Another log on the Biden family fire

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Neither Biden nor Trump are worthy to lead our nation. Arguing the details of who is worse is a futile exercise in my opinion.  We deserve better than both of these guys. 

Edited June 24, 2023 by Gowebb11

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8 minutes ago, GoAU said:

So Trump using foreign aid to leverage the Ukrainian government while gaining nothing personally and looking after US interests IS an issue, and Biden leveraging the Ukrainian government while HIS SON WAS MAKING MILLIONS of dollars for NOT influencing his father ISN’T an issue……yeah, right.

Trump's actions were intended to benefit his personal interests.  He was using the power of his office to force a foreign country to damage his domestic political rival.  In what universe is that not his self interest? He didn't care if there was anything going on or not, he simply wanted an investigation to be announced.  His ambassador testified to that before Congress.  That is like saying that Nixon didn't benefit personally from the break in at Watergate.

If we get to the point that we allow that kind of self dealing, we are in trouble.

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2 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

Trump's actions were intended to benefit his personal interests.  He was using the power of his office to force a foreign country to damage his domestic political rival.  In what universe is that not his self interest? He didn't care if there was anything going on or not, he simply wanted an investigation to be announced.  His ambassador testified to that before Congress.  That is like saying that Nixon didn't benefit personally from the break in at Watergate.

If we get to the point that we allow that kind of self dealing, we are in trouble.

Should have clarified - his personal financial gain.  And there absolutely should have been an investigation conducted then, and it is still lingering and needs to be conducted now.  

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5 minutes ago, GoAU said:

Should have clarified - his personal financial gain.  And there absolutely should have been an investigation conducted then, and it is still lingering and needs to be conducted now.  

I'm not sure what you expect someone to find that hasn't been found in all these years.  I have no doubt that Jim Jordan and his crew will keep investigating and releasing "bombshells" with no backbone until there is someone else on the other side of the aisle.  At that point, they will swap out the names and keep making vague allegations with no proof of any wrongdoing all over again.

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8 minutes ago, GoAU said:

Should have clarified - his personal financial gain.  And there absolutely should have been an investigation conducted then, and it is still lingering and needs to be conducted now.  

Bill Barr was AG for how many years under Trump and found nothing?  What was stopping them?  They had the full investigative power of the FBI and entire Justice Dept and found nothing to prosecute other than what was recent announced after Barr was no longer AG.  IF the evidence is so clear, why has it not been found?

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Even the lapdogs in the MSM are starting to ask questions. How refreshing.

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3 hours ago, AU9377 said:

Bill Barr was AG for how many years under Trump and found nothing?  What was stopping them?  They had the full investigative power of the FBI and entire Justice Dept and found nothing to prosecute other than what was recent announced after Barr was no longer AG.  IF the evidence is so clear, why has it not been found?

I think the answer is pretty obvious.   

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2 hours ago, Cardin Drake said:

Even the lapdogs in the MSM are starting to ask questions. How refreshing.

 

 

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1 hour ago, GoAU said:

I think the answer is pretty obvious.   

Little there?

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1 hour ago, GoAU said:

I think the answer is pretty obvious.   

Because there is no there there?

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4 hours ago, Cardin Drake said:

Even the lapdogs in the MSM are starting to ask questions. How refreshing.

Is this the "evidence" you want to go to trial with?

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8 hours ago, AU9377 said:

Because there is no there there?

The attempts to sweep it under the rug by some key players at the DOJ, FBI and IRS combined with the bias of the MSM and the lefts shear willingness to bury their head in the sand is more than enough to keep you living in blissful ignorance. 
 

We have no way of knowing whether the “evidence” is there or not because the stonewalling of any type of investigation is incredible.  
 

Just a few examples:

1) The amount of time the FBI had the laptop, and continued to publicly say it was either not confirmed or Russian disinformation.  They KNEW, and instead of admitting it, they drug their feet and hoped it would go away.  
2) The FBI and the 50 Intelligence officials that signed the letter knew they were intentionally trying to make the laptop a non issue in the election - and were OK with lying to do it. 
3) The IRS whistleblower that was specifically told NOT to investigate the remaining leads on Hunter. 
4) The FBI whistleblowers that were targeted and retaliated by the FBI.

5) The clown show about the FBIs willingness to even show the whistleblower documents to Congress 

There is more than enough to justify a thorough investigation, but there’s a ton of people in key places that are providing air cover to Biden every step of the way.  You say “there is no evidence” out of pure faith or denial, Al I’m saying is let the investigation proceed unimpeded and let the truth settle this issue instead of partisan politics on both sides.  

