Obama's Houston Campaign Office:

[CCTAU 3,346]

First of all, wow, I go to work for one day and come back and we are five pages into it. Wow.

I don't think osama Obama is embracing "these" people. I thin you missed the point. The sad part is that "these" people seem to be embracing osama Obama. That in itself should tell the world about what he stands for.

If demons are following your lead, you just might be the debil.

If you ever want anyone to listen to you, stop saying osama Obama. While it is encouraging enough that our school system taught you to rhyme they seemed to have forgotten to tell you that rhyming does not mean the two terms are the same thing. For instance Bush sounds just like Busch, part of Anheuser-Busch. So this must mean that George Bush gets wasted because beer can get you wasted. Just like you asserted that because he has a name that rhymes with a terrorist, then Obama too must be a terrorist. The logic is just not there, but once again kudos on the rhyming accomplishment(mission accomplished anyone) gold star for you today.

Also, since I came to Aunation not to long ago I noticed that you have a habit of purposefully spelling words incorrectly. At first I thought it was just "dimocrat" to assert that democrats are stupid. But then we got liberul, and now the debil. I figured it was either two things: one you let one of your four year old kids type for a minute or you figured by dumbing down your spelling no one would actually notice your even worse logic. Either way, it is probably not the best path to take.

See. If you were a normal person and not such and educated librul, you would see that sometimes people misspell words to bring attention to them. (mission accomplished with you, huh?

Therefore, I claim that osama Obama is the debil because he is a librul, dimocrat, propose-nothing no-good. Glad to see he has similar followers......like you, maybe.

[Ranger12 46]

Yeah, our current health care system is wonderful: $40M+uninsured, higher costs than ever and a medicare system that is unsustainable at it's current rate. We pay the most for health care of any civilized country in the world and we do not have the best services/results (as our life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. rates show).

You are lecturing me on debating style after dumb health care comments like that?

Do you even read everything before you reply to a post? Again, you are trying to equate health insurance and costs with health care. Please tell me where else on this planet can you get better doctors, hospitals, rehab, and clinics? Where can you get better care then in the United States? I am not talking about the lack of health insurance coverage or medical costs. I am talking about health care. There is a difference. There is not a health care crisis in this country.

I will say it one more time, you throw out opinions like facts. You again quoted the debated 40+ million uninsured stat without giving me any stats that backs up your comments that health care in this country is not as good as other countries. Then you reply by calling my comments dumb. Kind of backs up my comment about your debating style doesn't it?

Please show me these stats about infant mortality, life rates, and the such. Please show me the rates for recovery and back to work time after major surgeries for United States citizens compared to other countries in the world. Show me stats on how long it takes to wait for major procedures in the United States compared to the rest of the world? You are the on that made the comment that other countries had better health care, but you have not provided anything to support that.

[AUdaREALsecTigers 2]

Communist Cuba and Che Gueverra. Do we really understand what we will get this Novemeber?

Video

Why should anyone be surprised by this. Go look at the creed of the church that he is a member of. Just insert

the word white in place of black or African American and you would be labeled a racist. extremist

The website has a magazine with an article praising "The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan".

[Tigermike 3,054]

Communist Cuba and Che Gueverra. Do we really understand what we will get this Novemeber?

Video

Why should anyone be surprised by this. Go look at the creed of the church that he is a member of. Just insert

the word white in place of black or African American and you would be labeled a racist. extremist

The website has a magazine with an article praising "The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan".

But Obama doesn't know that!

[Ranger12 46]

Here are a few articles from a UK paper about their socialized medicine:

Long wait times

Lagging in cancer treatments

Lag in treating stroke victims

Banning smokers and obese from health care system

Cancer patients told treatments cost too much

Even getting in to see a dentist is tough

Rationing health care to save money

[Tiger Al 0]

Here are a few articles from a UK paper about their socialized medicine:

Long wait times

Lagging in cancer treatments

Lag in treating stroke victims

Banning smokers and obese from health care system

Cancer patients told treatments cost too much

Even getting in to see a dentist is tough

Rationing health care to save money

Which candidate is advocating "socialized medicine?"

