Durham Probe

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3 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about earlier. The real meat and potatoes of what the Durham filing actually said (that they analyzed the DNS traffic on servers that were already in their possession legally) and some of that background is given in this federalist article, but then all the rest…a majority of the article, is spent quoting unrelated and unreliable Trump Allie’s and operatives like Patel and Grenell, using their quotes and opinions to make the hard accusations and connections  against Hillary and Democrats, because the Durham filing itself doesn’t actually make those connections on its own. 
 

The regular media IS reporting on the Durham filing, but unlike the Conservative sources you people are posting and reading, the regular media isn’t filling their articles with opinions and propaganda to create a narrative and story that the Durahm filing itself doesn’t directly make. 

That sounds so familiar. How can that be? people taking 1-2 actual facts and then giving a megaton of batcrap crazy opinions.

Oh yea....Sounds like what some on here did for 4+ years screaming RUSSIANS!!!!!!

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3 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about earlier. The real meat and potatoes of what the Durham filing actually said (that they analyzed the DNS traffic on servers that were already in their possession legally) and some of that background is given in this federalist article, and blah blah blah  

SEE BELOW

The regular media IS reporting on the Durham filing, but unlike the Conservative sources you people are posting and reading, the regular media isn’t filling their articles with opinions and propaganda to create a narrative and story that the Durahm filing itself doesn’t directly make. 

SEE BELOW

vs the story.

 

The motion further stressed that Joffe’s internet company “had come to access and maintain dedicated servers for the EOP as part of a sensitive arrangement whereby it provided DNS resolution services to the EOP.” Joffe and his associates, the motion claimed, “exploited this arrangement by mining the EOP’s DNS traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump.”

According to the motion, Joffe did more than have his associates mine internet traffic at Trump Tower, Trump’s residential apartment building, and the executive office of the president of the United States—he gave that data to Sussmann, who provided it to the CIA during a February 9, 2017 meeting. During that meeting, Sussmann gave the CIA “data which he claimed reflected purportedly suspicious DNS lookups by Trump Tower, Trump’s residential apartment building, the EOP, and a healthcare provider, of internet protocol or IP addresses affiliated with a Russian mobile phone provided.”

According to Friday’s motion, Sussmann told the CIA during this meeting “that these lookups demonstrated that Trump and/or his associates were using supposedly rare, Russian-made wireless phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations.”

HALF TRUTH HERE

Not only was there “no support for these allegations,” the motion explained, but the special counsel’s office obtained “more complete DNS data” from the company that assisted Joffe. It discovered that Joffe and his associates had gathered data showing that between 2014 and 2017 there were more than 3 million lookups of the Russian phone-provider’s IP address, but fewer than 1,000 originated with IPS addresses affiliated with Trump Tower.

Additionally, the data assembled by Joffe and his associates showed the DNS look-ups involving the EOP and the Russian cellphone provider “began at least as earlier as 2014 i.e., DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION and years before Trump took office.”

THE REST OF THE TRUTH

The data Sussmann shared with the CIA, however, omitted both these details. Sussmann also allegedly told the CIA he was not acting on behalf of any client when, according to Durham, Sussmann was, in fact, working for Joffe.

This Means Joffe Knew Sussman Was Lying to the CIA

Is anyone surprised at this now?

This revelation is huge. It means Joffe had data that disproved the very theory Sussman peddled to the CIA about Trump or his associates “using supposedly rare, Russian-made wireless phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations.” Further, the CIA received only the misleading data and not the full analysis Joffe had commissioned.

If you believe anything that Sussman and Joffe said regarding phones, etc YAASF. And this is just the beginning of the story folks. You always bag the lower level rats before you go for the bigger prey...

Two added details confirm the significance of this revelation. First, shortly after news of the Sussmann indictment broke and while the press remained hyper-focused on the Alfa Bank angle, The New York Times gave Sussmann’s team an assist in getting ahead of the news by causally reporting about the targeting of Trump with DNS look-ups.

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The Checkered Past of the FBI Cyber Contractor Who 'Spied' on Trump

Long before FBI computer contractor and Clinton operative Rodney L. Joffe allegedly trolled Internet traffic for dirt on President Trump, he mined direct-marketing contact lists for the names and addresses of unwitting Americans to target in a promotional scam involving a grandfather clock.

Rodney Joffe: Anti-Trump computer contractor had a mail-order racket that enticed millions -- and landed him in trouble.

LinkedIn

 

Michael Sussmann: Durham's indictment of this ex-Clinton lawyer also discloses much about Joffe.

perkinscoie.com

 

Not just any clock, mind you, but a “world famous Bentley IX” model, according to postcards his companies mailed out to millions of people in the late 1980s claiming they'd won the clock in a contest they never entered. There was just one hitch: the lucky winners had to send $69.19 in shipping fees to redeem their supposedly five-foot mahogany prize.

Tens of thousands of folks forked over the fees, only to discover the grandfather clock that arrived was nothing as advertised. It was really just a table-top version made of particle board and plastic and worth less than $10. Some assembly was required.

The scheme generated thousands of complaints, sparking federal and state investigations. Joffe and his then-California partner, Linda M. Carella, were eyed by federal postal authorities and several state attorneys general for allegedly operating a multi-state mail-order scheme. Joffe settled several state lawsuits by agreeing to refund hundreds of thousands of dollars mainly to elderly victims, according to several published reports at the time.

So, Joffe was a grifter and a con artist for 30+ years...