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17 minutes ago, GoAU said:

The attempts to sweep it under the rug by some key players at the DOJ, FBI and IRS combined with the bias of the MSM and the lefts shear willingness to bury their head in the sand is more than enough to keep you living in blissful ignorance. 
 

We have no way of knowing whether the “evidence” is there or not because the stonewalling of any type of investigation is incredible.  
 

Just a few examples:

1) The amount of time the FBI had the laptop, and continued to publicly say it was either not confirmed or Russian disinformation.  They KNEW, and instead of admitting it, they drug their feet and hoped it would go away.  
2) The FBI and the 50 Intelligence officials that signed the letter knew they were intentionally trying to make the laptop a non issue in the election - and were OK with lying to do it. 
3) The IRS whistleblower that was specifically told NOT to investigate the remaining leads on Hunter. 
4) The FBI whistleblowers that were targeted and retaliated by the FBI.

5) The clown show about the FBIs willingness to even show the whistleblower documents to Congress 

There is more than enough to justify a thorough investigation, but there’s a ton of people in key places that are providing air cover to Biden every step of the way.  You say “there is no evidence” out of pure faith or denial, Al I’m saying is let the investigation proceed unimpeded and let the truth settle this issue instead of partisan politics on both sides.  

This is the problem...   When the Trump appointed U.S. Attorney states publicly and in writing that he was not impeded whatsoever by the current AG and that he investigated every credible lead over the past 5 years and concluded that the only credible charges were those that he charged Hunter Biden with, that isn't good enough.

You would view the same U.S. Attorney in a totally different light had he charged what exactly?  Some sort of conspiracy?  Conspiracy to do what?  Who else is involved in that conspiracy?  Hunter trying to leverage his Dad's influence isn't enough.  You would need Joe Biden explicitly taking part in the conspiracy. Keep in mind, much, if not all, of this lap top time frame is during the 4 years that Joe was not in elected office.

The talking heads in right wing media and the House Republicans have the luxury of taking something from 2014 and something else from 2018 and telling their listeners that it must mean ______________________.  A prosecutor has to construct a real case, not sound bites and not vague could be or might be conclusions.  I say there is no evidence because to date there is none.  If House Republicans had something prosecutable, do you believe that they would not be screaming it for the world to hear?

Rudy Giuliani spent how much time in Ukraine attempting to find something credible?  What did he find? 

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10 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Little there?

It’s amazing that you and the other liberals on this board fail to see the hypocrisy in all of this.   There was a laptop found and the computer store worker came on tv and said it was Hunter’s laptop.    
Than the talking head’s, former Director of CIA and others get on TV and claim it’s Russian disinformation.   I don’t care what’s on the thing and who it implicates, but you and others refuse to see the total coverup of the whole thing.    It’s amazing to me and yet you want people to just accept whatever is said about the republicans as being 100% true.  

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2 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

It’s amazing that you and the other liberals on this board fail to see the hypocrisy in all of this.   There was a laptop found and the computer store worker came on tv and said it was Hunter’s laptop.    
Than the talking head’s, former Director of CIA and others get on TV and claim it’s Russian disinformation.   I don’t care what’s on the thing and who it implicates, but you and others refuse to see the total coverup of the whole thing.    It’s amazing to me and yet you want people to just accept whatever is said about the republicans as being 100% true.  

It's even worse than that. The FBI had the laptop for a year before the computer store owner came out publicly. The FBI 100% verified it was Hunter's laptop by Hunter's Apple ID and his cloud account.   It was blatant election interference to sit back and allow the intelligence agencies to claim it was Russian disinformation when the FBI knew better.  And the DOJ has a guy sitting in jail for a meme that they claim was election interference.  Wray needs to be impeached over this. Stuff like this is why there is so little respect for the DOJ and FBI that Trump's poll numbers went up after he was indicted.

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17 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

It’s amazing that you and the other liberals on this board fail to see the hypocrisy in all of this.   There was a laptop found and the computer store worker came on tv and said it was Hunter’s laptop.    
Than the talking head’s, former Director of CIA and others get on TV and claim it’s Russian disinformation.   I don’t care what’s on the thing and who it implicates, but you and others refuse to see the total coverup of the whole thing.    It’s amazing to me and yet you want people to just accept whatever is said about the republicans as being 100% true.  

They said Rudy waiting until right before the election had the marks of misinformation. They didn’t say definitively it was.

