finxster 4 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I think this discussion needs to a change of focus. This is not about church and state or Christian and atheist. It's about people poking their nose into things that are not their business in any way, shape, or form and trying to make people change to meet their definition of a perfect world. That kind of crap needs to stop in our society. Exactly! Quit pushing the christian agenda down everyone's throat and into every single piece of society...oh not what you meant??? Or you could quit pushing your atheist agenda down everyone's throat. Works both ways bud. I can continue to push my SECULAR agenda, because it is the law of the land. Please feel free to be a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Pastafarian, or whatever...in your own home and in the comfort of your mind. My apologies for assuming you were atheist when I saw your "mystical Christian God" comment and contrary to what you just said, Christians are called to go across the world and proclaim the name of Jesus. Therefore most of the time Christians don't stick to their homes and minds when it comes to their faith. LOL! Now please look at the irony of your post... It's about people poking their nose into things that are not their business in any way, shape, or form and trying to make people change to meet their definition of a perfect world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytonAU 4,606 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I think this discussion needs to a change of focus. This is not about church and state or Christian and atheist. It's about people poking their nose into things that are not their business in any way, shape, or form and trying to make people change to meet their definition of a perfect world. That kind of crap needs to stop in our society. Exactly! Quit pushing the christian agenda down everyone's throat and into every single piece of society...oh not what you meant??? Or you could quit pushing your atheist agenda down everyone's throat. Works both ways bud. I can continue to push my SECULAR agenda, because it is the law of the land. Please feel free to be a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Pastafarian, or whatever...in your own home and in the comfort of your mind. My apologies for assuming you were atheist when I saw your "mystical Christian God" comment and contrary to what you just said, Christians are called to go across the world and proclaim the name of Jesus. Therefore most of the time Christians don't stick to their homes and minds when it comes to their faith. LOL! Now please look at the irony of your post... It's about people poking their nose into things that are not their business in any way, shape, or form and trying to make people change to meet their definition of a perfect world. Seriously, I'd like to know what that has to do with anything I said in my prior post... Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,973 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Someone once told me that you don't get ahead arguing either religion or politics...especially on the internet. I'm beginning to believe it. That said, I stand with Brother Chette. That is not true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passthebiscuits 6,855 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It all boils down to this: Atheists want a "Christian" free world. How many other beliefs have they gone after? It's not that difficult to see their agenda. We have a winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimesAU 89 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It all boils down to this: Atheists want a "Christian" free world. How many other beliefs have they gone after? It's not that difficult to see their agenda. We have a winner! Bless yalls hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finxster 4 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It all boils down to this: Atheists want a "Christian" free world. How many other beliefs have they gone after? It's not that difficult to see their agenda. We have a winner! It all boils down to this: Christians want an Every other religion/non-religion free world. How many other beliefs have they not gone after? It's not that difficult to see their agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarNole 141 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I stand with Brother Chette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaitopher 807 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Wish the mods would lock this page. Getting ridiculous. All of you guys are just blabbering endless gibberish. All I hear is blah blah blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimesAU 89 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It all boils down to this: Atheists want a "Christian" free world. How many other beliefs have they gone after? It's not that difficult to see their agenda. We have a winner! It all boils down to this: Christians want an Every other religion/non-religion free world. How many other beliefs have they not gone after? It's not that difficult to see their agenda. I get so tired of those atheists coming to my door and shoving their pamphlets down my throat. Their agenda is so obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle84 0 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I think this discussion needs to a change of focus. This is not about church and state or Christian and atheist. It's about people poking their nose into things that are not their business in any way, shape, or form and trying to make people change to meet their definition of a perfect world. That kind of crap needs to stop in our society. Exactly! Quit pushing the christian agenda down everyone's throat and into every single piece of society...oh not what you meant??? Or you could quit pushing your atheist agenda down everyone's throat. Works both ways bud. I can continue to push my