yngwie1995 2,229 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Chaotic_zx said: That is the prevailing thought. I didn't subscribe to it. I've always felt(and may be wrong) it was bama paying. I heard it was because Auburn didn't meet his stringent academic requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronCrazy 1,065 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 2 hours ago, bigbird said: That's why you will see a lot of staff changes occur after ESD Bird - do you expect to see changes to our staff after ENSD? If so, how many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,625 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 If we're gonna' reminisce: I remember listening to an AU basketball game in December of 1967. At half-time the radio crew announced AU's list of football signees that day. Pat Sullivan and Terry Beasley were named ! No, recruiting hadn't yet reached the insane levels of interest it holds today. Still, Sully and Beez were a big deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird 60,567 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 3 hours ago, aujohnson said: Told that by his agent? Nope! Another coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird 60,567 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 1 hour ago, CameronCrazy said: Bird - do you expect to see changes to our staff after ENSD? If so, how many? Yes. We'll see, there are a lot of angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujohnson 299 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, bigbird said: Nope! Another coach 🤦🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird 60,567 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, aujohnson said: 🤦🏻♂️ People would flip if they heard who said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujohnson 299 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 1 minute ago, bigbird said: People would flip if they heard who said it. I’m glad I am not trusted with that type of info. 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujohnson 299 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 There are lots of angles to something like that where someone could be genuine or be hoping for the ensured vacant job. Im sure I am naive but that were folks (fans) that thought he might be able to actually climb his way out of the hole he was in. Based on stories which are probably at best half true, he was already doing the bare minimum. Honestly a booster telling him that could have been in the best interest of Auburn. Sure seems so now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenlee36 1,654 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Viper said: And as I said in another thread, Dye came in when bahr was retiring, making it an even bigger shift in recruiting momentum. If bahr had been young enough and healthy enough to continue an extra 10 years, I don’t believe Dye would have had the superb recruiting success he ended up with. The same (or similar) effect can be predicted for the Freeze intro / Saban outro. Dye was really good at recruiting. If memory serves me, didn’t we get but on probation shortly after Dye left? I think it may have had to do with recruiting violations that he had no clue about … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,625 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, sevenlee36 said: Dye was really good at recruiting. If memory serves me, didn’t we get but on probation shortly after Dye left? I think it may have had to do with recruiting violations that he had no clue about … Had nothing to do with recruiting. Larry Blakney, an AU assistant at the time, gave some money and a box of food to married player Eric Ramsey. Ramsey secretly recorded the transaction and that was that. PS: Knowing the tight ship Dye ran, I find it unlikely that Dye didn't know what was going on. Edited December 16, 2023 by Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gman87 398 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Mikey said: Had nothing to do with recruiting. Larry Blakney, an AU assistant at the time, gave some money and a box of food to married player Eric Ramsey. Ramsey secretly recorded the transaction and that was that. PS: Knowing the tight ship Dye ran, I find it unlikely that Dye didn't know what was going on. As I recall, it was a box of steaks, Ramsey was saying his kids were going hungry....complete setup job. But back to transfers and recruiting, now that everyone, and not just $puat and UGA can pay players, all the highly rated players warming bench at the top programs can not only line their wallets but also showcase their skills at more needy schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank2020 3,208 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 8 hours ago, Mikey said: Had nothing to do with recruiting. Larry Blakney, an AU assistant at the time, gave some money and a box of food to married player Eric Ramsey. Ramsey secretly recorded the transaction and that was that. PS: Knowing the tight ship Dye ran, I find it unlikely that Dye didn't know what was going on. I thought it was Dye on the tape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEAugirl 9,633 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hank2020 said: I thought it was Dye on the tape? No, it was Young, Dennis, Blakney, and Corky Frost. And they were just trying to help him, since he was the only player that had a child and he kept telling them he had no money to feed his family, pay his bills, etc…..it was Frost that was giving him the steaks. Corky Frost also was the one that got Jelks to record the conversation with the Bama coach about being paid and got that investigation started where they ended up on probation too 😂 Edited December 16, 2023 by AEAugirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank2020 3,208 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, AEAugirl said: No, it was Young, Dennis, Blakney, and Corky Frost. And they were just trying to help him, since he was the only player that had a child and he kept telling them he had no money to feed his family, pay his bills, etc…..it was Frost that was giving him the steaks. Corky Frost also was the one that got Jelks to record the conversation with the Bama coach about being paid and got that investigation started where they ended up on probation too 😂 Gotcha!! Thx for the context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEAugirl 9,633 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Just now, Hank2020 said: Gotcha!! Thx for the context. Kinda makes you miss the underhanded savagery of that time doesn’t it? 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank2020 3,208 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 1 minute ago, AEAugirl said: Kinda makes you miss the underhanded savagery of that time doesn’t it? 😂 It was definitely brutal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEAugirl 9,633 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Oh and Dye’s part in that was he helped Ramsey get like a $9k unsecured loan, I think that was from Colonial so of course Lowder was involved if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodford 3,660 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 These stories are a great reminder just how stupid the NCAA rules were/are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutzcammed 469 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 8 hours ago, gman87 said: As I recall, it was a box of steaks, Ramsey was saying his kids were going hungry....complete setup job. But back to transfers and recruiting, now that everyone, and not just $puat and UGA can pay players, all the highly rated players warming bench at the top programs can not only line their wallets but also showcase their skills at more needy schools. I remember at that time wishing all sorts of ill will On Ramsey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman1 487 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Hank2020 said: I thought it was Dye on the tape? It was food and diapers. Eric came begging to Dye telling him he had no $$$ to support his family. The entire thing was orchestrated by Eric's wife Twilitta and Donald Watkins, a big time Birmingham attorney at the time. He worked independently but was also involved the Birmingham city affairs. Twilitta had already tried to get $$ from someone else by recording their conversations, which she also did with Auburn coaches. Many people, myself included, think the entire thing was done to get back at Dye for moving the Iron Bowl from Birmingham. Long story short, Auburn got hammered for trying to do good for a young family. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bro Johnny Mac 1,395 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 16 hours ago, Viper said: And as I said in another thread, Dye came in when bahr was retiring, making it an even bigger shift in recruiting momentum. If bahr had been young enough and healthy enough to continue an extra 10 years, I don’t believe Dye would have had the superb recruiting success he ended up with. The same (or similar) effect can be predicted for the Freeze intro / Saban outro. All your points are spot on And the single biggest victory for Pat Dye in his tenure at AU was out recruiting Bryant for Bo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustache eagle 2,406 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 57 minutes ago, Bro Johnny Mac said: All your points are spot on And the single biggest victory for Pat Dye in his tenure at AU was out recruiting Bryant for Bo His biggest victory was getting the iron bowl to Auburn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuscAUse! 1,419 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, mustache eagle said: His biggest victory was getting the iron bowl to Auburn. THIS ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUwent 3,754 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 1 hour ago, tinman1 said: It was food and diapers. Eric came begging to Dye telling him he had no $$$ to support his family. The entire thing was orchestrated by Eric's wife Twilitta and Donald Watkins, a big time Birmingham attorney at the time. He worked independently but was also involved the Birmingham city affairs. Twilitta had already tried to get $$ from someone else by recording their conversations, which she also did with Auburn coaches. Many people, myself included, think the entire thing was done to get back at Dye for moving the Iron Bowl from Birmingham. Long story short, Auburn got hammered for trying to do good for a young family. Jelks, Langham and Means provided a nice big helping of karma over the next decade at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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