Another log on the Biden family fire

[DKW 86 7,431]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

When has Hunter made good sound decisions?  At the time, his father was in his second term as VP.  If I was guessing, I would guess that Hunter didn't worry about political fallout because he assumed that his father's political life would come to an end and that he would not run for President.  Again, it isn't a good look, but it isn't criminal behavior.  Hunter was thinking about Hunter. 

What exactly is holding him accountable?  You have to have a crime and be protected from prosecution for that scenario to be accurate.  Nobody has shown a crime that was committed.

and you think $50K/month for a no-show job he was totally unqualified for was what exactly?

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32 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

and you think $50K/month for a no-show job he was totally unqualified for was what exactly?

Some companies will pay a lot to have high profile connected people on board that they can show off. Most folks on corporate boards aren’t working too hard, if at all. Hunter’s resume included a JD from Yale, Vice chairman of Amtrak, counsel at a prestigious law firm, long-term work in investments. On paper, it wasn’t some slack resume.

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1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

I believe part of the reason Biden didn’t run in 2016 (if you’ll remember there was a discussion with Obama about him running) was the family business would be brought up and Biden wanted to cash in on his political power, so Hunter was given his head so to speak.  An enabling father didn’t think this would ever be a problem since he wasn’t running in 2016.

By 2020 Biden felt pretty secure that he could run without fear of an investigation when the FBI had the laptop for years and he was able to quash any FBI investigation into his dealings.  To bolster his secure feelings he had 51 security experts declare the laptop as *looking like Russian disinformation* just before the debate with Trump.  Unbelievable timing and I do mean unbelievable.

You can believe that, but you have to admit that the narrative is really just an opinion.  You are certainly entitled to that opinion. 

People forget that Biden had another son that was nothing like Hunter when it came to his personal or professional life.  The loss of that son weighed heavily on him.

[AU9377 4,979]

27 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

and you think $50K/month for a no-show job he was totally unqualified for was what exactly?

I'm certain that people at Bursima thought it was a good idea to have the son of the Vice President of the United States on their board.  That isn't just how things are done in many parts of the world.  That happens here in the U.S. as well.  Is there anyone that doesn't know that he held that position and got paid for nothing more than his name?  Without something concrete showing that Joe Biden influenced U.S. foreign policy in exchange for this, you have no crime and you have no abuse of power by the then Vice President.  Why is that so hard for some to understand?

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Just now, AU9377 said:

I'm certain that people at Bursima thought it was a good idea to have the son of the Vice President of the United States on their board.  That isn't just how things are done in many parts of the world.  That happens here in the U.S. as well.  Is there anyone that doesn't know that he held that position and got paid for nothing more than his name?  Without something concrete showing that Joe Biden influenced U.S. foreign policy in exchange for this, you have no crime and you have no abuse of power by the then Vice President.  Why is that so hard for some to understand?

They just want it sooo bad.

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2 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

And the FBI was doing what with the laptop prior to October of 2020? Nothing. That was why they released it. They would still be doing nothing with it if people weren't seeing it for what it was now. The FBI had plenty of time to vett the laptop prior to October 2020. They drug their feet or just plain didn't do it.

They have had it for how long now?  It obviously contains embarrassing things, but nothing to prove some grand conspiracy like some have been suggesting for years.

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2 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

And the FBI was doing what with the laptop prior to October of 2020? Nothing. That was why they released it. They would still be doing nothing with it if people weren't seeing it for what it was now. The FBI had plenty of time to vett the laptop prior to October 2020. They drug their feet or just plain didn't do it.

You do realize that the FBI is part of the DOJ?  Are you suggesting that Bill Barr simply didn't want to investigate?

[icanthearyou 4,463]

On 6/23/2023 at 7:54 PM, GoAU said:

Appreciate the honest response.   I think this, taken with the SAR reports for multiple members of the family, the position Hunter had in Burisma, and the work the VP Biden did influencing the government there seem to be trending to more than circumstantial evidence.  The fact that the laptop was denied, and then tried to be swept under the rug and forgotten leads me to believe this is much bigger than just one crackhead running around on his own leveraging his dads name without the "Big Guy" knowing.  

