The danger of abiding Trump in a nutshell

[Cardin Drake 1,842]

5 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Got a link?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1225

 In Title 8, U.S. Code (which is where the immigration laws are), sec. 1225(b)(1)(B)(IV) states:

Any alien subject to the procedures under this clause shall be detained pending a final determination of credible fear of persecution and, if found not to have such a fear, until removed. [Emphasis added]

Edited March 4 by Cardin Drake

[SaltyTiger 7,820]

18 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Guys like Cardin are batsh*t crazy cultists who couldn’t see a fraud if he took every penny they owned.

Do you even know that he supports Trump? He just not agreeing that Trump colluded to win the election in 2016. A story that was seeded prior to inauguration and was pushed daily for years. See you are back to the old “cultist” rhetoric.

[TexasTiger 12,964]

18 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Do you even know that he supports Trump? He just not agreeing that Trump colluded to win the election in 2016. A story that was seeded prior to inauguration and was pushed daily for years. See you are back to the old “cultist” rhetoric.

Yeah. My rhetoric is the real problem ailing this country. See you’re back to gaslighting.

[homersapien 11,393]

20 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Do you even know that he supports Trump? He just not agreeing that Trump colluded to win the election in 2016. A story that was seeded prior to inauguration and was pushed daily for years. See you are back to the old “cultist” rhetoric.

"Collusion" is a legal term that is specifically defined and hard to prove.

What Trump campaign team did for sure, was to solicit their help, and then gratefully accept it. (And they did try to help.) 

Of course, Trump had a history of laundering Russian oligarch money and accepting financial support from Russia when western banks cut him off. 

Ever since, his lips have been firmly attached to Putin.

The fact that people like you are apparently ready to completely write off that history as if the whole thing was some sort of a failed political hoax, is exactly what generates the comments of cult-like fealty.

I am ashamed of you Salty.    Never figured you would join the cult.

 

Edited March 4 by homersapien

[I_M4_AU 7,874]

3 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Explain how you see his interpretation and why it’s wrong.

Joe, during his campaigning, said the immigrants should *surge* the boarder, probably since Trump had his remain in Mexico EO.  So he had plans to open our borders and eliminate any *barriers* that Trump had set up.  In his first 100 days of office he did just that.  The previous *remaim in Mexico* policy allowed the vetting to be done outside of the US until a hearing could be set up which complied with the law. when Joe rescinded that, the focal point then became the border.  That focus on our border was designed to overwhelm the border agents and it worked perfectly.  Joe then set up a system in which the asylum seeker could use an app to expedite entry into the US to as little as 5 minutes.  

Joe’s interpretation was that all an asylum seeker had to do was enter on the app that they feared for their life in their native country and they were let in.  There is no right (or even a law) that says an asylum seeker has to enter the US without being vetted and remain in the US until their trial date.

Its wrong because the US should keep asylum seekers in the first country they come to that is not the country they are fleeing to seek their asylum or seek asylum from their home country.  It is hard to believe 8 million people were so afraid to live in their own country, the country they have lived in for decades, and suddenly when Joe becomes President they fear for their lives.

[Gowebb11 9,343]

4 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Has Biden followed the law?

Not sure how to answer that. The American public has watched nightly clips on the news of immigrants pouring in virtually unopposed and unvetted. They’ve watched illegal migrants attacking our cops and seen stories of them murdering our citizens. Now they’re learning that huge amounts of US taxpayer money is being spent on benefits to non citizens that citizens could benefit from. That’s the story in the eyes of most voters. Biden has sadly opened the White House door wide open for Trump’s re-election. 

[creed 1,641]

Maybe the government has gotten better at vetting individuals since 9/11. However, I doubt it. If another 9/11, or a series of smaller ones are traced back to the border issue, it will be wrapped up like a gift and hung around Biden's, and our government's neck so to speak. One of the things we can do at this point is to write our congressmen/representatives and give them our opinion, then hold them accountable.   

Edited March 4 by creed

[auburnatl1 4,980]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

Joe, during his campaigning, said the immigrants should *surge* the boarder, probably since Trump had his remain in Mexico EO.  So he had plans to open our borders and eliminate any *barriers* that Trump had set up.  In his first 100 days of office he did just that.  The previous *remaim in Mexico* policy allowed the vetting to be done outside of the US until a hearing could be set up which complied with the law. when Joe rescinded that, the focal point then became the border.  That focus on our border was designed to overwhelm the border agents and it worked perfectly.  Joe then set up a system in which the asylum seeker could use an app to expedite entry into the US to as little as 5 minutes.  

Joe’s interpretation was that all an asylum seeker had to do was enter on the app that they feared for their life in their native country and they were let in.  There is no right (or even a law) that says an asylum seeker has to enter the US without being vetted and remain in the US until their trial date.