Joffe and his attorney did not respond to requests for comment. But in a phone interview, Carella told RealClearInvestigations that Joffe ran the operation. “I was just the secretary, the receptionist,” Carella, 76, said from her home in Florida, where she is now retired. She did say she picked up the returned postcards and checks from mailboxes.

Carella said she quit after the investigation: “I said I don’t want anything more to do with this … I have not seen Rodney since then.” But Joffe pressed on with his direct-mail marketing business before packing up for Arizona a few years later. Federal and state tax lien records reveal Joffe -- who also sent out mailers for skin care and other beauty products -- owed more than $110,000 in back taxes on his property in Los Angeles in 1995.

A 1988 consumer article in the St. Joseph (Mo.) News-Press citing Joffe’s role in the alleged grandfather clock scam.

St. Joseph News-Press 

Joffe’s checkered past now has national security ramifications after the South African-born computer expert was outed as a key player in Special Counsel John Durham’s ongoing Russiagate probe. To date he has not been charged with a crime. But in a September indictment of former Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann, and a court filing last week, Durham has suggested that Joffe (identified as “Tech Executive-1”) was at the center of an effort to monitor President Trump’s communications and then share the information with Clinton associates.

So, the man at the epicenter of two stories about djt was just a Long Time Con Artist Liar for Hire...

Former prosecutor and assistant FBI director Chris Swecker said the credibility issues that cropped up from Joffe’s early career raise questions about how he managed to pass an FBI personal background check and obtain the government’s highest security clearances and win several bids for sensitive federal contracts, although he noted that such background checks were often ridiculed in the bureau as “a joke.” In addition, the federal mail-order probe involving Joffe’s companies might not have raised serious red flags since the case was opened decades earlier and was settled without any charges or judgments against Joffe.

The FBI declined comment.

Another part of the answer as to why Joffe’s past remained buried may involve how successfully he appears to have reinvented himself during the 1990s.

He relocated then to Phoenix from Los Angeles and changed the name of his mass-marketing firm American Computer Group to “Whitehat Data Services.” Instead of targeting consumers, he developed a reputation as a cyber-security expert and, ironically, a champion of consumers battling abusive direct-marketers and spammers.

Perhaps it was a sign of his redemption. But Joffe soon joined the board of PlasmaNet Inc., a marketing network that until recently operated FreeLotto.com, an online sweepstakes game. PlasmaNet has had to pay millions of dollars in fines for deceptive advertising. Echoing the grandfather clock scam, PlasmaNet led consumers to believe they won free prizes when in fact they had to pay $14.99 a month to claim them. RCI has learned that FreeLotto.com was a customer of UltraDNS, an Internet resolution company founded by Joffe. Business incorporation records show Joffe remains a PlasmaNet director.

Once a Con Artist, always a Con Artist. 

A decade later, Joffe moved to Washington, where he eventually landed lucrative security-related contracts with the FBI and Pentagon REQUIRING TOP SECRET CLEARANCE.

In 2006, Joffe joined Neustar Inc., a Beltway computer contractor that, among other things, secures and maintains Internet servers for federal agencies, including the White House. This high-level position gave the alleged former grandfather clock wheedler access to a proprietary archive of Internet traffic records – both public and nonpublic – known as "DNS logs." These logs reveal the back-and-forth pinging that computers and cellphones generate when they communicate with Internet servers, including ones transmitting emails.

Joffe advised not only FBI brass but White House officials, including President Obama (top photo).

MAAWG/Messaging, Malware and Mobile Anti-Abuse Working Group/YouTube

 

It also put him in the same orbit with political VIPs. Joffe started advising not only FBI brass but White House officials, including President Obama, on cybersecurity matters. By 2016, his access to proprietary internet logs became of interest to operatives for the Hillary Clinton campaign, who appear to have offered him a plum job in a Clinton presidency for help on an opposition-research project against Donald Trump. (Shortly after Clinton's loss to Trump in November 2016, Joffe said in an email: "I was tentatively offered the top [cybersecurity] job by the Democrats when it looked like they'd win. I definitely would not take the job under Trump.”)

John Durham: Alleges Joffe exploited Neustar’s data to monitor Trump’s Internet activities even after the 2016 election.

Department of Justice/AP

 

One of those operatives was ex-Clinton attorney Sussmann, indicted by Durham last fall in connection with allegations of lying about his work on the project for the campaign.  

In the indictment and recent court filings that widen the case, Durham accused Joffe of exploiting Neustar’s nonpublic data to monitor Trump’s Internet activities even after the 2016 election – through early 2017. He shared the sensitive information with Sussmann, who in turn gave it to the CIA. The prosecutor said Joffe mined data from Trump Tower, Trump’s Central Park West apartment building and even the Executive Office of the President “for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump.”

According to court papers, Joffe cherry-picked data to create a "narrative” that Trump was secretly communicating with the Kremlin as part of the Clinton campaign’s effort to make the GOP nominee look like he was compromised by Russia, a foreign adversary. Before the election, Joffe led a team of computer researchers vying for a major Pentagon contract to link Trump to Russian Alfa Bank through private DNS logs. He handed off their findings to Sussmann who fed the data to the FBI to drive an investigation and bad press against Trump.

“THE DATA WAS HIGHLY MANIPULATED,” said Robert Graham of Atlanta-based Errata Security, an independent cyberforensics expert who examined the logs and DEBUNKED THE LINK AT THE TIME. He suspects JOFFE AND HIS BIASED CREW SET OUT TO INVENT A CONNECTION between Trump and Russia.

