? and the other party who claims to care about the lives of children is ok with them being terminated in the womb... Well gee. You got me on that abortion thing. So tell me, how many Republicans have tried to get Roe v. Wade overturned? I can recall three Republican presidents in my lifetime ( not including Trump) and none of them touched it. Your party isn’t against abortion. Abortion is just a political tool to get the evangelical vote and pretend to have the moral high ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 5 hours ago, Proud Tiger said: YOU referred to "my anger issue" so I was just responding. I'm not trying to be cute or using any tactic to make me feel better as you say. I feel fine and and God has blessed me way beyond what I deserve. I tried to be civil in my last post but I think when it comes to Trump you just aren't capable of being civil so I will give up. I like him as my President and think it is fantastic he will be having a summit with the NK dictator in a few hours. We should all be praying and hoping for the best since the outcome could have a positive effect on our country and our children's future. Ok, you’re going to have to quote me. I don’t recall saying you had anger issues. I am very aware you love Trump. I don’t. I have no respect for a man who sexually assaults women, mocks the handicap,promotes racism, insults people he works with on Twitter, and brags incessantly on himself. And I have trouble understanding why people admire him and ignore those horrible characteristics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 39 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said: Ok, you’re going to have to quote me. I don’t recall saying you had anger issues. I am very aware you love Trump. I don’t. I have no respect for a man who sexually assaults women, mocks the handicap,promotes racism, insults people he works with on Twitter, and brags incessantly on himself. And I have trouble understanding why people admire him and ignore those horrible characteristics. You are having a serous problem with comprehension. I never said that you said I had anger problems. And I definitely don't. I can feel sorry for someone who does without me having the same. Anyhow I'm glad you got a little work in today and contributed to my social security. zof course you will never get any since Trump will abolish it sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,482 Posted June 11, 2018 Author Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Proud Tiger said: You are having a serous problem wit comprehension. I never said that you said I had anger problems. And I definitely don't. I can feel sorry for someone who does without me having the same. Quote from you: "YOU referred to "my anger issue" so I was just responding." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Quote from you: "YOU referred to "my anger issue" so I was just responding." You are having trouble too. She said in a post earlier "my anger issues" clearly referring to herself. But see as you will since you are always right. But she is a big girl and is fully capable of speaking for herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,482 Posted June 11, 2018 Author Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said: You are having trouble too. She said in a post earlier "my anger issues" clearly referring to herself. But see as you will since you are always right. It might help if you expressed yourself more clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said: You are having a serous problem with comprehension. I never said that you said I had anger problems. And I definitely don't. I can feel sorry for someone who does without me having the same. Anyhow I'm glad you got a little work in today and contributed to my social security. zof course you will never get any since Trump will abolish it sooner or later. Again, it makes you feel good to say in every response to me that I have anger issues. Someone who doesn’t know me lying about me on a message board is rather amusing. Especially when it’s the only response they can muster in every post. I’m glad I got to work also. I met a man from Ireland today. And his accent was YAR. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: It might help if you expressed yourself more clearly. Preach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Just watched a summary of tonight's news shows. The liberals are actually hoping for a Trump failure at today's summit. Bunch of sickos. But I think there a few here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 3 hours ago, GiveEmElle said: Well gee. You got me on that abortion thing. So tell me, how many Republicans have tried to get Roe v. Wade overturned? I can recall three Republican presidents in my lifetime ( not including Trump) and none of them touched it. Your party isn’t against abortion. Abortion is just a political tool to get the evangelical vote and pretend to have the moral high ground. With all due respect, it appears obvious that you don’t fully comprehend how exactly a SCOTUS case gets overruled, nor the respected provinces of governmental branches. There’s something called Separation of Powers. Check up on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: With all due respect, it appears obvious that you don’t fully comprehend how exactly a SCOTUS case gets overruled, nor the respected provinces of governmental branches. There’s something called Separation of Powers. Check up on it. I have. And how many times has SCOTUS been more right than left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said: I have. And how many times has SCOTUS been more right than left? You’re not making any sense. Over half of SOCTUS rulings are unanimous..... Do You think a political party can overturn SCOTUS rulings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: You’re not making any sense. Do You think a political party can overturn SCOTUS rulings? No. But I think it’s important. Otherwise Mitch McConnell wouldn’t have blocked Obama’s SCOTUS pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said: No. But I think it’s important. Otherwise Mitch McConnell wouldn’t have blocked Obama’s SCOTUS pick. Huh?? Do you realize that less than 10% of SCOTUS cases are decided 5-4? Congress didn’t have to accept Barry’s pick. Every congress delays pick if feasible. They wanted a Scalia replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: Huh?? Do you realize that less than 10% of SCOTUS cases are decided 5-4? Congress didn’t have to accept Barry’s pick. Every congress delays pick if feasible. They wanted a Scalia replacement. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/why-the-supreme-court-matters-more-to-republicans-than-trump/504038/ The GOP values SCOTUS. And interestingly enough that’s the reason Franklin Graham got behind Trump- so he could pick the next SCOTUS appointee. They effect the law of the land and the GOP wants things to swing their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Proud Tiger said: Just watched a summary of tonight's news shows. The liberals are actually hoping for a Trump failure at today's summit. Bunch of sickos. But I think there a few here too. Who broadcasted the summary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Oh @NolaAuTiger What were you saying about 5-4 decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/why-the-supreme-court-matters-more-to-republicans-than-trump/504038/ The GOP values SCOTUS. And interestingly enough that’s the reason Franklin Graham got behind Trump- so he could pick the next SCOTUS appointee. They effect the law of the land and the GOP wants things to swing their way. The Supreme Court doesn’t make law. Judges are not yoked to political parties. Less than 10% of cases are decided 5-4. If you had a clue about the typical case SCOTUS hears, you’d see this a lot differently. Most of the time they are interpreting laws that you wouldn’t know where to find - and not by any fault of your own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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