SECULAR agenda, because it is the law of the land. Please feel free to be a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Pastafarian, or whatever...in your own home and in the comfort of your mind. What many people don't seem to get is that Christianity is not just about what you believe "in the comfort of your mind." Those of us who are Christians are called to live out our faith in the world around us. That is why innumerable acts of charity are done every day in the name of Christ. We are not perfect. We fall short -- sometimes disastrously so -- but if you tell me I am free to be a Christian, then I also must be free to express that. We do try to persuade, but no one is trying to use force to convert anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU-24 3,103 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I think this discussion needs to a change of focus. This is not about church and state or Christian and atheist. It's about people poking their nose into things that are not their business in any way, shape, or form and trying to make people change to meet their definition of a perfect world. That kind of crap needs to stop in our society. I guarantee you, if Brother Chette felt that his presence was a detriment to a single player on the team, he would rectify the situation. ALL he cares about is the lives of these young men, and the fact that any group would attack him because of a title he carries, his personal beliefs, and the fact that he leads prayer, something that nearly every football team has done since the inception of college football, just shows you that they have an agenda and it's not a positive one. We seriously need a legal statute that expressly prohibits personal offense as having any legal standing. People need to grow up and learn to accept that all kinds of people have all kinds of beliefs and all kinds of opinions and none of them need to be stopped unless they they are bringing actual, definable harm to someone, either physical, or by denying them an actual right. The right to not listen to a prayer or look at a symbol of any kind, I might add, does not exist. ^This^So many people preach "liberal tolerance" as long as what they want tolerated fits their philosophical beliefs. As soon as the subject is the least bit Christian or Conservative, their liberal tolerance goes right out the window! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finxster 4 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It all boils down to this: Atheists want a "Christian" free world. How many other beliefs have they gone after? It's not that difficult to see their agenda. We have a winner! It all boils down to this: Christians want an Every other religion/non-religion free world. How many other beliefs have they not gone after? It's not that difficult to see their agenda. I get so tired of those atheists coming to my door and shoving their pamphlets down my throat. Their agenda is so obvious. If you don't like it, move to another country! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimesAU 89 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It all boils down to this: Atheists want a "Christian" free world. How many other beliefs have they gone after? It's not that difficult to see their agenda. We have a winner! via Imgflip Meme Maker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passthebiscuits 6,855 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 An atheist, a Vegan and a crossfitter walk into a room...which one tells you about themselves first? War Eagle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,153 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Wish the mods would lock this page. Getting ridiculous. All of you guys are just blabbering endless gibberish. All I hear is blah blah blah. Nah. Move and merge with the thread in politically speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaitopher 807 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 An atheist, a Vegan and a crossfitter walk into a room...which one tells you about themselves first? War Eagle! most definitely the cross-fitter, although they would do so by telling you about their most recent diet or cross fit competition, then make you feel really bad about yourself. The atheist would only tell you once a political discussion about the separation of church and state began and the vegan would never tell you because she didn't gave enough energy to speak and couldn't get her mind off if that hamburger she was craving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,153 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Unsurprisingly, I think many of you are missing the point. This group doesn't care if the players practice their religion, they're more concerned with the fact that an authority figure at a public university is leading these players in worship. Whether Chette is paid by the university or not, he's clearly supported by the university as well as the coaching staff. I think their concern is for the players who (probably very privately) might not share these beliefs and feel uncomfortable/ostracized. Believe it or not, not everyone shares yalls beliefs, nor do they have to. I know this thread is all about high-fiving for Jesus but try...just try...to look at this from the perspective of someone who doesn't share your beliefs. I allow my players to pray every single time they step on the field/court but do I ,or anyone else in a position of authority, lead them? No way. Do I think that a pastor should be available to the athletes? Sure, but there should be a system of support available to players of all beliefs and nonbeliefs. Flame on. I'm getting lost in the back and forth of this thread, but I think Chimes knocked this out of the park and frankly am surprised there has been harsh negative responses to it by people whom I assume are college graduates. It is a respectful, rational, and open-minded post, IMO. How would people feel if Bruce Pearl had a Rabbi lead the bball team in prayer before and after games? Not all the players are Jewish, but not all the football players are Christian either... Yeah, I was pretty much just going to watch from afar until Weegs decided to be That Guy. Don't be That Guy, Weegs. Nobody likes That Guy. That's the problem brother, no one has the stones to step up and BE that guy. Not that guy. THAT guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnthePlains 2,014 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 An atheist, a Vegan and a crossfitter walk into a room...which one tells you about themselves first? War Eagle! Ridiculous hypothetical...a crossfitter would never WALK into a room! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I think this discussion needs to a change of focus. This is not about church and state or Christian and atheist. It's about people poking their nose into things that are not their business in any way, shape, or form and trying to make people change to meet their definition of a perfect world. That kind of crap needs to stop in our society. I guarantee you, if Brother Chette felt that his presence was a detriment to a single player on the team, he would rectify the situation. ALL he cares about is the lives of these young men, and the fact that any group would attack him because of a title he carries, his personal beliefs, and the fact that he leads prayer, something that nearly every football team has done since the inception of college football, just shows you that they have an agenda and it's not a positive one. We seriously need a legal statute that expressly prohibits personal offense as having any legal standing. People need to grow up and learn to accept that all kinds of people have all kinds of beliefs and all kinds of opinions and none of them need to be stopped unless they they are bringing actual, definable harm to someone, either physical, or by denying them an actual right. The right to not listen to a prayer or look at a symbol of any kind, I might add, does not exist. Check mate. Well said. +1. It's a whole lot easier to feel this way when your viewpoint is the dominant one. My viewpoint about pretty much anything has never been the dominant one. I just learned many years ago that life is a lot better when you realize that everyone doesn't have to agree with you for you to be happy with who you are. Living life as a victim is just a recipie for never being happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I think this discussion needs to a change of focus. This is not about church and state or Christian and atheist. It's about people poking their nose into things that are not their business in any way, shape, or form and trying to make people change to meet their definition of a perfect world. That kind of crap needs to stop in our society. Exactly! Quit pushing the christian agenda down everyone's throat and into every single piece of society...oh not what you meant??? No, quit pushing ANY agenda down anyone's throat... that includes anti-agendas. It's really simple. You, sir, have a very large chip on your shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,392 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Unsurprisingly, I think many of you are missing the point. This group doesn't care if the players practice their religion, they're more concerned with the fact that an authority figure at a public university is leading these players in worship. Whether Chette is paid by the university or not, he's clearly supported by the university as well as the coaching staff. I think their concern is for the players who (probably very privately) might not share these beliefs and feel uncomfortable/ostracized. Believe it or not, not everyone shares yalls beliefs, nor do they have to. I know this thread is all about high-fiving for Jesus but try...just try...to look at this from the perspective of someone who doesn't share your beliefs. I allow my players to pray every single time they step on the field/court but do I ,or anyone else in a position of authority, lead them? No way. Do I think that a pastor should be available to the athletes? Sure, but there should be a system of support available to players of all beliefs and nonbeliefs. Flame on. So much fail. You really showed me. You post that crap and then expect something better? Weegs, that was not "crap" and you know it. It was a reasoned response that makes total sense. What sentence would you pick out as "crap"? I don't know, maybe where he contradicted himself by saying that no one in a position of authority should lead players, but that a pastor should be made available? And Chette isn't even in a position of authority. He's right. None of the coaches should be leading prayers, at least as part of a team activity. But there is nothing wrong with making pastors (of any faith) or counselors available to members of the team. And Chette, because of his unique and authorized position, most certainly is in a position of authority, even if by just association. Having said that, I don't think Auburn is doing anything illegal or even wrong, but the potential is there to create a coercive atmosphere. I would like to think the coaching staff is too professional to allow their religious prejudices to cloud their decisions regarding individuals or the team, but considering the visibility of Chet and the exclusively Christian-oriented influence of the FCA in the program, it is not unreasonable for FFR to ask for information. To me, it's more disturbing to see the reaction of some who are obviously too invested personally from a religious standpoint to see this objectively. This is not an "attack" on Christianity. :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,392 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I think this discussion needs to a change of focus. This is not about church and state or Christian and atheist. It's about people poking their nose into things that are not their business in any