“A link between Trump and Alfa bank wasn’t something they accidentally found, it was one of the many thousands of links they looked for,” he added. “The purpose was to smear Trump.”

Though Graham as a Clinton supporter shares Joffe’s disdain for Trump, he said the suspicious server data were easily explained as innocent spam traffic. Graham noted that Trump didn’t even have control over the domain in question: trump-email.com. It was created by a hotel marketing firm that inserted Trump’s name in the domain.

So, to recap. The DNS Info was almost all SPAM, the vast majority of the DNS links dated back to Obama Administration, but all that was pulled from the DNS records in an attempt to frame people in the Trump Administration.

“Hints of a Trump-Alfa connection have always been the dishonesty of those who collected the data,” Graham said.

Manos Antonakakis: Joffe's lead researcher said in an email that “the only thing that drives us is that we just don’t like [Trump].”

gatech.edu

 

Even though Joffe encouraged Sussmann to present the server data to the FBI as possible evidence of foreign espionage, he privately confessed to his reseachers in an August 2016 email obtained by Durham that the host for the trump-email.com domain  “is a legitimate valid [marketing] company” – Boca Raton, Fla.-based Cendyn. “We can ignore it,” Joffe said, "together with others that seem to be part of the marketing world.” He urged his team to keep searching for data that would “give the base of a very useful narrative."

But yet as he ADMITTED and TOLD HIS RESEARCHERS TO IGNORE IT, He and Sussman used that same data to sell the Alpha Bank and Russian Cell Phones Stories to the FBI.

In previous statements, lawyers for Joffe and the researchers he recruited have said they had no political ax to grind but were monitoring Trump to track a credible national security threat related to Russia. But Joffe’s lead researcher – Manos Antonakakis of the Georgia Institute of Technology – revealed in one email obtained by Durham that “the only thing that drives us is that we just don’t like [Trump].” Other emails, released this week by Judicial Watch through a Freedom of Information Act request, show that Antonakakis believed even the most salacious – and debunked – rumors in the Clinton-commissioned Steele dossier.

Add Manos Antonakakis to the YAASF List.

Recent court filings indicate Durham and his prosecutors aren’t buying their "concerned patriot" defense. Some see a crime in exploiting high-security government contracts for political purposes.

“In my opinion, Joffe is someone who should be indicted and probably will be,” former FBI official Swecker said in an RCI interview.

Eisenhower Executive Office Building: Anti-Trump spying target?

John Donovan Lambert/Wikimedia

 

“As I see it,” Swecker explained, “Joffe, who worked for Neustar at the time, had a contract with either the Executive Office of the President or the [presidential] transition team, and he used information gleaned from his contractual relationship to provide that private information to the Clinton campaign. Depending on the actual facts on the ground, it could constitute mail or wire fraud, and if it were an actual government contract, perhaps fraud against the government – that is, the Executive Office of the President.”

Added Swecker: “There could be other criminal statutes [invoked] as well" -- including conspiracy -- "but to me, the key issue is his contractual relationship. He also engaged researchers at Georgia Tech who were working on a government contract and being paid by the U.S. government.”

In a public statement, a spokesman for Joffe argued that the then-Neustar executive had authority to mine the White House data: "Under the terms of the contract, the data could be accessed to identify and analyze any security breaches or threats,” including concerns about Russian interference in the election.

We can only assume that doing HIGHLY MANIPULATED triage on that data to protect the Obama Admin and to manufacture a BS case against the people in the Trump Admin is also is also just another day at the office for those completely corrupt in DC. Question Number One has to be just how ******* stupid the people in the FBI have to be to have ever hired and used this guy?

Joffe Internet Firms in Durham’s Sights

While not charged with a crime, Joffe, despite being subpoenaed, does not appear to be actively cooperating with Durham’s investigation. He does not show up on a discovery document recently filed by Durham listing people interviewed by investigators or the grand jury. Asked if Joffe has received a target letter, his attorney Steven Tyrrell did not answer. On Twitter, Joffe has removed all his tweets dating back to 2014. <fer>

Durham’s office is looking closely at Washington-based Neustar, and firms Joffe founded while working there. Joffe has created more than two dozen startups across several states, some of which have no employees, revenue or even offices.  

Neustar

 

Sources told RCI that Durham’s office is looking closely at Washington-based Neustar – which Joffe left in September following Sussmann’s indictment – and two Internet firms Joffe operated while still working there: Packet Forensics and Vostrom Ventures, both of which are controlled by Vostrom Holdings Inc. and also have offices in the greater Washington area.

Durham’s investigators have interviewed several current and former employees at all three companies, and obtained thousands of pages of subpoenaed documents from them, recent court filings reveal. In September 2016, Sussmann billed Neustar for “communications regarding confidential project,” a reference to Joffe's mission to find a “secret hotline” between Trump and the Kremlin via Alfa Bank's servers. That Sussmann billed Neustar for this work suggests a level of involvement by the company that has not been explained.

A month earlier, Joffe had tasked employees at his two small Internet startups to search for any Internet data (including private DNS holdings) reflecting potential connections or communications between Trump or his associates and Russia. Joffe emailed them a five-page dossier – the “Trump Associates List” – to guide their queries. As RCI first reported, the list included highly personal information on Trump campaign advisers Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos and Carter Page. Steve Bannon appears to have been added to the list later as another target, the emails released by Judicial Watch reveal.

