Maher: Democracy's Deathbed

[DKW 86 7,419]

I dont think it is anywhere as bad as what Maher says. Lets see if it fact or just more overblown hyperbole...

 

[I_M4_AU 7,801]

Yep, a lot of hyperbole.  The same could be said after the 2016 election as to not believing the election results, only that was OK because it was true according to the left.  After the 2020 elections, politicians were clamoring that the Republicans will never win another election, as were people on this forum.  Its actually embarrassing to believe democracy will die in a democratic election.  In two years Biden has done almost everything wrong and democracy will correct the issue on Tuesday.  Two more years and democracy will be able to decide if what happens on Tuesday was the right thing.

It appears democracy picked a bad leader two years ago and will be corrected shortly.

[DKW 86 7,419]

12 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Yep, a lot of hyperbole.  The same could be said after the 2016 election as to not believing the election results, only that was OK because it was true according to the left.  After the 2020 elections, politicians were clamoring that the Republicans will never win another election, as were people on this forum.  Its actually embarrassing to believe democracy will die in a democratic election.  In two years Biden has done almost everything wrong and democracy will correct the issue on Tuesday.  Two more years and democracy will be able to decide if what happens on Tuesday was the right thing.

It appears democracy picked a bad leader two years ago and will be corrected shortly.

We have picked bad leaders, IMHO for much of the last 22 years. 

Bush43 was a complete Dumbass that got us into two perpetual wars.
Obama was not that bad but he and Holder turned away from Progs, took the money and got filthy rich. Along the way he was dropping 22K bombs a year. 
trump was trump. Totally unqualified, narcissistic blowhard. He did set the stage for getting out of Afghanistan. The economy was decent, but he betrayed the Kurds and dicked up our foreign policy. He was simply an embarrassment.
Biden: He is truly incompetent, incontinent, demented, gaffe a minute. Cue cards to move on stage? Calls on the dead to speak. Tells us Beau died in a war multiple times. The sconomy is in the toilet, or close. If Kamala wasnt there, he would likely get the 25th Amendment treatment. He did have the balls to end a horrible war. KUDOS FOR THAT!

[I_M4_AU 7,801]

3 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

We have picked bad leaders, IMHO for much of the last 22 years. 

Yes we have and each time we attempted to correct errors.  One problem is we don’t have good, solid people running for office.  We need to get out of the Baby Boomer or older candidates, but they keep getting pulled back in.  Hillary is slinking around, Warren and Bernie are still sniffing around and worst of all Trump still has a following.

Pulling out of Afghanistan was a given no matter who was elected.  His handling of the pull out was classic Biden.

[homersapien 11,367]

Not hyperbolic.

Here's what's coming:

 

[homersapien 11,367]

On 11/5/2022 at 11:03 AM, I_M4_AU said:

Yep, a lot of hyperbole.  The same could be said after the 2016 election as to not believing the election results, only that was OK because it was true according to the left.

 

Care to explain that?  Don't understand what you are referring to.

Trump was elected POTUS in 2016.  Hillary conceded within days later

https://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501425243/watch-live-hillary-clinton-concedes-presidential-race-to-donald-trump 

 

 

[I_M4_AU 7,801]

37 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Care to explain that?  Don't understand what you are referring to.

Trump was elected POTUS in 2016.  Hillary conceded within days later

https://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501425243/watch-live-hillary-clinton-concedes-presidential-race-to-donald-trump 

 

 

BS, she or her minions had recounts and said several times Trump was an illegitimate President.  Did Trump went a few steps too far, I will agree, but to say the left, including Hillary, went quietly into the night is far from reality. 

As to your video you posted;  are we to take a British author and two but hurt journalist as truth tellers?  Did you notice when the CNN guy brought up Hershel Walker and Maher mentioned Ferrerman, the CNN personality acted as if wasn’t relevant.  Pure comedy gold.

If you don’t want Trump to run again, do something about it other than diss the guy.  Indict him, gets better policies or, as the Dems did this election cycle, finance a competitor.  DeSantis would take the financial boost I’m sure.