Its wrong because the US should keep asylum seekers in the first country they come to that is not the country they are fleeing to seek their asylum or seek asylum from their home country.  It is hard to believe 8 million people were so afraid to live in their own country, the country they have lived in for decades, and suddenly when Joe becomes President they fear for their lives.

I disagree with some of this but overall I think you make valid points. Joe set the tone during his campaign that helped drive the immigrant surge to begin with, and then later delegated it to Kamala who treated it like a frivolous hobby.

IMO  by maga being seen as the driver for securing the border for the past 7 years , many moderates simply ignored the issue  - assuming it was more racial/gender/whatever driven maga melodrama. It isn’t. It’s critical common sense and a prerequisite to any 1st world country managing its growth, safety, educational needs, ect.  Dear lord, it’s  basic 101 national sovereignty and  shouldn't require trump nuttiness to EO resolve.

[I_M4_AU 7,874]

1 hour ago, auburnatl1 said:

Dear lord, it’s  basic 101 national sovereignty and  shouldn't require trump nuttiness to EO resolve.

If Trump gets in look for the HR 2 bill to be seriously considered.  I will say EOs will happen to stabilize the situation, but disappear when laws are passed.

[SaltyTiger 7,820]

9 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Yeah. My rhetoric is the real problem ailing this country. See you’re back to gaslighting.

Never said your rhetoric was “ailing this country”, but the thought obviously went through your mind. Maybe you should think about it.

[SaltyTiger 7,820]

9 hours ago, homersapien said:

"Collusion" is a legal term that is specifically defined and hard to prove.

What Trump campaign team did for sure, was to solicit their help, and then gratefully accept it. (And they did try to help.) 

Of course, Trump had a history of laundering Russian oligarch money and accepting financial support from Russia when western banks cut him off. 

Ever since, his lips have been firmly attached to Putin.

The fact that people like you are apparently ready to completely write off that history as if the whole thing was some sort of a failed political hoax, is exactly what generates the comments of cult-like fealty.

I am ashamed of you Salty.    Never figured you would join the cult.

 

Exhibit B. not buy into “collusion” = cultist.

[TexasTiger 12,964]

22 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Never said your rhetoric was “ailing this country”, but the thought obviously went through your mind. Maybe you should think about it.

Maybe you should drink less. My original post was not about Russia.

[SaltyTiger 7,820]

28 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

My original post was not about Russia.

Wasn’t replying to your original post. Was replying to you forming an opinion about another poster.

[auburnatl1 4,980]

12 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

See you are back to the old “cultist” rhetoric.

I agree the cult term got tired  …. in 2022. I personally now use “Trump love slave” to denote the condition😎

[TexasTiger 12,964]

1 hour ago, SaltyTiger said:

Wasn’t replying to your original post. Was replying to you forming an opinion about another poster.

Think my opinions are pretty grounded, but you’re free to disagree.

[I_M4_AU 7,874]

So, is this real?  Did the Biden administration fly 320,000 illegals into the country to avoid border crossings?  And if so, by what law did he ignore to do so?

 

 

[AUFAN78 3,912]

On 3/3/2024 at 1:44 PM, AU9377 said:

Always interesting how the right brings up the "Russian hoax", but never wants to explore extorting Ukraine or the fact that Trump has never uttered a negative thought about Putin.

It doesn't matter what the right brings up any more than the left. We need truth.

The truth is Ukraine was a political prosecution. End of story. 

Concerning Trump and Russia, actions speak louder than words: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

 

The American Presidency Project

President Trump and his administration have been tougher on Russia than any past administration.

• President Obama's Secretary of Defense Robert Gates says it's "true" that President Trump's administration has been the toughest on Russia.

• President Trump has repeatedly pushed back against Russian attempts to threaten American institutions, including imposing sanctions on hundreds of individuals and entities suspected of attempted election interference.

• To hold Russia accountable for their repeated violations, President Trump withdrew the United States from both the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty and Open Skies Treaty.

• The Trump Administration imposed harsh penalties in response to Russia's evasion of sanctions against North Korea, Syria, Iran, and Venezuela.

• President Trump placed strong sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, warning Germany and other nations about the dangers of relying on Russian energy.

Joe Biden failed to stand up to Russia during his forty-even years in Washington.

• Before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Biden tried to buy Putin's support for the war by promising him that profits from seized Iraqi oil would go to Russia.

• Within weeks of becoming Vice President in 2009, Biden suggested a reset with Russia and a closer relationship.

• In 2011, Biden strongly supported Russia's bid to join the World Trade Organization.

• When President Obama traded "flexibility" on missile defense for Russia's help in winning the 2012 election, Biden defended it.

• In 2012, Biden mocked the idea that "Russia is still our major adversary," saying Russia was "working closely with us."