Packet Forensics reportedly landed a recent Pentagon contract to manage a large chunk of Internet domains owned by the military. The bid was awarded the day Joe Biden was inaugurated president. The massive cyberspace will allow Joffe’s firm to set up dedicated digital infrastructure, including servers and software, to comb through private Internet traffic for the purported purpose of monitoring suspicious activity.

Joffe’s company also sells wiretapping equipment that allows federal authorities to spy on private web-browsing through fake Internet security certificates, instead of real ones that websites employ to verify secure connections. Once installed, Packet's device lets agents see an individual's online transactions without obtaining a warrant.

I am not even shocked by any of this anymore. Joffe is stealing transactional data by spoofing legitimate certified websites and gathering all that info without a warrant.

Over the past decade, Packet Forensics has landed almost $40 million in federal contracts, according to publicly disclosed contract information. Joffe’s firm counts the FBI and the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA, among its customers. The contracts generally involve cybersecurity. Joffe monitors the computers of government officials for threats, including as it turns out, even investigators in the office of Justice Department watchdog Michael Horowitz, recent court filings reveal.

Does this corruption never end?

State incorporation records show that Joffe has created more than two dozen startups across 20 states, some of which have no employees, revenue or even offices.  

'Friends in High Places'

Joffe’s second-act success in government seems rooted in a simple fact: “He has friends in high places,” proferred a career Justice Department official. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, pointed out that Joffe personally advised President Obama on cybersecurity and other issues, and was also close to former FBI Director James Comey.

Secret Service entrance logs reveal Joffe visited the White House several times during the Obama administration. And in 2013, Comey gave Joffe an award recognizing his work helping agents investigate a cybersecurity case. Sources told RCI that Joffe has also worked as an FBI informant on various cybersecurity cases opened by the bureau over roughly the past 15 years.

Sussmann’s attorneys have pointed to that acclaim to explain why Sussmann trusted the findings from Joffe he shared with the FBI. “Far from being a stranger to the FBI, [Joffe] was someone with whom the FBI had a long-standing professional relationship of trust and who was one of the world’s leading experts regarding the kinds of information that Mr. Sussmann provided to the FBI,” Sussmann’s lead defense lawyer Sean Berkowitz of Latham & Watkins said in a court filing last year.

A recent court paper filed by Durham in the Sussmann case suggests he may be looking into Joffe’s relationship with the FBI. The document, which discloses information to Sussmann’s lawyers as part of the discovery process, reveals that a criminal grand jury in D.C. has obtained “approximately 226 emails from within the FBI’s holding involving a company founded by [Joffe].” Durham does not identify the company, but sources told RCI it is Packet Forensics. The 226 emails were generated in 2016 alone. All told, the FBI has a total of approximately 17,000 emails that reference Joffe’s company – and those are just from a search of the bureau’s unclassified files.

Durham said that his investigators are “also conducting other searches and communicating with other government agencies regarding [Joffe’s] companies.”

The 67-year-old Joffe is commonly described as an award-winning and highly respected computer expert. But colleagues say he is more of an operator.

Graham said he’s “a quite average” computer programmer and network analyst. “He’s more of an executive than an operations guy.”

In a 2015 promotional video by Neustar, Joffe disclosed that his real gift is recruiting other experts, making phone calls to people in high places, and providing the resources needed for projects.

"I’m not the smart guy in the room. I’m really the dumb guy that carries the bags – but fortunately in those bags, I have a lot of money," Joffe said with a grin. "So my role has really been carrying the bags of money to help whenever I can when folks in the [cyber-security] community want things. I’m really happy to be able to do that kind of thing."

"So those are the things I really do,” he added. "I’m not really good at actually understanding spam and finding that. I’m not any of those things. I couldn’t have an intelligent conversation about the techniques and methods used.”

IOW, he's just a paid party hack and lifetime liar, grifter, con-artist.

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Trump Really Was Spied On

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-really-was-spied-on-2016-clinton-campaign-john-durham-court-filing-11644878973?st=j38448y9gts7z59&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

As much as I dislike/HATE trump, I feel completely nauseous at all this. Back in 1972, Nixon won by a landlside. Yet, his craziness made him okay illegal activities with Dem Offices at Watergate. You have to ask WTH was he doing? He was winning the election by a wide margin over McGovern and everyone knew it.  So why take the risk to do anything at Watergate? HRC by all accounts was in a similar situation. She was running against the absolute worst nominee ever in American politics. What did she think she needed to gain by launching all these dirty trick black-ops? Now, some of this is finally coming to the surface and it does not look good. Can anyone in DC tell the truth? Just how corrupt/sold out is the FBI?

Special Counsel John Durham continues to unravel the Trump-Russia “collusion” story, and his latest court disclosure contains startling information. According to a Friday court filing, the 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign effort to compile dirt on Donald Trump reached into protected White House communications.

The filing relates to Mr. Durham’s September indictment of Michael Sussmann, a lawyer who represented the Clinton campaign while he worked for the Perkins Coie law firm. Mr. Sussmann is accused of lying to the FBI at a September 2016 meeting when he presented documents claiming to show secret internet communications between the Trump Organization and Russia-based Alfa Bank. The indictment says Mr. Sussmann falsely told the FBI he was presenting this information solely as a good citizen—failing to disclose his ties to the Clinton campaign. (He has pleaded not guilty.)

MUCH MORE....

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@DKW 86Wow, thanks for the research. 

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On 2/16/2022 at 8:56 AM, I_M4_AU said:

Mueller didn’t charge him with obstruction, he took the coward’s way out and left it open.  The Dems went full speed ahead with the impeachment based on Mueller not charging him with obstruction.