[aumd03 2]

Here are a few articles from a UK paper about their socialized medicine:

Long wait times

Lagging in cancer treatments

Lag in treating stroke victims

Banning smokers and obese from health care system

Cancer patients told treatments cost too much

Even getting in to see a dentist is tough

Rationing health care to save money

Which candidate is advocating "socialized medicine?"

Whats the next step? We already have govt sponsored insurance programs. We are already a long ways from free-market health care.

[Tiger Al 0]

Here are a few articles from a UK paper about their socialized medicine:

Long wait times

Lagging in cancer treatments

Lag in treating stroke victims

Banning smokers and obese from health care system

Cancer patients told treatments cost too much

Even getting in to see a dentist is tough

Rationing health care to save money

Which candidate is advocating "socialized medicine?"

Whats the next step? We already have govt sponsored insurance programs. We are already a long ways from free-market health care.

I'm sorry, doctor. You wrote three sentences but I don't see a candidates name in them. Let's put this "socialized medicine" strawman to rest and discuss what has been proposed, not what opponents pretend to have been proposed.

[CCTAU 3,346]

All of their plans lead to socialism. Just because you can't put 2 + 2 together, don't expect us to agree with you. The dim party leans toward socialism. And socialism has NEVER worked.

And here is the gist of the Che story:

OBAMA FLAG FLAP

The Obama camp has responded to the Cuban-Che flag that was hanging at a Houston, Texas office for Barack Obama. Are you ready for the resounding response?

"The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign."

Now the title headline did read "On Reports of an Inappropriate Flag in a Texas Obama Office." So they did manage to get the fact that it was "inappropriate" ... although that may be the understatement of the day.

Again, did Barack Obama have anything to do with this flag? No. But it does show the kind of people that are supporting him ... that they are willing to go so far as to hang the face of a communist butcher, criminal and murderer, as if he embodies the spirit of the Obama campaign.

Sometimes you're known by the company you keep ... right? Maybe someday the media will get over their infatuation and love affair with Obama and begin to ask some questions about his affinity for Marxist groups and professors during his university years. Then again ... maybe not.

LINK

[aumd03 2]

Here are a few articles from a UK paper about their socialized medicine:

Long wait times

Lagging in cancer treatments

Lag in treating stroke victims

Banning smokers and obese from health care system

Cancer patients told treatments cost too much

Even getting in to see a dentist is tough

Rationing health care to save money

Which candidate is advocating "socialized medicine?"

Whats the next step? We already have govt sponsored insurance programs. We are already a long ways from free-market health care.

I'm sorry, doctor. You wrote three sentences but I don't see a candidates name in them. Let's put this "socialized medicine" strawman to rest and discuss what has been proposed, not what opponents pretend to have been proposed.

Senator Clinton has already proposed plans for more socialized medicine. My point was that we are already going down that road and although it may not be socialized medicine by name, it is in principle.

Here's a good example of what happens when government control gets involved in medicine. http://covertrationingblog.com/general-rat...signated-driver

I don't think most people realize we are already reimbursed based on a performance scale. We are judged based on cholesterol levels, hemoglobin A1c ( a long term measure of blood glucose levels) and blood pressure. But recent studies have shown that we are indeed killing more people by working hard to meet govt standards and dropping HbA1c levels too low. Payments are decreasing so physicians must see more patients to cover overhead and spend less time with each patient. Studies have shown that more time with patients is actually cost effective and saves and decreases hospital admissions. More and more physicians are pursuing "retainer medicine" as a result, but if you treat someone with insurance, you can be prosecuted for acting as a unrestricted insurance company. I recently met a physician that said $20 a month from each patient in his practice would cover his costs and allow him to practice better medicine. How many of you would like to pay $20 a month per person to a physician to "retain" him or her as your personal physician. I'm sure many of you pay more for yourself alone than this system would cost your entire family. But we won't allow free market economics to rule.