[homersapien 11,367]

On 11/5/2022 at 11:03 AM, I_M4_AU said:

 After the 2020 elections, politicians were clamoring that the Republicans will never win another election, as were people on this forum.  Its actually embarrassing to believe democracy will die in a democratic election.

 

 

What's embarrassing - actually more like frightening - is that Republicans are apparently fine with Trump running again in 2024, (78% in fact).

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3825

Hell, over 300 Republican candidates in next week's election claim he won in 2020!

So assuming Trump runs in 24 - a fair assumption - it's reasonable to assume he will be nominated. 

So, your last sentence is essentially correct. In 2024, we will be voting on whether or not to put an authoritarian in office. One who's already demonstrated his willingness to ignore the rule of law, and thus, our tradition of a peaceful transfer of power.

(Keep in mind that Mussolini, Hitler, Orban, and Putin were all elected to power.)

It's fine to oppose - or even obsess, in your case - on Biden for whatever reasons. That's just normal politics in this country. 

But Biden is not on the ballet.   Fortunately - at least for you - and assuming the Republicans take control of one or both houses, which seems more and more likely, Biden will become a non-issue.  We'll be spending the next two years in policy gridlock and in fruitless investigations.

So - and I am giving you the benefit of doubt - what should most concern you is the future of the Republican party and who will be their 2024 nominee for POTUS. 

Right now, every indicator suggests that will be Trump and authoritarianism. 

As for me, I sincerely hope Biden chooses not to run in 24.  He's certainly not my first choice and never has been.  But I will vote for any alternative to Trump.  I value our democracy to do otherwise.

 

 

[homersapien 11,367]

15 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

BS, she or her minions had recounts and said several times Trump was an illegitimate President.  Did Trump went a few steps too far, I will agree, but to say the left, including Hillary, went quietly into the night is far from reality.

Saying as many times as you want that the president-elect is illegitimate is arguably disrespectful (or feasible, depending on evidence) but it's not inconsistent with our democracy, especially since she did concede,  which you cannot say for Trump in 2020.

Nor is demanding recounts.

Likewise, our democracy doesn't depend on the losing candidate "going quietly into the night", as long as they are ultimately willing to accept the legitimate results of an election and concede as much publicly.

"Trump went a few steps too far" 

That's funny!   

He went at least two steps too far.  He, 1) refused to admit he lost and then, 2) led a conspiracy to steal the election by hi-jacking the certification process (aka "sedition".)

Hillary is not - and never did - threaten our democracy.  Trump most certain is threatening it.

(The rest of your post was irrelevant or incoherent BS.)

Edited November 6, 2022 by homersapien

[I_M4_AU 7,801]

18 hours ago, homersapien said:

Hell, over 300 Republican candidates in next week's election claim he won in 2020!

How many of these 300 Republican election deniers did the DCCC help finance during the Republican primaries earlier in the year?  From Politico:

A growing number of House Democrats are seething at their own campaign arm for meddling in a GOP primary to promote a pro-Trump election conspiracy theorist — after months of warning that such candidates were a threat to democracy.

In public statements, private chats and complaints taken directly to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, Democratic members are aghast that the committee is spending nearly half a million dollars to air ads boosting Donald Trump-endorsed John Gibbs over Rep. Peter Meijer (R-Mich.), who voted to impeach Trump last year.

“No race is worth compromising your values in that way,” said Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.), who sits on the committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol and Trump’s election-subverting schemes that preceded it.

Democrats, like Murphy, fear the strategy could easily backfire, if a candidate like Gibbs were to win the general election amid a GOP wave — and the party also risks undercutting its own core message about the dangers of MAGA Republicans taking power. It could be harder for Democrats to claim that certain GOP candidates are an existential threat to the country if they are also using party money to push them closer to winning office.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/27/meijer-dccc-trump-primaries-00048104

You can’t make this stuff up, the Dems that swear the Republicans are a threat to democracy helping finance those that are a threat to democracy.
No wait, let me read that again.  🤣

18 hours ago, homersapien said:

But Biden is not on the ballet.   Fortunately - at least for you - and assuming the Republicans take control of one or both houses, which seems more and more likely, Biden will become a non-issue.  We'll be spending the next two years in policy gridlock and in fruitless investigations

No Biden is not on the ballot, but it is a referendum on his administration.  The Democrats are believing their own press releases and the rest of the nation is are not buying it.  News Flash: Biden is already a non-issue.  Why do you think the Dems in tight races are asking Clinton and Obama to stump for them?  🤣. Also, we just spent the last two in a fruitless investigation.  The Democrats have the opportunity to put Trump away and for six years you haven’t come up with anything that can stick.  Time to put up or shut up.