 

I'd just like to have the ruling elite held to the same standards as the rest of us.

Wouldn't you like to have some proof?

[AU9377 4,979]

4 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

They have had it for how long now?  It obviously contains embarrassing things, but nothing to prove some grand conspiracy like some have been suggesting for years.

They believe that if they repeat the allegations enough times that people will accept them as some proven fact.  When someone that needs real evidence can't find any, they discount the effort and return to the vague narratives.

[icanthearyou 4,463]

45 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

and you think $50K/month for a no-show job he was totally unqualified for was what exactly?

How can one be "unqualified" for a "no show" job?

I think you have to have some context, the context of Ukrainian politics.  Corruption, pro Russia versus pro western.  Then,,, you have to have the context universal to all politics.

[I_M4_AU 7,874]

1 hour ago, TexasTiger said:

The press. Don’t you think Trump’s DOJ would have uncovered Joe’s “crimes” if they existed? The Republican House? They both had/have subpoena power the press lacks. You so want this to be true, you’re sure it must be, facts aside.

For transparency sake, don’t you think the Biden DOJ would want to set the record straight instead of letting innuendoes abound?  What happened to this administration being the most transparent administration we have ever had?

If it is true, so be it, if not let’s see what he has to say.  The more he doesn’t say anything the more crap will be talked about.

[I_M4_AU 7,874]

55 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

You can believe that, but you have to admit that the narrative is really just an opinion.  You are certainly entitled to that opinion. 

People forget that Biden had another son that was nothing like Hunter when it came to his personal or professional life.  The loss of that son weighed heavily on him.

Yes it did weight heavily on him.  Did it weigh so much he overlooked his remaining son’s life to the point of enabling him?

As to the narrative; if it is set by your opposition it is sometimes not believed right off the bad.  The narrative that Covid was not transmitted by human to human contact was dispelled quickly; the narrative it couldn’t have leaked from Wuhan has taken a while.

Edited June 25, 2023 by I_M4_AU

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7 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

For transparency sake, don’t you think the Biden DOJ would want to set the record straight instead of letting innuendoes abound?  What happened to this administration being the most transparent administration we have ever had?

If it is true, so be it, if not let’s see what he has to say.  The more he doesn’t say anything the more crap will be talked about.

The AG went to the podium and stated that he had nothing to do with the investigation or charging decision of the U.S. Attorney in Delaware.  The U.S. Attorney that charged the case stated publicly that he was not influenced in any way by the AG or anyone at the DOJ.  What else can they do?  Should they be strapped down and water boarded until you get a different answer?

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10 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

For transparency sake, don’t you think the Biden DOJ would want to set the record straight instead of letting innuendoes abound?  What happened to this administration being the most transparent administration we have ever had?

If it is true, so be it, if not let’s see what he has to say.  The more he doesn’t say anything the more crap will be talked about.

There’s NOTHING Biden could do to stop the endless speculative BS despite ZERO evidence. How would he satisfy you?

[I_M4_AU 7,874]

5 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

The AG went to the podium and stated that he had nothing to do with the investigation or charging decision of the U.S. Attorney in Delaware.  The U.S. Attorney that charged the case stated publicly that he was not influenced in any way by the AG or anyone at the DOJ.  What else can they do?  Should they be strapped down and water boarded until you get a different answer?

The Republicans have contradicting testimony from a whistleblower.  Let him talk under oath.  I mean that is how it was done in the Trump Impeachment #1, right?  Why are you so afraid of the law being applied equally?

[I_M4_AU 7,874]

5 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

There’s NOTHING Biden could do to stop the endless speculative BS despite ZERO evidence. How would he satisfy you?

Could he just address it in a presser and let the press do their job?  How do you think that would go over?  It’s not that there’s nothing he can do, it’s the fact that he is doing NOTHING to dispel any rumor now for almost 3 years. 

[icanthearyou 4,463]

13 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

e narrative it couldn’t have leaked from Wuhan has taken a while

No.  That was always considered.  The origin, mutation or man made, intention,,, have been/are being investigated.