I think our health care woes may be as much social commentary as anything. We are a society that wants the best but aren't willing to pay for it. We want everything in an immediate solution, such as a pill for weight loss rather than diet and exercise. We have a high sense of entitlement but a low sense of responsibility. I see people that have no problem spending $20k on a new car, but think health care should be free. Sure, many times health costs exceed that, but it would be much cheaper to have catastrophic insurance than the current system. Our bureaucracy is costing us right now.

[autiger4life 3]

See. If you were a normal person and not such and educated librul, you would see that sometimes people misspell words to bring attention to them. (mission accomplished with you, huh?

Therefore, I claim that osama Obama is the debil because he is a librul, dimocrat, propose-nothing no-good. Glad to see he has similar followers......like you, maybe.

You see, here is the great thing about being educated: I can actually read your post and comprehend what you are saying without needing you to incorrectly spell words. That is right, if you will just type out your opinion(argument was a little to generous), I will actually be able to read and understand it(which is amazing on its own) without any additional help. If I do have trouble understanding what you are trying to say, I assure you it has nothing to do with not enough emphasis on the important words but instead your use of poor logic and misleading information. But hey, don't let me stop you. You keep on with the post because every time I see someone on the conservative side make a good point you are always there to cancel it out and make it that much easier.

[Tiger Al 0]

Here are a few articles from a UK paper about their socialized medicine:

Long wait times

Lagging in cancer treatments

Lag in treating stroke victims

Banning smokers and obese from health care system

Cancer patients told treatments cost too much

Even getting in to see a dentist is tough

Rationing health care to save money

Which candidate is advocating "socialized medicine?"

Whats the next step? We already have govt sponsored insurance programs. We are already a long ways from free-market health care.

I'm sorry, doctor. You wrote three sentences but I don't see a candidates name in them. Let's put this "socialized medicine" strawman to rest and discuss what has been proposed, not what opponents pretend to have been proposed.

Senator Clinton has already proposed plans for more socialized medicine. My point was that we are already going down that road and although it may not be socialized medicine by name, it is in principle.

Here's a good example of what happens when government control gets involved in medicine. http://covertrationingblog.com/general-rat...signated-driver

I don't think most people realize we are already reimbursed based on a performance scale. We are judged based on cholesterol levels, hemoglobin A1c ( a long term measure of blood glucose levels) and blood pressure. But recent studies have shown that we are indeed killing more people by working hard to meet govt standards and dropping HbA1c levels too low. Payments are decreasing so physicians must see more patients to cover overhead and spend less time with each patient. Studies have shown that more time with patients is actually cost effective and saves and decreases hospital admissions. More and more physicians are pursuing "retainer medicine" as a result, but if you treat someone with insurance, you can be prosecuted for acting as a unrestricted insurance company. I recently met a physician that said $20 a month from each patient in his practice would cover his costs and allow him to practice better medicine. How many of you would like to pay $20 a month per person to a physician to "retain" him or her as your personal physician. I'm sure many of you pay more for yourself alone than this system would cost your entire family. But we won't allow free market economics to rule.

I think our health care woes may be as much social commentary as anything. We are a society that wants the best but aren't willing to pay for it. We want everything in an immediate solution, such as a pill for weight loss rather than diet and exercise. We have a high sense of entitlement but a low sense of responsibility. I see people that have no problem spending $20k on a new car, but think health care should be free. Sure, many times health costs exceed that, but it would be much cheaper to have catastrophic insurance than the current system. Our bureaucracy is costing us right now.

You're talking about oversight. Private insurers do this as well so it isn't a governmental anomaly. When BCBS does it, I can guarantee you it is almost always done to decrease reimbursements rather than to promote better medical care.

As for your friend, my bet is that he or she is a general practitioner and not a cardiologist, orthopaedist or other specialist because none of them would accept only $20 per month for their services. Furthermore, that $20 per month your friend claims wouldn't begin to cover his patient in the hospital.

Clinton, nor anyone else, is proposing a plan of "socialized medicine" like is always bandied about in this forum. They're proposing plans to provide affordable health insurance for everyone. "Socialized medicine" is a strawman.

[CCTAU 3,346]

See. If you were a normal person and not such and educated librul, you would see that sometimes people misspell words to bring attention to them. (mission accomplished with you, huh?