18 hours ago, homersapien said:

So - and I am giving you the benefit of doubt - what should most concern you is the future of the Republican party and who will be their 2024 nominee for POTUS. 

I am concerned, Trump is too as he has started to attack DeSantis calling him DeSanctimonious, funny but stupid.  I hope he is defeated in the primary.

18 hours ago, homersapien said:

Right now, every indicator suggests that will be Trump and authoritarianism.

We are already living in an authoritarian government, you just agree with it.  You know, cram down COVID vaccine mandate, investigating parents as terrorist, EOing policies such as student loan relief, equity at the government level, teaching CRT and Gender Identity is schools.  Why do you think White Suburban Women are moving away from Biden’s authoritarianism?

Wake up.  Get out of your cult worship of a party that is headed in the wrong direction.

[homersapien 11,367]

34 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

How many of these 300 Republican election deniers did the DCCC help finance during the Republican primaries earlier in the year?  From Politico:

A growing number of House Democrats are seething at their own campaign arm for meddling in a GOP primary to promote a pro-Trump election conspiracy theorist — after months of warning that such candidates were a threat to democracy.

In public statements, private chats and complaints taken directly to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, Democratic members are aghast that the committee is spending nearly half a million dollars to air ads boosting Donald Trump-endorsed John Gibbs over Rep. Peter Meijer (R-Mich.), who voted to impeach Trump last year.

“No race is worth compromising your values in that way,” said Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.), who sits on the committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol and Trump’s election-subverting schemes that preceded it.

Democrats, like Murphy, fear the strategy could easily backfire, if a candidate like Gibbs were to win the general election amid a GOP wave — and the party also risks undercutting its own core message about the dangers of MAGA Republicans taking power. It could be harder for Democrats to claim that certain GOP candidates are an existential threat to the country if they are also using party money to push them closer to winning office.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/27/meijer-dccc-trump-primaries-00048104

You can’t make this stuff up, the Dems that swear the Republicans are a threat to democracy helping finance those that are a threat to democracy.

 

While I understand their thinking for doing it, I agree with your take.

They overestimated the intelligence - or in this case - patriotism of the American people. The price of gas - or eggs - trumps protecting our democracy.  (no pun intended)

[homersapien 11,367]

40 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

No Biden is not on the ballot, but it is a referendum on his administration.  The Democrats are believing their own press releases and the rest of the nation is are not buying it.  News Flash: Biden is already a non-issue.  Why do you think the Dems in tight races are asking Clinton and Obama to stump for them?  🤣. Also, we just spent the last two in a fruitless investigation.  The Democrats have the opportunity to put Trump away and for six years you haven’t come up with anything that can stick.  Time to put up or shut up.

"Fruitless investigations"? 

Are you trying to say the investigations were not justified or they just failed to convict Trump.  I certainly agree with the latter, but that's at the feet of Republicans, not Democrats.

And you need to realize that justice is very slow, especially in the political arena.  You have unrealistic expectations for the ability of Democrats to put this to rest in a time frame that will prevent Trump from running again.  It's still possible, but unlikely.  If nothing else, Trump is an expert at stringing out his legal difficulties.

[homersapien 11,367]

46 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

I am concerned, Trump is too as he has started to attack DeSantis calling him DeSanctimonious, funny but stupid.  I hope he is defeated in the primary.

Sure you do. 

I'd just as soon he won - but then, I'd be making the same mistake the DNC made in supporting MAGA deniers. 

