Threats to Democracy

[TexasTiger 12,950]

I’m in that lonely 7%. Guess that’s how I found myself most aligned with never Trump Republicans— we largely share the highest priority for this moment in our history. Our differences are less critical. Increasingly, this lack of priority and interest seems to be what will cripple or more quickly end our American experiment.

New York Times: “Seventy-one percent of all voters believe that democracy is at risk, according to a recent New York Times/Siena College poll, but only 7 percent identified that as the most important problem facing the country. Americans face more immediate concerns: the worst inflation in 40 years, the loss of federal abortion rights after 50 years and a perception that crime is surging, if not in their communities then in cities nearby.”

“But another factor is dampening people’s motivation to save America’s representative system of government: Some have already lost faith in its ability to represent them.”

[I_M4_AU 7,857]

32 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

I’m in that lonely 7%. Guess that’s how I found myself most aligned with never Trump Republicans— we largely share the highest priority for this moment in our history. Our differences are less critical. Increasingly, this lack of priority and interest seems to be what will cripple or more quickly end our American experiment.

New York Times: “Seventy-one percent of all voters believe that democracy is at risk, according to a recent New York Times/Siena College poll, but only 7 percent identified that as the most important problem facing the country. Americans face more immediate concerns: the worst inflation in 40 years, the loss of federal abortion rights after 50 years and a perception that crime is surging, if not in their communities then in cities nearby.”

“But another factor is dampening people’s motivation to save America’s representative system of government: Some have already lost faith in its ability to represent them.”

I think you are missing what these numbers are saying.  64% of the ones polled are more worried about inflation, aborting babies on demand up to birth, crime surging and mutilating our children which, in fact, threaten democracy.  If Joe is not stopped he will continue to destroy American democracy, so the figures are correct, it just doesn’t align with the Jan 6th, commission’s narrative.

This is why the midterms are so important, just not the way you have envisioned them to work out.

[TexasTiger 12,950]

6 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

I think you are missing what these numbers are saying.  64% of the ones polled are more worried about inflation, aborting babies on demand up to birth, crime surging and mutilating our children which, in fact, threaten democracy.  If Joe is not stopped he will continue to destroy American democracy, so the figures are correct, it just doesn’t align with the Jan 6th, commission’s narrative.

This is why the midterms are so important, just not the way you have envisioned them to work out.

Not missing a thing, chief.

[I_M4_AU 7,857]

1 hour ago, TexasTiger said:

Not missing a thing, chief.

I see you are of the same mindset as Joy Behar.

 

I hope you fine a cure for your depression.

[TexasTiger 12,950]

1 minute ago, I_M4_AU said:

I see you are of the same mindset as Joy Behar.

 

I hope you fine a cure for your depression.

Your warmth and sincerity are touching.

[icanthearyou 4,463]

2 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

64% of the ones polled are more worried about inflation, aborting babies on demand up to birth, crime surging and mutilating our children which, in fact, threaten democracy.  If Joe is not stopped he wil

This is a very important statement.   It is how many see the current state of our country.

Inflation is obviously much more complicated than partisan politics can explain yet, many people accept without question that it is solely the fault of the president.  Irrational but, effective.

Abortion up until birth is an absolute lie.  Still, it is believed by many and, a highly effective political narrative.

Mutilating children is another lie.  Yet, believed by many and, cultivated as a fear/anger motivation for voting.

Crime is more interesting.  One party believes the remedy to crime is simply punishment.  And, there is the promoted violence of a gun culture.  The other party believes structural reforms that lead to greater equality and opportunity are a more humane and cost effective way to reduce crime.   

 

The problems within our society are largely about fact that the capital and, political classes have all of the power.  It can be argued that the political class is in fact owned by the capital class.  It has led to historical and, immoral inequality.  We do not understand the very nature of power and politics.  Too many of us continue to believe propaganda rather than accept that the very nature of government is a socialistic endeavor and, that politics at it's very core is civilized class warfare.

We cannot solve our problems because we are divided by lies, ignorance, greed.  And now,,, this division is even in the Church.

Propaganda is mightier than principles and knowledge.  Democracy is dead, the government of the people is lost.  People are understandably angry.  They just do not have the ability to understand or, the desire to learn.

Our problems are foundational, not cultural.  We are not yet ready to address the real reforms needed to restore democracy.

[I_M4_AU 7,857]

1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

his is a very important statement.   It is how many see the current state of our country.