Therefore, I claim that osama Obama is the debil because he is a librul, dimocrat, propose-nothing no-good. Glad to see he has similar followers......like you, maybe.

You see, here is the great thing about being educated: I can actually read your post and comprehend what you are saying without needing you to incorrectly spell words. That is right, if you will just type out your opinion(argument was a little to generous), I will actually be able to read and understand it(which is amazing on its own) without any additional help. If I do have trouble understanding what you are trying to say, I assure you it has nothing to do with not enough emphasis on the important words but instead your use of poor logic and misleading information. But hey, don't let me stop you. You keep on with the post because every time I see someone on the conservative side make a good point you are always there to cancel it out and make it that much easier.

Yes and we are so lucky to have you here to inject a superior intellect. Thank you for raising the standard of this forum. And apparently the use of nicknames (mispelled words) has given you a cause worthy of your time. And we all thank you fro attempting to bring us up to your level. We praise you oh wonderful spelling QUEEN.

BTW didn't you just love that Che flag? Seems that you just might be one of those librul, dimocrat, debil worshipers. Or an osama Obama follower. Seems to be the same thing.

Don't like my posts? Put me on ignore and move on. I'm sure it will give your blood pressure a rest.

Otherwise, carry on. I am bored and swapping words with a damn genius just makes my day.

[TitanTiger 20,511]

Point of clarification: what is "osama Obama" supposed to be conveying about him?

[autiger4life 3]

Yes and we are so lucky to have you here to inject a superior intellect. Thank you for raising the standard of this forum. And apparently the use of nicknames (mispelled words) has given you a cause worthy of your time. And we all thank you fro attempting to bring us up to your level. We praise you oh wonderful spelling QUEEN.

BTW didn't you just love that Che flag? Seems that you just might be one of those librul, dimocrat, debil worshipers. Or an osama Obama follower. Seems to be the same thing.

Don't like my posts? Put me on ignore and move on. I'm sure it will give your blood pressure a rest.

Otherwise, carry on. I am bored and swapping words with a damn genius just makes my day.

You were the first to call me educated, I just continued it. As far as spelling queen, that would be me telling you that you spelled "for" incorrectly. However I understand it was a mistake that we all make and you did not intend it. It is the purposely misspelled words that I found stupid, but once again all I said was if you want anyone to take you serious it probably isn't a good idea, but your choice.

As far as the flag, I have made my opinion clear on that. I am an Obama follower but I don't feel that a Che follower is the same as an Obama follower. But hey, wouldn't want to argue with your logic, falling on deaf ears is a nice way to put it.

As I said, I enjoy the post. It certainly is a good rest from a real debate.

As far as being a damn genius, I appreciate the compliment. It means a lot coming from you. I know you wouldn't say it if you didn't mean it.

[AFTiger 282]

More on the flag lady.

Video

[AURaptor 1,126]

More on the flag lady.

Video

What's the point of watching MORE of the interview when it's clear the dingbat Isabella wasn't going to say much of anything? She says she was born in Cuba, but when did she escape ? Did her parents bring her over from the original wave of refugees escaping Fidel's blood bath ? If she loves Fidel so much, why doesn't that Che lovin' ( bleep ) float her ample a$$ back to Cuba and live the dream ?

[aumd03 2]

Here are a few articles from a UK paper about their socialized medicine:

Long wait times

Lagging in cancer treatments

Lag in treating stroke victims

Banning smokers and obese from health care system

Cancer patients told treatments cost too much

Even getting in to see a dentist is tough

Rationing health care to save money

Which candidate is advocating "socialized medicine?"

Whats the next step? We already have govt sponsored insurance programs. We are already a long ways from free-market health care.

I'm sorry, doctor. You wrote three sentences but I don't see a candidates name in them. Let's put this "socialized medicine" strawman to rest and discuss what has been proposed, not what opponents pretend to have been proposed.

Senator Clinton has already proposed plans for more socialized medicine. My point was that we are already going down that road and although it may not be socialized medicine by name, it is in principle.