• In 2013, Obama and Biden failed to enforce their "red line" in Syria, which ultimately emboldened Russia.

• When Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, Obama and Biden failed to provide lethal aid to Ukraine

[AU9377 4,979]

4 hours ago, AUFAN78 said:

It doesn't matter what the right brings up any more than the left. We need truth.

The truth is Ukraine was a political prosecution. End of story. 

Concerning Trump and Russia, actions speak louder than words: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

 

The American Presidency Project

President Trump and his administration have been tougher on Russia than any past administration.

• President Obama's Secretary of Defense Robert Gates says it's "true" that President Trump's administration has been the toughest on Russia.

• President Trump has repeatedly pushed back against Russian attempts to threaten American institutions, including imposing sanctions on hundreds of individuals and entities suspected of attempted election interference.

• To hold Russia accountable for their repeated violations, President Trump withdrew the United States from both the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty and Open Skies Treaty.

• The Trump Administration imposed harsh penalties in response to Russia's evasion of sanctions against North Korea, Syria, Iran, and Venezuela.

• President Trump placed strong sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, warning Germany and other nations about the dangers of relying on Russian energy.

Joe Biden failed to stand up to Russia during his forty-even years in Washington.

• Before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Biden tried to buy Putin's support for the war by promising him that profits from seized Iraqi oil would go to Russia.

• Within weeks of becoming Vice President in 2009, Biden suggested a reset with Russia and a closer relationship.

• In 2011, Biden strongly supported Russia's bid to join the World Trade Organization.

• When President Obama traded "flexibility" on missile defense for Russia's help in winning the 2012 election, Biden defended it.

• In 2012, Biden mocked the idea that "Russia is still our major adversary," saying Russia was "working closely with us."

• In 2013, Obama and Biden failed to enforce their "red line" in Syria, which ultimately emboldened Russia.

• When Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, Obama and Biden failed to provide lethal aid to Ukraine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812

[homersapien 11,393]

17 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Exhibit B. not buy into “collusion” = cultist.

You missed the point. 

MAGAs simply ignore what Trump did do because he wasn't convicted of legal collusion.

[homersapien 11,393]

On 3/4/2024 at 12:33 PM, Gowebb11 said:

Not sure how to answer that. The American public has watched nightly clips on the news of immigrants pouring in virtually unopposed and unvetted. They’ve watched illegal migrants attacking our cops and seen stories of them murdering our citizens. Now they’re learning that huge amounts of US taxpayer money is being spent on benefits to non citizens that citizens could benefit from. That’s the story in the eyes of most voters. Biden has sadly opened the White House door wide open for Trump’s re-election. 

Undocumented immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes than regular American citizens.  Don't confuse sensationalizing individual stories with the truth.

[homersapien 11,393]

15 hours ago, auburnatl1 said:

I agree the cult term got tired  …. in 2022. I personally now use “Trump love slave” to denote the condition😎

"F******* Crazy fascist" also works for me.

Edited March 5 by homersapien

[Mikey 16,643]

14 minutes ago, homersapien said:

You missed the point. 

MAGAs simply ignore what Trump did do because he wasn't convicted of legal collusion.

The MAGA group won't win the election for Trump any more than died in the wool loony lefties will win it for Biden. The election will be won by Trump because those in the middle will examine options and conclude that, as bad as Trump is, Biden is much worse for this nation. Most of us see that the tragedy at the border, the Afghanistan fiasco and and similar Biden  bunglings must be stopped.

[homersapien 11,393]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812

Uh, we actually heard what Trump said in that infamous phone call.

[Gowebb11 9,343]

27 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Undocumented immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes than regular American citizens.  Don't confuse sensationalizing individual stories with the truth.

“Sure, millions of people from all over the worlds are surging across our borders unvetted, but why worry” They’re statistically less likely to commit crimes.”  That’s not how it works in real life, and certainly not how it works in election years. Biden failed on border control; period. It’s perhaps the biggest reason behind his abysmal approval ratings and a huge reason Trump will likely be re-elected. Don’t confuse how you want things to be with how they actually are. 

[homersapien 11,393]

4 hours ago, Gowebb11 said:

“Sure, millions of people from all over the worlds are surging across our borders unvetted, but why worry” They’re statistically less likely to commit crimes.”  That’s not how it works in real life, and certainly not how it works in election years. Biden failed on border control; period. It’s perhaps the biggest reason behind his abysmal approval ratings and a huge reason Trump will likely be re-elected. Don’t confuse how you want things to be with how they actually are. 

Well, at least you recognize the point I was making.  Statistics don't count in "election years". (Even though they do explain how things "actually are".)

As far as Biden "failing" on border control, "period", I hope you are aware that Trump and Republicans have largely orchestrated that failure by stonewalling bipartisan legislation - for partisan reasons.

Edited March 6 by homersapien