Trump is far from a victim and I hold no love for him personally, but I do admire his tenacity and miss it with what we have in the White House now.

To the bolded part; how can he pardon his co-conspirators if Mueller found that Trump and his campaign DID NOT conspire with the Russians?

TRUMP'S IMPEACHMENT WAS NOT ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT.

ARTICLE 1: ABUSE OF POWER

The Constitution provides that the House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" and that the President "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors". In his conduct of the office of President of the United States — and in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed — Donald J. Trump has abused the powers of the Presidency, in that:

 

Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage. President Trump also sought to pressure the Government of Ukraine to take these steps by conditioning official United States Government acts of significant value to Ukraine on its public announcement of the investigations. President Trump engaged in this scheme or course of conduct for corrupt purposes in pursuit of personal political benefit. In so doing, President Trump used the powers of the Presidency in a manner that compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process. He thus ignored and injured the interests of the Nation.

 

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@AU9377thanks for the correction, I miss remembered.

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1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

@AU9377thanks for the correction, I miss remembered.

It happens to all of us.

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On 2/16/2022 at 9:54 AM, DKW 86 said:

And this is what you get when you just toss your brain and insert the party narrative. Did the RUSSIANS!!! help trump? , Really, just this side of nothing. Very little. Even FB stated that the total effort amounted to about $1.3M. HRC outspent trump by $500M. The Russian efforts were so small you had to use a microscope. And no matter how much you think your opinion matters, the HISTORY on this is being revealed by Durham. Mueller gave us 450 pages of "Really nothing to see here."

Durham is apparently giving us hundreds of pages of real conspiracy level stuff that was not backed at any time by any real facts. The silence of the media in this speaks droves.

I think the Durham probe will prove that the DNC and Hillary were behind a smear campaign but until this goes to court I can't honestly say that Durham has 100's of pages of real conspiracy level stuff as I haven't seen it nobody on this board has. It is like Adam Schiff swearing there was an absolute smoking gun with proof beyond a shadow of the doubt that all the media ate up. I am still waiting for Schiff to provide the smoking gun. 

One thing Durham is doing is be very methodic using grand jury and putting together a case. Sussman multiple times said he was not working for DNC or Hillary but is billing records show that he was. If that proves to be true it proves he lied  but even that doesn't prove a grand conspiracy.

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4 hours ago, AU9377 said:

TRUMP'S IMPEACHMENT WAS NOT ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT.

ARTICLE 1: ABUSE OF POWER

The Constitution provides that the House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" and that the President "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors". In his conduct of the office of President of the United States — and in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed — Donald J. Trump has abused the powers of the Presidency, in that:

 

Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage. President Trump also sought to pressure the Government of Ukraine to take these steps by conditioning official United States Government acts of significant value to Ukraine on its public announcement of the investigations. President Trump engaged in this scheme or course of conduct for corrupt purposes in pursuit of personal political benefit. In so doing, President Trump used the powers of the Presidency in a manner that compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process. He thus ignored and injured the interests of the Nation.

 

That was the second impeachment

 

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53 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

That was the second impeachment

 

Since Joe Biden as Vice President had already interfered with the Ukrainian Government where he openly stated that they had to get rid of the prosecutor who was investigating the company his son was involved in then he was trying to right a wrong. The phone call that was made and that was made available to us had no quid pro quo saying if you do this I will give you this or the other way if you don't do this I will take this away. So there really was no reason other than conjecture that he meant something that he didn't say. That should never ne enough to impeach a President.  Biden actually threatened what US would do if that prosecutor was not removed. He did it publicly so that was much more of a smoking gun and still has not been investigated. 

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On 2/14/2022 at 1:59 PM, pensacolatiger said:

Another topic the left will have to reconsider their position on……

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dni-ratcliffe-durham-intelligence-indictments-fbi-trump-russia-probe

 

you mean she was bad because she was investigating the dude that wanted to lock her up? the same guy that flushed super sensitive docs down the toilet? you should try again. trump is not being investigated enough. and altho i am not a huge fan of the clintons tho i was back in the day

 

On 2/15/2022 at 10:56 AM, DKW 86 said:

If somebody put a bullet in djt, I would not mind. Him taking the Classified Docs is unforgiveable.

ol don flushing docs down the toilet as well according to rolling stone. let me tell you if anyone else had done that that was just an ordinary joe would be under the jail right now with little hope of ever getting out. and anyone that was ever in the military and dealt with classified docs knows this. i bet it is easy to google just how much trouble a person could get into. i was stationed at the pentagon and had a top secret security clearance. they told us often what would happen and they did not care if it was an accident. i doubt it has changed......

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8 hours ago, AU9377 said:

TRUMP'S IMPEACHMENT WAS NOT ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT.

Correct. It was political theater.

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4 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

ol don flushing docs down the toilet as well according to rolling stone. let me tell you if anyone else had done that that was just an ordinary joe would be under the jail right now with little hope of ever getting out. and anyone that was ever in the military and dealt with classified docs knows this. i bet it is easy to google just how much trouble a person could get into. i was stationed at the pentagon and had a top secret security clearance. they told us often what would happen and they did not care if it was an accident. i doubt it has changed......

Sandy Berger says hi. He stole them right out of the National Archives. Basically got community service.