[homersapien 11,367]

 

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

We are already living in an authoritarian government, you just agree with it.  You know, cram down COVID vaccine mandate, investigating parents as terrorist, EOing policies such as student loan relief, equity at the government level, teaching CRT and Gender Identity is schools.  Why do you think White Suburban Women are moving away from Biden’s authoritarianism?

Wake up.  Get out of your cult worship of a party that is headed in the wrong direction.

BS   Authoritarianism is not represented by a well-intentioned over-reach or clumsy execution on what is basically good public health policy. 

Had Covid turned out to be more deadly than it was,or something along the lines of polio you'd be singing the praises of it.  (Don't remember a lot of resistance to the polio vaccine, which just goes to demonstrate the effects of social media on our culture.)

Likewise there's nothing wrong with looking into instances of threatening public officials at meeting.  CRT is not being taught, and "gender identity" is nothing but a made up, imaginary threat.

Obviously, you are the one suffering from buy-in to a "cult party".

And if the Democratic party is perceived my a majority of voters as "moving in the wrong direction" they will start losing elections, starting tomorrow.   If they don't sway perceptions by 2024 they will lose again.

But, unlike Republicans, Democrats will concede those elections after they are legally decided, whereas Republican will not.  That's the determinative factor on which party is authoritarian.  (Duuuuuh!)

[autigeremt 6,599]

Examples in the tennis match above of show how this country is a crap show. The Two-Party Parasite lives on.

[homersapien 11,367]

4 minutes ago, autigeremt said:

Examples in the tennis match above of show how this country is a crap show. The Two-Party Parasite lives on.

Apparently, that's all our system will tolerate.

(But I appreciate the tennis analogy.  That used to be my sport when I was younger.  Only wish I started playing it earlier - instead of football.)

 

[autigeremt 6,599]

24 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Apparently, that's all our system will tolerate.

(But I appreciate the tennis analogy.  That used to be my sport when I was younger.  Only wish I started playing it earlier - instead of football.)

 

I used to enjoy it myself. Great cardio 

[pensacolatiger 313]

22 hours ago, homersapien said:

 

What's embarrassing - actually more like frightening - is that Republicans are apparently fine with Trump running again in 2024, (78% in fact).

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3825

Hell, over 300 Republican candidates in next week's election claim he won in 2020!

So assuming Trump runs in 24 - a fair assumption - it's reasonable to assume he will be nominated. 

So, your last sentence is essentially correct. In 2024, we will be voting on whether or not to put an authoritarian in office. One who's already demonstrated his willingness to ignore the rule of law, and thus, our tradition of a peaceful transfer of power.

(Keep in mind that Mussolini, Hitler, Orban, and Putin were all elected to power.)

It's fine to oppose - or even obsess, in your case - on Biden for whatever reasons. That's just normal politics in this country. 

But Biden is not on the ballet.   Fortunately - at least for you - and assuming the Republicans take control of one or both houses, which seems more and more likely, Biden will become a non-issue.  We'll be spending the next two years in policy gridlock and in fruitless investigations.

So - and I am giving you the benefit of doubt - what should most concern you is the future of the Republican party and who will be their 2024 nominee for POTUS. 

Right now, every indicator suggests that will be Trump and authoritarianism. 

As for me, I sincerely hope Biden chooses not to run in 24.  He's certainly not my first choice and never has been.  But I will vote for any alternative to Trump.  I value our democracy to do otherwise.

 

 

Hitler was elected during a socialist movement.  He could have never centralized power under the old German Republic system.  He needed socialism/centralization before he could become a full dictator.  Just adding some context for your reflection……

[AUFAN78 3,894]

On 11/5/2022 at 9:47 AM, DKW 86 said:

I dont think it is anywhere as bad as what Maher says. Lets see if it fact or just more overblown hyperbole...

 

I agree with you. I don't think it is headed in the path he predicts. Hope we are correct.

But I really like Bill. Funny, witty dude.

Edited November 7, 2022 by AUFAN78

[homersapien 11,367]

7 hours ago, autigeremt said:

I used to enjoy it myself. Great cardio 

Also a terrific release for aggressive instincts - equal to contact sports - like football.