Here's a good example of what happens when government control gets involved in medicine. http://covertrationingblog.com/general-rat...signated-driver

I don't think most people realize we are already reimbursed based on a performance scale. We are judged based on cholesterol levels, hemoglobin A1c ( a long term measure of blood glucose levels) and blood pressure. But recent studies have shown that we are indeed killing more people by working hard to meet govt standards and dropping HbA1c levels too low. Payments are decreasing so physicians must see more patients to cover overhead and spend less time with each patient. Studies have shown that more time with patients is actually cost effective and saves and decreases hospital admissions. More and more physicians are pursuing "retainer medicine" as a result, but if you treat someone with insurance, you can be prosecuted for acting as a unrestricted insurance company. I recently met a physician that said $20 a month from each patient in his practice would cover his costs and allow him to practice better medicine. How many of you would like to pay $20 a month per person to a physician to "retain" him or her as your personal physician. I'm sure many of you pay more for yourself alone than this system would cost your entire family. But we won't allow free market economics to rule.

I think our health care woes may be as much social commentary as anything. We are a society that wants the best but aren't willing to pay for it. We want everything in an immediate solution, such as a pill for weight loss rather than diet and exercise. We have a high sense of entitlement but a low sense of responsibility. I see people that have no problem spending $20k on a new car, but think health care should be free. Sure, many times health costs exceed that, but it would be much cheaper to have catastrophic insurance than the current system. Our bureaucracy is costing us right now.

You're talking about oversight. Private insurers do this as well so it isn't a governmental anomaly. When BCBS does it, I can guarantee you it is almost always done to decrease reimbursements rather than to promote better medical care.

As for your friend, my bet is that he or she is a general practitioner and not a cardiologist, orthopaedist or other specialist because none of them would accept only $20 per month for their services. Furthermore, that $20 per month your friend claims wouldn't begin to cover his patient in the hospital.

Clinton, nor anyone else, is proposing a plan of "socialized medicine" like is always bandied about in this forum. They're proposing plans to provide affordable health insurance for everyone. "Socialized medicine" is a strawman.

Yes, my friend is a family physician. And the insurance coverage is for meds and hospital admissions only and she does not bill the patient for services rendered in the hospital. Many retainer medicine docs are charging yearly fees on the order of $1K. You only need 200-300 patients total to make ends meet. Many current physicians see 300 patients a week.

I'm not sure how socialized medicine is a strawman and both terms are poorly defined. My intepretation of Sen. Clinton's plan was a govt sponsored insurance that would set reimbursement prices, drug prices, and limit access to specialists through the primary care provider. Our current medical system is almost there already. Many patients with medicaid that show up to the ER for non-urgent visits must be ok'd by their primary care doc before being seen and treated.

Yes, its government oversight. Its also pay for performance. Patients are non-compliant. They aren't always going to follow what we say. Yet we are punished for their problems. My solution, dump them. I can't afford non-compliant patients. Its cold blooded, but govt oversight has mandated it. So guess where they will end up? Urgent care and ER's because no GP will see them, thus increasing the cost of medical care. No other insurance is pay for performance, only medicare. The govt also sets the standards and pay rates that other insurances follow. The only issue with BC/BS i can remember was prior authorization for imaging studies. There was so much patient blowback from delays trying to get studies cleared they backed off for fear of losing clients. There's not the same competition from a govt insurance program.

[channonc 466]

I agree the flag was not a great move on her part. But what more do you want the Obama campaign to do? They have clearly stated that this is an independent volunteer office, to my knowledge they don't receive any official campaign money or official support from the real Obama campaign. The spokesman they interviewed even said her actions do not represent Obama's views on Cuba.

To be outraged by the woman is fine, to allow this person's messed up views to reflect those of Obama's is going overboard. JMO.

[CCTAU 3,346]

I agree the flag was not a great move on her part. But what more do you want the Obama campaign to do? They have clearly stated that this is an independent volunteer office, to my knowledge they don't receive any official campaign money or official support from the real Obama campaign. The spokesman they interviewed even said her actions do not represent Obama's views on Cuba.

To be outraged by the woman is fine, to allow this person's messed up views to reflect those of Obama's is going overboard. JMO.