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Look at this bs from the New York Times journalist who's been spinning the Durham filing:

The narrative from the New York Times about the DNS data for the EOP(Executive Office of the President) dating back to 2014 as being proof that Joffe and Sussman were doing things related to national security doesn't hold up under scrutiny. If all the DNS data pulled was strictly from the EOS dating back to 2014 that argument might hold up. 

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Friday’s motion then, for the first time, revealed that the Internet data Joffe and his associates exploited “was domain name system (‘DNS’) Internet traffic pertaining to (i) a particular healthcare provider, (ii) Trump Tower, (iii) Donald Trump’s Central Park West apartment building, and (iv) the Executive Office of the President of the United States.”

https://thefederalist.com/2022/02/14/special-counsel-democrats-framed-and-spied-on-trump-while-he-was-president/

The NYT is misleading their readers because they conveniently ignore the other DNS data that Durham specifically cited. 

Joffe and his group also exploited DNS data from Trump Tower and Trump's apartment building.

Was Obama staying in Trump Tower? No?

Well then why was Joffe and his group specifically mining data from Trump Tower or Trump's apartment building?

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9 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Sandy Berger says hi. He stole them right out of the National Archives. Basically got community service.

i was told of a guy that worked in the pentagon office where i worked for a while and he mishandled some and went to prison for it. i actually worked in a crisis center and we had an intelligence office and i had to be escorted when i was in there and i had a top secret security clearance. i found out later there are clearances way above top secret. anyway it was exciting because we were involved with most crisis around the globe because we were a branch of the chief of naval operations. but basically all i did was distribute some messages and make a ton of coffee. we were big. we had marine guards and we had a special badge to get inside. but that was so long ago back then they had buses, cabs, and personal vehicles that could drive under the pentagon.

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23 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

i was told of a guy that worked in the pentagon office where i worked for a while and he mishandled some and went to prison for it. i actually worked in a crisis center and we had an intelligence office and i had to be escorted when i was in there and i had a top secret security clearance. i found out later there are clearances way above top secret. anyway it was exciting because we were involved with most crisis around the globe because we were a branch of the chief of naval operations. but basically all i did was distribute some messages and make a ton of coffee. we were big. we had marine guards and we had a special badge to get inside. but that was so long ago back then they had buses, cabs, and personal vehicles that could drive under the pentagon.

I was Document Control in the Nuclear Navy, nothing but Classified matl. There were enlisteds going to prison over next to nothing. The amount of classified stuff on the HRC Email Server and the Weiner laptop would have gotten us a one way ticket to Leavenworth. 

Edited February 18, 2022 by DKW 86

[aubiefifty 17,100]

9 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

I was Document Control in the Nuclear Navy, nothing but Classified matl. There were enlisted going to prison over next to nothing. The amount of classified stuff on the HRC Email Server and the Weiner laptop would have gotten us a one way ticket to Leavenworth. 

so you were a bubble head! i lost a friend to covid who was a bubble head. he was a tuscaloosa and campus cops at different times. super christian and he refused the vax and his whole family got sick. it killed him dead. and he was healthy. i was a radioman third class and never set foot on a ship. boot, A school, and the pentagon.  did you ever hear of cno op64? that was the chief of naval operations and our crisis center was directly attached to him.

Edited February 18, 2022 by aubiefifty

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2 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

so you were a bubble head! i lost a friend to covid who was a bubble head. he was a tuscaloosa and campus cops at different times. super christian and he refused the vax and his whole family got sick. it killed him dead. and he was healthy. i was a radioman third class and never set foot on a ship. boot, a school, and the pentagon.

SSN 588, SSBN631. I was picked up for NROTC out of Nuke School. My dad went terminally ill later on and ended my career. Went back to USN after he passed and they offered me Supply Corp. I was a lifer dog. My Dad was a 20+ year Av MM E7. I could not see being in Supply Corp for the rest of my career.

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Just now, DKW 86 said:

SSN 588, SSBN631. I was picked up for NROTC out of Nuke School. My dad went terminally ill later on and ended my career. Went back to USN after he passed and they offered me Supply Corp. I was a lifer dog. My Dad was a 20+ year Av MM E7. I could not see being in Supply Corp for the rest of my career.

i left after four years because i found out in the military if some idiot did not lie you they could make your life a living hell. i got out and got my GED and then went to jr college. i joined at the time nam was winding down and i am still shocked how people treated us back then. i was never spit on but it was still alarming. hell the military circled the wagons and we took care of our own. and they mostly took care of me lol.

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Durham wrote. But, he added later, “[i]f third parties or members of the media have overstated, understated, or otherwise misinterpreted facts contained in the Government’s Motion, that does not in any way undermine the valid reasons for the Government’s inclusion of this information.”

 

Durham just causally throwing it out there that it's possible that media maybe, might have overexaggerated or misinterpreted the information or intent of his earlier filing.

 

Maybe...

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6 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

Durham wrote. But, he added later, “[i]f third parties or members of the media have overstated, understated, or otherwise misinterpreted facts contained in the Government’s Motion, that does not in any way undermine the valid reasons for the Government’s inclusion of this information.”

 

Durham just causally throwing it out there that it's possible that media maybe, might have overexaggerated or misinterpreted the information or intent of his earlier filing.

 

Maybe...

Or Understated, maybe...

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On 2/16/2022 at 6:36 PM, Auburnfan91 said:

Here's a god run down about Durham's latest filing:

Special Counsel: Democrats Framed And Spied On Trump While He Was President

By: Margot Cleveland

February 14, 2022

10 min read

 

Enemies of Donald Trump surveilled the internet traffic at Trump Tower, at his New York City apartment building, and later at the executive office of the president of the United States, then fed disinformation about that traffic to intelligence agencies hoping to frame Trump as a Russia-connected stooge.

