Oliver "Chris" Anthony

[icanthearyou 4,463]

On 8/26/2023 at 12:09 PM, auburnatl1 said:

I get frustrated with the word “elite”.  It’s a lazy term, not the problem, and whiny.  If you really want t control 90% of corporate influence - institute campaign finance reforms, term limits, and eliminate lobbyists. It’s not mind bending stuff. There should be no concept of career politicians. Any elected official that’s been in DC for over 15yrs is by nature screwed up. Any candidate, in any party, that advocated this would get my vote.  

Systems and individuals.  Who do you think has instituted the systems,,, for whose benefit?  How do suppose they concentrated such power?

Like it, or not, politics is class warfare.  The true "elite" are keenly aware.  They are the power, not the government.

[auburnatl1 4,974]

5 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Systems and individuals.  Who do you think has instituted the systems,,, for whose benefit?  How do suppose they concentrated such power?

Like it, or not, politics is class warfare.  The true "elite" are keenly aware.  They are the power, not the government.

The wealthiest Americans are generally tech startup guys - are these the elite power guys you go on about? Or is it the PE guys or Financial houses (next wealth tier down)? Or is there an evil elite power broker version of the justice league im not aware of? I get your point that there are those that influence and even buy politicians  - always has been - but dear lord you take it to epic levels.

[icanthearyou 4,463]

16 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

The wealthiest Americans are generally tech startup guys - are these the elite power guys you go on about? Or is it the PE guys or Financial houses (next wealth tier down)? Or is there an evil elite power broker version of the justice league im not aware of? I get your point that there are those that influence and even buy politicians  - always has been - but dear lord you take it to epic levels.

Are they the wealthiest?  Or, just by the accounting measures we typically use?  Is it typically more about their access to capital? 

Is there hidden wealth in the world?  Yeah, tens of trillions.

The real power and wealth in this country and, the world, still resides on Wall St.   Even more so as the global economy is so highly financialized.  The Eastern establishment is alive and well.

The empowerment of capital is not a phenomenon.  It is a product of Neo-liberal policy.

And yes, it is a conspiracy hiding in plain sight.  How else do you explain, concentrating markets, concentrating wealth, a government that is openly for sale, tax policy that clearly favors passive income, extreme income,,, how do you explain bankruptcy laws, how do you explain off shoring of production, income,,, how do you explain economic growth in a country with an extreme trade deficit, how do you explain the concept of "too big to fail"?

 

[auburnatl1 4,974]

3 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Are they the wealthiest?  Or, just by the accounting measures we typically use?  Is it typically more about their access to capital? 

Is there hidden wealth in the world?  Yeah, tens of trillions.

The real power and wealth in this country and, the world, still resides on Wall St.   Even more so as the global economy is so highly financialized.  The Eastern establishment is alive and well.

The empowerment of capital is not a phenomenon.  It is a product of Neo-liberal policy.

And yes, it is a conspiracy hiding in plain sight.  How else do you explain, concentrating markets, concentrating wealth, a government that is openly for sale, tax policy that clearly favors passive income, extreme income,,, how do you explain bankruptcy laws, how do you explain off shoring of production, income,,, how do you explain economic growth in a country with an extreme trade deficit, how do you explain the concept of "too big to fail"?

 

Got it

[DKW 86 7,429]

On 8/26/2023 at 7:47 AM, I_M4_AU said:

Is he @DKW 86?

He is close...

[LPTiger 5,167]

3 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

 

The real power and wealth in this country and, the world, still resides on Wall St.  

 

 

Wall St. used to lean conservative.   It now leans liberal.   The proxy advisory firms are definitely liberal see e.g. the ESG movement.   The Wall Street law firms like, the titan, Sullivan Cromwell, that have lots of influence at Goldman,et al very much leans left. 

[LPTiger 5,167]

The NY Times has an article out chastising the left for dismissing Oliver.   It says a song about a working man getting screwed over by the wealthy is something the left should embrace, yet it is the right that is embracing him.   The writer notes some on the left assume lower class whites are automatically bigots (a word used her a lot).   

[Didba 5,256]

On 8/27/2023 at 10:22 AM, AUDub said:

At its most charitable, it's a bad lyric. 

For suuuuuree, the dude is no lyrical genius. 

[LPTiger 5,167]

3 hours ago, Didba said:

For suuuuuree, the dude is no lyrical genius. 

Did, how many videos has anyone had where 40MM people watch?   At some point, the people aren't wrong.    The best lawyer sees the fallacies in his case...

[DKW 86 7,429]

On 8/26/2023 at 11:41 AM, LPTiger said:

Don't you know grass is evil and must be eradicated?   First, we waste water and fertilizer on it.  And who knows where all that fertilizer utlitmatley winds up.    Second, we mow it with fossil fueled, inefficient IC engines.  Third, we bag the clippings in PLASTIC BAGS which are made with fossil fuels.   Fourth, Cows, goats, buffalo, deer, elk and all sorts of other animals eat it, pass gas and ultimately they go #2 all of which has resulted in global temps increasing  by no less than .0004 degrees in the past 100 years.   Go get you some environmentally friendly herbicide and kill that grass r/n.   Replace it with artificial turf.   That's what all the cool people are doing.