Perception is reality in the voter’s mind.

 

1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

Inflation is obviously much more complicated than partisan politics can explain yet, many people accept without question that it is solely the fault of the president.  Irrational but, effective.

James Carville, the long time Democratic operative, coined the phrase *its the economy, stupid*.  Blame him.   Its not who got nuts into this inflation, its who is best to get us out.

1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

Abortion up until birth is an absolute lie

https://lozierinstitute.org/six-states-and-their-radical-approaches-to-abortion-law/

You can peruse this at your leisure, but New York is one that has decriminalized abortions after 24 week.  It is no longer a crime to abort a kill an unborn child after 24 weeks by anybody, Dr or not.  

1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

Mutilating children is another lie

I have proven to you that this happens a Vanderbilt Medical has suspended the practice they say have been practiced on minors at least 5 times a year since 2018, yet you can’t bring yourself to believe it as it is so evil.

 

1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

Crime is more interesting.  One party believes the remedy to crime is simply punishment.  And, there is the promoted violence of a gun culture.  The other party believes structural reforms that lead to greater equality and opportunity are a more humane and cost effective way to reduce crime

Yes, there are two different solutions.  How does one bridge the gap?  Turn loose a third of the prison population with no constraints?  We’ve been trying to solve the *equality and opportunity* thing for decades; when do you think it will kick in?

 

1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

Democracy is dead, the government of the people is lost.

It will be if Biden is not stopped for the next two years.

[BizTiger 242]

After January 6th, I just personally prayed for myself and family to be ok once the American Experiment officially ends. There's no turning back now. 

[I_M4_AU 7,857]

6 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

Mutilating children is another lie.  Yet, believed by many and, cultivated as a fear/anger motivation for voting.

Here is a biological man in woman face asking the President if gender affirming care should be banned by states.  The one in woman face doesn’t ask if it should be banned for minors, which is the only ban states have enacted, and Biden toes the company line.

 

 

[icanthearyou 4,463]

5 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Here is a biological man in woman face asking the President if gender affirming care should be banned by states.  The one in woman face doesn’t ask if it should be banned for minors, which is the only ban states have enacted, and Biden toes the company line.

 

 

Your post is a great example of a lie from the RNC.  That is not the question he was asked.

This is not a national political issue.  This is purely fear mongering. 

Your party needs to learn to be truthful.  Their lies are doing great damage.

[I_M4_AU 7,857]

12 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

Your post is a great example of a lie from the RNC.  That is not the question he was asked.

This is not a national political issue.  This is purely fear mongering. 

Your party needs to learn to be truthful.  Their lies are doing great damage.

It wasn’t the questioned asked, but as I stated in my post, the states are not banning gender affirming care.  They are banning gender affirming care for minors.  The question was incomplete and gave the impression states are banning gender affirming care WHICH IS A LIE.

The Dems are disingenuous.

[icanthearyou 4,463]

2 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

It wasn’t the questioned asked, but as I stated in my post, the states are not banning gender affirming care.  They are banning gender affirming care for minors.  The question was incomplete and gave the impression states are banning gender affirming care WHICH IS A LIE.

The Dems are disingenuous.

So,,, naturally the response to someone being disingenuous is an outright lie.  I see.  Thank you.

[SaltyTiger 7,816]

On 10/23/2022 at 9:38 AM, TexasTiger said:

Some have already lost faith in its ability to represent them.”

Which happened years ago……thus enter Trump and rest of the story.

[TexasTiger 12,950]

31 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Which happened years ago……thus enter Trump and rest of the story.

“And the big Orange superhero restored the American people’s faith in government and they lived happily ever after.” 

[SaltyTiger 7,816]

12 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

“And the big Orange superhero restored the American people’s faith in government and they lived happily ever after.” 

You know better.

[TexasTiger 12,950]

9 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

You know better.

Thought you did, too. 

[SaltyTiger 7,816]

3 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Thought you did, too. 

I do

[PUB78 1,358]

On 10/23/2022 at 10:25 AM, TexasTiger said:

Not missing a thing, chief.

 

[pensacolatiger 313]

On 10/23/2022 at 9:38 AM, TexasTiger said:

I’m in that lonely 7%. Guess that’s how I found myself most aligned with never Trump Republicans— we largely share the highest priority for this moment in our history. Our differences are less critical. Increasingly, this lack of priority and interest seems to be what will cripple or more quickly end our American experiment.