 

[TexasTiger 12,964]

16 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Could he just address it in a presser and let the press do their job?  How do you think that would go over?  It’s not that there’s nothing he can do, it’s the fact that he is doing NOTHING to dispel any rumor now for almost 3 years. 

Address what? Say what? What can he possibly say that will satisfy you, much less the folks intent on keeping speculation alive. Same thing with Obama supposedly born in Kenya— which there was zero evidence of— and his mom was an American citizen anyway. Mitt Romney & John McCain weren’t born here and didn’t have to endure that crap. Right wing media is a substance-free crap machine that will insist the Democrat is covered in crap no matter what they say or do.

[TexasTiger 12,964]

36 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

The AG went to the podium and stated that he had nothing to do with the investigation or charging decision of the U.S. Attorney in Delaware.  The U.S. Attorney that charged the case stated publicly that he was not influenced in any way by the AG or anyone at the DOJ.  What else can they do?  Should they be strapped down and water boarded until you get a different answer?

Yes! Water board the bastage till he breaks! 

[AU9377 4,979]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

The Republicans have contradicting testimony from a whistleblower.  Let him talk under oath.  I mean that is how it was done in the Trump Impeachment #1, right?  Why are you so afraid of the law being applied equally?

There was overwhelming evidence of a U.S. President abusing the power of his office for political gain. 

You mean Biden giving a presser dedicated to answering questions about something that he said never happened?  Why would he subject himself to being asked questions about his son and and pictures of him doing God knows what on an old laptop?

This is very much like saying "Mr President, can you prove that you never touched someone in an inappropriate manner?"  If he cannot prove that he didn't, you will then say that his failure to prove shows that he in fact did touch someone in that way.

This is not directed at you I-AM.. but for everyone.

Has anyone ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?  That is how frustrating it can be to attempt to reason with people that have their minds already made up.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/here-there-and-everywhere/201910/youre-really-not-smart-the-dunning-kruger-effect

Edited June 25, 2023 by AU9377

[LPTiger 5,167]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

The AG went to the podium and stated that he had nothing to do with the investigation or charging decision of the U.S. Attorney in Delaware.  The U.S. Attorney that charged the case stated publicly that he was not influenced in any way by the AG or anyone at the DOJ.  What else can they do?  Should they be strapped down and water boarded until you get a different answer?

There are several things that they can do re: obstruction of the investigation (1) put the Delaware AUSA under oath and ask her did you tell the whistleblower not to ask any questions about the "big guy" or "dad," (2) interview everyone else who was in the room and ask the same question re. crimes that were charged -- Weiss could only charge crimes that occurred in Delaware -- the other felonies occurred in Cali and DC (3) ask the DC USA did you refuse to charge HB and why (4) ask the Cali USA did you refuse to charge HB and why (5) put Garland under oath and ask if he refused to give Weiss special counsel status that would have allowed multistate charges (6) ask Garland why a highly decorated IRS agent and his team were taken off the case just weeks before charges are announced.      We saw some nut-jobs come out of the woodwork during Kavenaugh's confirmation hearings.   Maybe these two whistleblowers are the same.   But the fact that this guy served honorably for 20 plus years, got great job reviews, promotions, etc. risked his career to come forward -- sure lends some credibility to the allegation that HB received preferential treatment.

[AU9377 4,979]

23 minutes ago, LPTiger said:

There are several things that they can do re: obstruction of the investigation (1) put the Delaware AUSA under oath and ask her did you tell the whistleblower not to ask any questions about the "big guy" or "dad," (2) interview everyone else who was in the room and ask the same question re. crimes that were charged -- Weiss could only charge crimes that occurred in Delaware -- the other felonies occurred in Cali and DC (3) ask the DC USA did you refuse to charge HB and why (4) ask the Cali USA did you refuse to charge HB and why (5) put Garland under oath and ask if he refused to give Weiss special counsel status that would have allowed multistate charges (6) ask Garland why a highly decorated IRS agent and his team were taken off the case just weeks before charges are announced.      We saw some nut-jobs come out of the woodwork during Kavenaugh's confirmation hearings.   Maybe these two whistleblowers are the same.   But the fact that this guy served honorably for 20 plus years, got great job reviews, promotions, etc. risked his career to come forward -- sure lends some credibility to the allegation that HB received preferential treatment.