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On 6/23/2023 at 5:32 PM, CoffeeTiger said:

I’ve been on record here from the start saying Hunter Biden is a troubled individual and makes a lot of bad decisions and I’m thankful he hasn’t been given any kind of position in the US government. 
 

I think it’s well known at this point that Hunter was a druggie, sex addict, and was using his fathers name to try and make himself money. 
 

I support investigating Hunter Biden fully and throwing him in prison if he’s broken the law. 100% I have no desire to defend Hunter Biden in any way, shape, or form. 
 

however, what Republicans keep claiming, but have yet to show any evidence of, if that Joe Biden was actually involved in any of his sons activities. Hunter as a private citizen saying, ‘I’m an important person and I’m going to use my fathers influence to punish you if you don’t do what I want’ is not proof that Joe Biden was actually involved, knowledgeable, or participated in those threats or actions. 
 

We’ll see where the investigation goes, but all that has been shown or proven after 2 years of investigations by Republicans is the same thing we already knew before the election..that Hunter Biden is a troubled individual. 

Saying that while also defending HB for all you are worth. Your words do not match your actions.

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39 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

They said Rudy waiting until right before the election had the marks of misinformation. They didn’t say definitively it was.

These so-called experts are NOW and only NOW throwing Politico under the bus for misinformation on how they put the information forward. 

If you have any political savvy at all, you know that they knew that the laptop was HB's from the first. None of them actually looked at the laptop or any information. They were killing the story so as to help JB beat trump. They considered lying to the American People was okay when they called something they never looked at a Russian Hoax, and then allowed Politico et al to purposefully misportray what they said. ONLY NOW are they denying what Politico said they said? ONLY NOW? Yes, they now know that most of America realizes that they were lied to and during the next time they come forward that they will be dismissed in a nanosecond. 

Edited June 25, 2023 by DKW 86

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2 hours ago, GoAU said:

The attempts to sweep it under the rug by some key players at the DOJ, FBI and IRS combined with the bias of the MSM and the lefts shear willingness to bury their head in the sand is more than enough to keep you living in blissful ignorance. 
 

We have no way of knowing whether the “evidence” is there or not because the stonewalling of any type of investigation is incredible.  
 

Just a few examples:

1) The amount of time the FBI had the laptop, and continued to publicly say it was either not confirmed or Russian disinformation.  They KNEW, and instead of admitting it, they drug their feet and hoped it would go away.  
2) The FBI and the 50 Intelligence officials that signed the letter knew they were intentionally trying to make the laptop a non issue in the election - and were OK with lying to do it. 
3) The IRS whistleblower that was specifically told NOT to investigate the remaining leads on Hunter. 
4) The FBI whistleblowers that were targeted and retaliated by the FBI.

5) The clown show about the FBIs willingness to even show the whistleblower documents to Congress 

There is more than enough to justify a thorough investigation, but there’s a ton of people in key places that are providing air cover to Biden every step of the way.  You say “there is no evidence” out of pure faith or denial, Al I’m saying is let the investigation proceed unimpeded and let the truth settle this issue instead of partisan politics on both sides.  

Wasting your time Bro. There are some people on this board that are religiously tied to THEIR PARTY. They will NEVER be able to see that this is HB 's Laptop. They will also be able to see the Biden Family making big $$$ off the Biden Family connection and 100% Deny that Biden did not know one thing about how his family was doing that. They will see the emails about The BIG GUY and hold on to masturbatory fantasies that he didn't know. These are the same people that can look at Biden's 50-year tenure in DC and can straight-face say that he is not incompetent in holding and returning and abiding by the laws of the nation on classified documents. trump, a total failure as President, does have one thing in his defense is that he only lived in DC for 4 years. Biden was there for 50 years and still is too incompetent to be trusted with classified documents. He has had 50 years to learn this stuff and is still obviously incompetent. 

But Dave, he turned it over...

That is the problem, why did he not turn them back in LIKE HE IS BY LAW ORDERED TO DO? Why did he let attorneys with absolutely no classified clearance even look for these docs? WTF? He created a national security breach even allowing them to look for them. There are 10,000 people in DC with Security Clearances and he chose to let UNQUALIFIED do the work? WTF?

Edited June 25, 2023 by DKW 86

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47 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

These so-called experts are NOW and only NOW throwing Politico under the bus for misinformation on how they put the information forward. 