A tangential filing on Friday in the criminal case against former Hillary Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann revealed these new details uncovered by Special Counsel John Durham’s investigation. The revelation came in the middle of a 13-page motion Durham’s prosecutors filed in the criminal case against Sussmann. The special counsel’s office charged Sussmann in September 2021, in a one-count indictment of lying to James Baker during a meeting Sussmann had with the then-FBI general counsel in the weeks leading up to the 2016 election.

During Sussmann’s September 19, 2016 meeting with Baker, Sussmann allegedly provided the FBI general counsel information that purported to show the existence of a secret communication channel between the Trump organization and the Russian Alfa Bank. The indictment charged that Sussmann told Baker during that meeting that he was not working on behalf of any client, when, according to the indictment, Sussmann was actually acting on behalf of “a U.S. technology industry executive at a U.S. Internet company”—later identified as Rodney Joffe—and “the Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign.”

While the special counsel’s indictment of the Clinton campaign lawyer was, by itself, huge news, the details Durham sprinkled throughout the 27 pages of the talking indictment suggest even more bombshells are to come. Those allegations suggested “a scandal much deeper than merely Sussmann’s role in a second Russian hoax — a scandal that entangles the Clinton campaign, multiple internet companies, two federally-funded university researchers, and a complicit media.”

The Details Are Starting to Come Out

The talking indictment filed against Sussmann soon proved to be the first of many “talking” legal documents Durham’s team filed with the court. A little more than a month after charging Sussman, Durham filed a response to Sussmann’s “Motion for a Bill of Particulars”—a motion that asked the court to order Durham to provide more details about his alleged crime. That response revealed more details about Durham’s investigation.

A “discovery update” filed in late January added even more texture to the charge against Sussmann and the broader investigation. Durham exposed even more intrigue in the “clarification” to the discovery update he filed a few days later. In Friday’s motion, formally a “Motion to Inquire into Potential Conflicts of Interest,” Durham continued providing the public an update on select portions of the special counsel’s probe.

The special counsel’s office opened the motion by explaining that it believes Sussmann’s current counsel of Latham and Watkins, LLP may have potential conflicts of interests that could affect its representation of Sussmann. Those “potential conflicts likely could be addressed with a knowing and voluntary waiver by the defendant upon consultation with conflict-free counsel,” Durham’s team explained. But such a waiver, Durham requested, should be made “on the record” before trial.

Obtaining an on-the-record waiver by Sussmann of any such conflict of interest would limit Sussmann’s ability to later challenge any conviction, whether following a plea agreement or a jury verdict. The court will likely grant that motion to ensure both that any waiver of the conflict is knowing and voluntary and to ensure Sussmann cannot later attempt to overturn any conviction based on the conflict.

It is what followed in the next 12 pages, however, and not the mundane minutia of this motion, that proved explosive. In explaining the potential conflicts-of-interests Sussmann’s Lathan and Watkins attorneys possibly had, Durham explained much more of the get-Trump plot.

Yes, They Spied on Trump

To explain the potential conflicts, Durham began with the charge, noting as “factual background” that Sussmann, while serving as counsel to the Clinton campaign, met with FBI General Counsel Baker at FBI headquarters and provided Baker “purported data and ‘white papers’ that allegedly demonstrated a covert communications channel between the Trump Organization and a Russian-based bank.”

The motion then reiterated the indictment’s allegations that, beginning in approximately July 2016, Joffe worked with Sussmann, the opposition research firm Fusion GPS, and “numerous cyber researchers, and employees at multiple Internet companies to assemble the purported data and white papers.” “In connection with these efforts,” the motion continued, Joffe “exploited his access to non-public and/or proprietary Internet data.”

Joffe would then “task” researchers at Georgia Tech “to mine Internet data to establish ‘an inference’ and ‘narrative’ tying then-candidate Trump to Russia,” the motion read, with Joffe indicating “that he was seeking to please certain ‘VIPs,’ referring to individuals with the Clinton Campaign and Sussmann’s law firm at the time, Perkins Coie.”

Friday’s motion then, for the first time, revealed that the Internet data Joffe and his associates exploited “was domain name system (‘DNS’) Internet traffic pertaining to (i) a particular healthcare provider, (ii) Trump Tower, (iii) Donald Trump’s Central Park West apartment building, and (iv) the Executive Office of the President of the United States.”

The motion further stressed that Joffe’s internet company “had come to access and maintain dedicated servers for the EOP as part of a sensitive arrangement whereby it provided DNS resolution services to the EOP.” Joffe and his associates, the motion claimed, “exploited this arrangement by mining the EOP’s DNS traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump.”

According to the motion, Joffe did more than have his associates mine internet traffic at Trump Tower, Trump’s residential apartment building, and the executive office of the president of the United States—he gave that data to Sussmann, who provided it to the CIA during a February 9, 2017 meeting. During that meeting, Sussmann gave the CIA “data which he claimed reflected purportedly suspicious DNS lookups by Trump Tower, Trump’s residential apartment building, the EOP, and a healthcare provider, of internet protocol or IP addresses affiliated with a Russian mobile phone provided.”

According to Friday’s motion, Sussmann told the CIA during this meeting “that these lookups demonstrated that Trump and/or his associates were using supposedly rare, Russian-made wireless phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations.”