To a point you are correct. But the response from Obama is the same one we get from muslims every time a bomb goes off. All he had to say was that he has no idea who she is and that if she is a supporter of a murderous bastard like Che, then he would prefer not to have her vote. But that didn't happen. He continues to whore for every little vote. Even one from a Che supporter. His denunciation of the issue was WAY too mild for the act itself. Don't want to piss off the Cuban voters now do we?

Has this follow-up been posted?

Who is this woman?

[Tigermike 3,054]

As usual more information is now available.

Sadly, in everyone's rush to slam Obama as something he's not, this caption was sitting right underneath the video:

The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.

Hate Obama if you like, but, please, hate him based on facts and stop buying into bullsh!t like this and whether his hand is on his heart or if he's a "closeted" Muslim waiting to conspire with Osama bin Laden.

EXACTLY.

Another attempt to bring down Obama - DEBUNKED.

Not quite.

I agree the flag was not a great move on her part. But what more do you want the Obama campaign to do? They have clearly stated that this is an independent volunteer office, to my knowledge they don't receive any official campaign money or official support from the real Obama campaign. The spokesman they interviewed even said her actions do not represent Obama's views on Cuba.

To be outraged by the woman is fine, to allow this person's messed up views to reflect those of Obama's is going overboard. JMO.

But Obama has met the woman and she does have a blog at his official website. (At least for now.)

The lady that Obama doesn't know

Other interesting tidbits about Ms. Isabel:

* She’s donated $700 (I, II);

http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?28930543697

http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?27931422439

* She has a blog on Barack Obama’s site (which is either being pulled down or is crashing, as of this writing) detailing her extensive efforts on behalf of the campaign;

http://www.barackobama.com/index_a.php

* Last September she organized a “Drum Circle” for Obama which, we are sorry to say, we missed; http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/p...ariaisabel/CWbH

* Oh, on her Flickr photostream, there is this:

Maria & Obama

link

[TitanTiger 20,511]

Did anyone say that Obama didn't know her? I thought the argument was that he didn't know that she was hanging a Cuban-Che flag there.

[Tigermike 3,054]

I have no idea...but I would be willing to bet the minute BO finds out about it, it will be gone and so will those responsible.

The problem I have with these types of posts are that they are done with the intent of branding Obama as embracing people like these when we all know he does not and would not.

Then again, I guess BO needs to start inspecting every campaign HQ and interrogate all of his thousands of supporters/volunteers.

I'm sure there were Bush supporters in '04 with confederate flags, etc. (who knows, maybe even one in a HQ) but that doesn't mean Bush embraces that ideology.

SIGH

Did anyone say that Obama didn't know her? I thought the argument was that he didn't know that she was hanging a Cuban-Che flag there.

You are right he didn't say that Obama didn't know her he said Obama didn't embrace her. But the picture says differently. Obama's website says differently. The dims can throw her under the buss and distance themselves from her all they want, but until her "enthusiasm" was shown Obama had no problems with her.

[autiger4life 3]

When was the picture taken? I would be surprised if it was after this week. Obama takes thousands of pictures with people especially people who are trying to help him out. A picture with them together does not mean that they have sat down and talked politics. There is a good chance it is just a picture that she was lucky enough to get. I think to much is being read into the picture.

[AURaptor 1,126]

I think the big issue here is how most folks don't understand just who Che Guevera was, and what he represents. To the uneducated, he's a " champion of the little people " , a voice for the common man, etc..... Nothing could be further from the truth. Che Guevera was born in Argentina, not Cuba. He was a murderous thug, who longed to be surrounded by the elite upper class of Europe. He was a racist, who viewed blacks as inferior, and he had no real love for the Cubans either.

The bulk of Che's romanticized lore can be summed up in the one iconic photo taken by Alberto Korda, back in 1960. Maryland Institute College of Art called Korda's photo, "The most famous photograph in the world and a symbol of the 20th century."[2]

If the world knew more of the real Che, his image would be less celebrated, and this bimbo wouldn't have a Cuban flag w/ his face on it.