Man, will you shut up! Somebody in CA is already drafting the legislation and prepping to run for president on that very platform. 😉

[DKW 86 7,429]

On 8/26/2023 at 12:09 PM, auburnatl1 said:

I get frustrated with the word “elite”.  It’s a lazy term, not the problem, and whiny.  If you really want t control 90% of corporate influence - institute campaign finance reforms, term limits, and eliminate lobbyists. It’s not mind bending stuff. There should be no concept of career politicians. Any elected official that’s been in DC for over 15yrs is by nature screwed up. Any candidate, in any party, that advocated this would get my vote.  

Brother, you are the one that bought hook, line, and sinker into the DC BS. If you think you are ever going to "institute campaign finance reforms, term limits, and eliminate lobbyists" then by all means go right ahead. I will right you a check and we will start on THE Quixotic Adventure of the 21st Century. You will find more wealthy-corrupt-soldout pols will be there to stop even the mere mention of those goals. THAT is where we are today, but you knew that. You are just playing the party line jack-wagon today.

[auburnatl1 4,974]

2 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Brother, you are the one that bought hook, line, and sinker into the DC BS. If you think you are ever going to "institute campaign finance reforms, term limits, and eliminate lobbyists" then by all means go right ahead. I will right you a check and we will start on THE Quixotic Adventure of the 21st Century. You will find more wealthy-corrupt-soldout pols will be there to stop even the mere mention of those goals. THAT is where we are today, but you knew that. You are just playing the party line jack-wagon today.

It’s “them” blaming and a victim mentality. Pure and simple. If people really want reform, pressure and elect candidates that prioritize it. It would happen. Ie if we as an electorate mandated our elected officials to fix only 3 things (which btw poll above 80%):

1) term limits and reduce Corp influence

2) border integrity

3) balance the budget (which would save $100b in interest - paying for a kinds of cool stuff down the road)

But we don’t. Instead we elect, instruct, distract, and reward our politicians to endlessly impeach and litigate each other, argue about trans swimmers, where did covid come from, and other never ending tmz fixations.  

We as a culture love to blame elites and “them”.  It’s blame the refs/ secret society stuff. But the reality is that’s it’s simply about us prioritizing the key things that matter to us.  And so far that seems to be bud light.

[DKW 86 7,429]

3 hours ago, auburnatl1 said:

It’s “them” blaming and a victim mentality. Pure and simple. If people really want reform, pressure and elect candidates that prioritize it. It would happen. Ie if we as an electorate mandated our elected officials to fix only 3 things (which btw poll above 80%):

1) term limits and reduce Corp influence

2) border integrity

3) balance the budget (which would save $100b in interest - paying for a kinds of cool stuff down the road)

But we don’t. Instead we elect, instruct, distract, and reward our politicians to endlessly impeach and litigate each other, argue about trans swimmers, where did covid come from, and other never ending tmz fixations.  

We as a culture love to blame elites and “them”.  It’s blame the refs/ secret society stuff. But the reality is that’s it’s simply about us prioritizing the key things that matter to us.  And so far that seems to be bud light.

Do you know you are quoting Sean Hannity here?

[auburnatl1 4,974]

9 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Do you know you are quoting Sean Hannity here?

Huh? I thought he saw a deep state conspiracy around every corner and it’s all the nasty elites out to get us.  I’m literally saying the opposite.

[Didba 5,256]

On 8/31/2023 at 6:52 PM, LPTiger said:

Did, how many videos has anyone had where 40MM people watch?   At some point, the people aren't wrong.    The best lawyer sees the fallacies in his case...

It's my opinion, the amount of people watching the YouTube video is irrelevant when it comes to my opinion. This isn't a case; its an opinion.

[DKW 86 7,429]

18 hours ago, auburnatl1 said:

 If people really want reform, pressure and elect candidates that prioritize it. It would happen. Ie if we as an electorate mandated our elected officials to fix only 3 things (which btw poll above 80%):

1) term limits and reduce Corp influence

2) border integrity

3) balance the budget (which would save $100b in interest - paying for a kinds of cool stuff down the road)

That is straight from SH. He is totally against any term limits. He loves the status quo in DC. But he placates his audience by telling them we don't need term limits, we can simply vote them out. Yet we all know the re-election rate is something north of 95%. This has been his schtick for 20 years or more. He knows, just like you and I do that DC will never allow that. If we got it on the ballot as an amendment, DC would be filing so many lawsuits it kill every tree in America stopping it. 

I truly believe we will have to have some major event that would all but destroy one or both of the parties. Neither of them want term limits, a balanced budget, etc. THEY DO NOT WANT THAT, AT ALL.