New York Times: “Seventy-one percent of all voters believe that democracy is at risk, according to a recent New York Times/Siena College poll, but only 7 percent identified that as the most important problem facing the country. Americans face more immediate concerns: the worst inflation in 40 years, the loss of federal abortion rights after 50 years and a perception that crime is surging, if not in their communities then in cities nearby.”

“But another factor is dampening people’s motivation to save America’s representative system of government: Some have already lost faith in its ability to represent them.”

If Dem’s don’t have “muh democracy”, voters will look at what they actually accomplished in the last 2 years.

Which is ironic, because they want opposition silenced and a president that calls half the country terrorists.  But I guess they mean only some people get a say in this “democracy”

[TexasTiger 12,950]

On 10/27/2022 at 12:52 AM, PUB78 said:

 

From the dude who quadrupled the debt and started us on this road. Fiscally reckless as hell.

[TexasTiger 12,950]

4 minutes ago, pensacolatiger said:

If Dem’s don’t have “muh democracy”, voters will look at what they actually accomplished in the last 2 years.

Which is ironic, because they want opposition silenced and a president that calls half the country terrorists.  But I guess they mean only some people get a say in this “democracy”

You whine a lot.

[arein0 967]

2 hours ago, pensacolatiger said:

Which is ironic, because they want opposition silenced and a president that calls half the country terrorists.

Pretty sure he only called the MAGA crowd (which is not half the country, just the radical right) terrorists. I wouldn't say he is wrong either, storming the Capitol, trying to overthrow the election, calling in fake bomb threats to children's hospitals, beating an opponent's spouse with a hammer.

[SLAG-91 1,483]

That issue 7% think is most important (democracy being at risk, according to the article) is an abstraction, and one that feels too big for any one person to impact. I try not to waste too much mental energy on things that are outside of my locus of control.

Additionally, I imagine many think that the precipitating act for "democracy being at risk" even being on the menu of options was a one-off, and not likely to be repeated. 

Inflation, crime, etc. are much more tangible and hit much closer to home. It's like Maslow's hierarchy...if you're struggling to make ends meet, none of the higher ideals are going to seem as important. Making rent/mortgage payments, buying food and gas, that's going to take precedence, and that's 100% human nature. 

I'd be interested to see a breakdown of the demographics of the 7%, especially party affiliation.

[homersapien 11,388]

On 10/30/2022 at 8:23 AM, SLAG-91 said:

That issue 7% think is most important (democracy being at risk, according to the article) is an abstraction, and one that feels too big for any one person to impact. I try not to waste too much mental energy on things that are outside of my locus of control.

Additionally, I imagine many think that the precipitating act for "democracy being at risk" even being on the menu of options was a one-off, and not likely to be repeated. 

Inflation, crime, etc. are much more tangible and hit much closer to home. It's like Maslow's hierarchy...if you're struggling to make ends meet, none of the higher ideals are going to seem as important. Making rent/mortgage payments, buying food and gas, that's going to take precedence, and that's 100% human nature. 

I'd be interested to see a breakdown of the demographics of the 7%, an especially party affiliation.

An abstraction like AGW....... 

Until it isn't.

Not a criticism, you are right on with your analysis.  Hopefully, this trend toward will run out of steam. 

But I was listening to a historian the other day who studied (modern) authoritarian regimes.  He said it took about 10 years (on average) for them to seize power and then about 10 years to get rid of them.

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by homersapien

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On 10/23/2022 at 1:20 PM, icanthearyou said:

Abortion up until birth is an absolute lie.  Still, it is believed by many and, a highly effective political narrative.

 

Axios says that 6 States and the District of Columbia have no term restrictions on abortion, the Daily Wire says 8.  What were you saying is an "absolute lie" ?  Do you not research just a little bit before you post ?  In all seriousness, what do you read that makes you write such a silly comment ?

How late in pregnancy each state allows abortions (axios.com)

These 8 States Allow Abortion Up To The Moment Of Birth | The Daily Wire

Gubner Ralph Nawthum says it's okay to kill the little darlin', just so long as you make it comfortable: https://news.yahoo.com/northam-term-abortion-remarks-don-200921857.htmlA

Post-birth abortions do happen, even in States where the practice is illegal: Doctor Kermit Gosnell found guilty of murdering infants in late-term abortions | Fox News

The reason the accusation of legalized post-birth abortion in America is so effective is because it's TRUE.  What isn't true is your statement that the practice of post-birth abortion isn't permitted in America.