Not only was there “no support for these allegations,” the motion explained, but the special counsel’s office obtained “more complete DNS data” from the company that assisted Joffe. It discovered that Joffe and his associates had gathered data showing that between 2014 and 2017 there were more than 3 million lookups of the Russian phone-provider’s IP address, but fewer than 1,000 originated with IPS addresses affiliated with Trump Tower.

Additionally, the data assembled by Joffe and his associates showed the DNS look-ups involving the EOP and the Russian cellphone provider “began at least as earlier as 2014 i.e., during the Obama administration and years before Trump took office.”

The data Sussmann shared with the CIA, however, omitted both these details. Sussmann also allegedly told the CIA he was not acting on behalf of any client when, according to Durham, Sussmann was, in fact, working for Joffe.

This Means Joffe Knew Sussman Was Lying to the CIA

This revelation is huge. It means Joffe had data that disproved the very theory Sussman peddled to the CIA about Trump or his associates “using supposedly rare, Russian-made wireless phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations.” Further, the CIA received only the misleading data and not the full analysis Joffe had commissioned.

Two added details confirm the significance of this revelation. First, shortly after news of the Sussmann indictment broke and while the press remained hyper-focused on the Alfa Bank angle, The New York Times gave Sussmann’s team an assist in getting ahead of the news by causally reporting about the targeting of Trump with DNS look-ups.

“The Alfa Bank suspicions were only half of what the researchers sought to bring to the government’s attention, according to several people familiar with the matter,” Charlie Savage and Adam Goldman reported for the Times in a September 30, 2021 article.

“Their other set of concerns centered on data suggesting that a YotaPhone — a Russian-made smartphone rarely seen in the United States — had been used from networks serving the White House, Trump Tower and Spectrum Health, a Michigan hospital company whose server had also interacted with the Trump server,” according to the Times article headlined “Trump Server Mystery Produces Fresh Conflict.” That article continued:

Mr. Sussmann relayed their YotaPhone findings to counterintelligence officials at the C.I.A. in February 2017, the people said. It is not clear whether the government ever investigated them.

The involvement of the researchers traces back to the spring of 2016. DARPA, the Pentagon’s research funding agency, wanted to commission data scientists to develop the use of so-called DNS logs, records of when servers have prepared to communicate with other servers over the internet, as a tool for hacking investigations.

DARPA identified Georgia Tech as a potential recipient of funding and encouraged researchers there to develop examples. Mr. Antonakakis and Mr. Dagon reached out to Mr. Joffe to gain access to Neustar’s repository of DNS logs, people familiar with the matter said, and began sifting them.

That “people familiar with the matter” would provide these details to the Times months before this angle of the investigation became public shows they knew it was huge and wanted the left-friendly press to frame this as a legitimate national-security issue, as opposed to the targeting of Trump.

‘Biggest Threat to American Democracy’

The second confirmation of the significance of Friday’s revelation comes from the response by those in the know, such as John Ratcliffe, who served as Trump’s director of national intelligence.

Within hours of #Durham trending on Twitter, Ratcliffe seemed to confirm the importance of these revelations, tweeting: “And now you’re finding out why. . .” along with a link to an article revealing Ratcliffe had directed the DNI to provide nearly 1,000 pages of material to the Department of Justice in response to a request by Durham for relevant documents. Ratcliffe further stated at the time that he believed those documents could support additional charges in the criminal probe into the Russian investigation.

Richard Grenell, who served as acting director of national intelligence for Trump, chimed in, noting that “some Democrats knew” Joffe was monitoring Trump’s internet traffic while he was president.

Mark Meadows, a former congressman who also served as chief of staff for Trump, soon joined the fray, tweeting out, “They didn’t just spy on Donald Trump’s campaign. They spied on Donald Trump as sitting President of the United States. It was all even worse than we thought.”

Kash Patel, who served as lead investigator for then-House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, added that the motion “shows that the Hillary Clinton campaign directly funded and ordered its lawyers at Perkins Coie to orchestrate a criminal enterprise to fabricate a connection between President Trump and Russia.”

Nunes concurred, telling The Federalist on Sunday, “There was no limit to the brazenness and vindictiveness of the Democrats’ illegal spying operation.” “In all my years as a member, ranking member, and chairman of the House Intelligence Committee,” Nunes added, “this is the single biggest threat to American democracy I’ve ever seen.”

By day’s end on Friday, Trump joined the fray, issuing a statement declaring “the latest pleading from Special Counsel Robert Durham provides indisputable evidence that my campaign and presidency were spied on by operatives paid by the Hillary Clinton Campaign in an effort to develop a completely fabricated connection to Russia.” “This is a scandal far greater in scope and magnitude than Watergate,” Trump continued, adding that “those who were involved in and knew about this spying operation should be subject to criminal prosecution.”

 

https://thefederalist.com/2022/02/14/special-counsel-democrats-framed-and-spied-on-trump-while-he-was-president/

Sadly, the Durham Probe appears to have run it's course.

Looks like the Federalist, Nunes, Patel, Meadows and 91 were right on target. 

Total vindication for Trump.  Very impressive.

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The man is still getting paid.  Sad.  Millions wasted and no criminal conduct found.

[CoffeeTiger 5,227]

28 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

The man is still getting paid.  Sad.  Millions wasted and no criminal conduct found.

 

Hey, There was that FBI employee who lied about altering a few words in an email one time that Durham got a conviction on. 

If that's not complete vindication for Trump then I don't know what would be.