I have never heard of a U.S. Attorney being restricted on where to bring charges. Garland specifically stated that he could bring charges of any kind in any District.  The IRS agents were investigating tax charges.  He was charged with two counts.  Would two more counts make this any different of an outcome?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/merrick-garland-insists-david-weiss-had-complete-authority-to-charge-hunter-biden/ar-AA1cX6eM

Edited June 25, 2023 by AU9377

[TexasTiger 12,964]

48 minutes ago, LPTiger said:

There are several things that they can do re: obstruction of the investigation (1) put the Delaware AUSA under oath and ask her did you tell the whistleblower not to ask any questions about the "big guy" or "dad," (2) interview everyone else who was in the room and ask the same question re. crimes that were charged -- Weiss could only charge crimes that occurred in Delaware -- the other felonies occurred in Cali and DC (3) ask the DC USA did you refuse to charge HB and why (4) ask the Cali USA did you refuse to charge HB and why (5) put Garland under oath and ask if he refused to give Weiss special counsel status that would have allowed multistate charges (6) ask Garland why a highly decorated IRS agent and his team were taken off the case just weeks before charges are announced.      We saw some nut-jobs come out of the woodwork during Kavenaugh's confirmation hearings.   Maybe these two whistleblowers are the same.   But the fact that this guy served honorably for 20 plus years, got great job reviews, promotions, etc. risked his career to come forward -- sure lends some credibility to the allegation that HB received preferential treatment.

Has the whistle blower been put under oath or anyone else questioning the veracity of the US Attorney’s official statement?

[GoAU 1,600]

5 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

I don’t think the letter was lazy. There was no time to vett the laptop and they offered their honest opinions which were totally reasonable based on the strange context and timing.

The guy who made the unauthorized copy of a customer’s hard drive contacted Rudy in August. Rudy holds it for an “October Surprise.” Rudy could have done so sooner. It looked exactly like what the intel community suspected it was. The story is strange as hell.

If they had no time to vett the laptop, and they weren't directly involved in the investigation, how is their opinion even relevant, other than now looking stupid, partisan and / or incompetent? 

3 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Some companies will pay a lot to have high profile connected people on board that they can show off. Most folks on corporate boards aren’t working too hard, if at all. Hunter’s resume included a JD from Yale, Vice chairman of Amtrak, counsel at a prestigious law firm, long-term work in investments. On paper, it wasn’t some slack resume.

It was not a slack resume, just one completely ill-qualified for a business he had no background in, in a region he had no experience in.  If this is the new standard, it'll be profitable as heck to be the child of an elected official.   Between this and Nancy, once again an unfortunate new standard has been set / reinforced.  

2 hours ago, AU9377 said:

I'm certain that people at Bursima thought it was a good idea to have the son of the Vice President of the United States on their board.  That isn't just how things are done in many parts of the world.  That happens here in the U.S. as well.  Is there anyone that doesn't know that he held that position and got paid for nothing more than his name?  Without something concrete showing that Joe Biden influenced U.S. foreign policy in exchange for this, you have no crime and you have no abuse of power by the then Vice President.  Why is that so hard for some to understand?

What would you consider "concrete proof"?  You realize if this is OK to you, you've basically opened the floodgates, right?

2 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

Wouldn't you like to have some proof?

At this point I'd be perfectly content for a non-partisan trustworthy investigation to just find the truth.

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2 minutes ago, GoAU said:

If they had no time to vett the laptop, and they weren't directly involved in the investigation, how is their opinion even relevant, other than now looking stupid, partisan and / or incompetent? 

It was not a slack resume, just one completely ill-qualified for a business he had no background in, in a region he had no experience in.  If this is the new standard, it'll be profitable as heck to be the child of an elected official.   Between this and Nancy, once again an unfortunate new standard has been set / reinforced.  

What would you consider "concrete proof"?  You realize if this is OK to you, you've basically opened the floodgates, right?

At this point I'd be perfectly content for a non-partisan trustworthy investigation to just find the truth.

You realize Trump’s appointee is doing that, right?