If you have any political savvy at all, you know that they knew that the laptop was HB's from the first. None of them actually looked at the laptop or any information. They were killing the story so as to help JB beat trump. They considered lying to the American People was okay when they called something they never looked at a Russian Hoax, and then allowed Politico et al to purposefully misportray what they said. ONLY NOW are they denying what Politico said they said? ONLY NOW? Yes, they now know that most of America realizes that they were lied to and during the next time they come forward that they will be dismissed in a nanosecond. 

You’re wrong. Again.

“It is for all these reasons that we write to say that the arrival on the US politicalcal scene of emails purportedly belonging to Vice President Biden’s son Hunter, much of it related to his time serving on the Board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.
We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.”

 

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000

 

Rupert Murdoch’s own NY Post questioned the authenticity of the laptop due to the shady circumstances and their conservative reporters weren’t comfortable putting their name to it.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

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16 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

You’re wrong. Again.

“It is for all these reasons that we write to say that the arrival on the US politicalcal scene of emails purportedly belonging to Vice President Biden’s son Hunter, much of it related to his time serving on the Board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.
We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.”

 

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000

You need to read it again. 

Original story on politico.

Hunter Biden story IS Russian disinfo,
dozens of former intel officials say

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

LATER

Spies who lie: 51 ‘intelligence’ experts refuse to apologize for discrediting true Hunter Biden story

https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/intelligence-experts-refuse-to-apologize-for-smearing-hunter-biden-story/

NOW

THE HUNTER BIDEN STATEMENT: HOW SENIOR INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY OFFICIALS AND THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WORKED TO MISLEAD AMERICAN VOTERS

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/2023-05-10_the_hunter_biden_statement_how_senior_intelligence_community_officials_and_the_biden_campaign_worked_to_mislead_american_voters-sm.pdf

NYT: Officials Who Cast Doubt on Hunter Biden Laptop Face Questions

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/16/us/politics/republicans-hunter-biden-laptop.html

Alexander: U.S. intelligence officials claiming Hunter Biden laptop was ‘Russian disinformation’ knew story was false

https://bizmagsb.com/2023/04/24/alexander-u-s-intelligence-officials-claiming-hunter-biden-laptop-was-russian-disinformation-knew-story-was-false/

WAPO: The Hunter Biden Laptop and Claims of Russian Disinfo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/13/hunter-biden-laptop-claims-russian-disinfo/

Journalists lose face after NYT confirms Hunter Biden emails not Russian disinformation

https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/journalists-lose-face-after-nyt-confirms-hunter-biden-emails-not-russian-disinformation

Edited June 25, 2023 by DKW 86

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6 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

You need to read it again. 

Original story on politico.

Hunter Biden story IS Russian disinfo,
dozens of former intel officials say

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

LATER

Spies who lie: 51 ‘intelligence’ experts refuse to apologize for discrediting true Hunter Biden story

https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/intelligence-experts-refuse-to-apologize-for-smearing-hunter-biden-story/

NOW

THE HUNTER BIDEN STATEMENT: HOW SENIOR INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY OFFICIALS AND THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WORKED TO MISLEAD AMERICAN VOTERS

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/2023-05-10_the_hunter_biden_statement_how_senior_intelligence_community_officials_and_the_biden_campaign_worked_to_mislead_american_voters-sm.pdf

 

If that’s the original story, Politico did mistakenly report what they claimed in their letter which I posted. Read it. Politico has since corrected their story to align with the letter.

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2 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

If that’s the original story, Politico did mistakenly report what they claimed in their letter which I posted. Read it.

Tex, I am agreeing with you on what the letter said. It was carefully worded by those involved. 

1) Politico changed the wording on purpose. The slavish MSM just kept quoting Politico.

2) Not one of the 51 experts corrected them at the time. They are only now.

Hunter Biden story IS Russian disinfo,
dozens of former intel officials say

Edited June 25, 2023 by DKW 86

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5 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

If that’s the original story, Politico did mistakenly report what they claimed in their letter which I posted. Read it. Politico has since corrected their story to align with the letter.

And that date was when?

 

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Just now, DKW 86 said:

Tex, I am agreeing with you on what the letter said. It was carefully worded by those involved. 

1) Politico changed the wording on purpose.

2) Not one of the 51 experts corrected them at the time. They are only now.

Politico is responsible for their own sloppy reporting. The letter is the original source. The letter was broadly disseminated and is very clear. Those intelligence professionals did not intentionally mislead anyone. I saw some interviewed and they stuck to the letter. And they were right. Random laptop winds up with Rudy? Huge chain of custody issues. Sprung right before the election with no opportunity to vett it? Looked highly suspicious.