way, shape, or form and trying to make people change to meet their definition of a perfect world. That kind of crap needs to stop in our society. Exactly! Quit pushing the christian agenda down everyone's throat and into every single piece of society...oh not what you meant??? Or you could quit pushing your atheist agenda down everyone's throat. Works both ways bud. I can continue to push my SECULAR agenda, because it is the law of the land. Please feel free to be a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Pastafarian, or whatever...in your own home and in the comfort of your mind. What many people don't seem to get is that Christianity is not just about what you believe "in the comfort of your mind." Those of us who are Christians are called to live out our faith in the world around us. That is why innumerable acts of charity are done every day in the name of Christ. We are not perfect. We fall short -- sometimes disastrously so -- but if you tell me I am free to be a Christian, then I also must be free to express that. We do try to persuade, but no one is trying to use force to convert anyone. No one has suggested that. Thankfully, Christians have dropped that from their repertoire in modern times. This is more about institutional and/or social coercion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujeff11 6,243 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Unsurprisingly, I think many of you are missing the point. This group doesn't care if the players practice their religion, they're more concerned with the fact that an authority figure at a public university is leading these players in worship. Whether Chette is paid by the university or not, he's clearly supported by the university as well as the coaching staff. I think their concern is for the players who (probably very privately) might not share these beliefs and feel uncomfortable/ostracized. Believe it or not, not everyone shares yalls beliefs, nor do they have to. I know this thread is all about high-fiving for Jesus but try...just try...to look at this from the perspective of someone who doesn't share your beliefs. I allow my players to pray every single time they step on the field/court but do I ,or anyone else in a position of authority, lead them? No way. Do I think that a pastor should be available to the athletes? Sure, but there should be a system of support available to players of all beliefs and nonbeliefs. Flame on. So much fail. You really showed me. You post that crap and then expect something better? Weegs, that was not "crap" and you know it. It was a reasoned response that makes total sense. What sentence would you pick out as "crap"? I don't know, maybe where he contradicted himself by saying that no one in a position of authority should lead players, but that a pastor should be made available? And Chette isn't even in a position of authority. He's right. None of the coaches should be leading prayers, at least as part of a team activity. But there is nothing wrong with making pastors (of any faith) or counselors available to members of the team. And Chette, because of his unique and authorized position, most certainly is in a position of authority, even if by just association. Having said that, I don't think Auburn is doing anything illegal or even wrong, but the potential is there to create a coercive atmosphere. I would like to think the coaching staff is too professional to allow their religious prejudices to cloud their decisions regarding individuals or the team, but considering the visibility of Chet and the exclusively Christian-oriented influence of the FCA in the program, it is not unreasonable for FFR to ask for information. To me, it's more disturbing to see the reaction of some who are obviously too invested personally from a religious standpoint to see this objectively. This is not an "attack" on Christianity. :-\/> Good post Homer. If Chett is indeed an employee of Auburn, Auburn is in the wrong as there is indeed an entanglement of the church and state. Even if Chett receives nothing more than an office for his services and a third party pays his salary, Auburn is still in the wrong. If Chette was a Muslim, half of you would be appealing to the establishment clause, so let's not act like the Christians are the only ones that are being persecuted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It all boils down to this: Atheists want a "Christian" free world. How many other beliefs have they gone after? It's not that difficult to see their agenda. We have a winner! It all boils down to this: Christians want an Every other religion/non-religion free world. How many other beliefs have they not gone after? It's not that difficult to see their agenda. Wrong once again. Please keep going, you are on a roll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimesAU 89 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Unsurprisingly, I think many of you are missing the point. This group doesn't care if the players practice their religion, they're more concerned with the fact that an authority figure at a public university is leading these players in worship. Whether Chette is paid by the university or not, he's clearly supported by the university as well as the coaching staff. I think their concern is for the players who (probably very privately) might not share these beliefs and feel uncomfortable/ostracized. Believe it or not, not everyone shares yalls beliefs, nor do they have to. I know this thread is all about high-fiving for Jesus but try...just try...to look at this from the perspective of someone who doesn't share your beliefs. I allow my players to pray every single time they step on the field/court but do I ,or anyone else in a position of authority, lead them? No way. Do I think that a pastor should be available to the athletes? Sure, but there should be a system of support available to players of all beliefs and nonbeliefs. Flame on. So much fail. You really showed me. You post that crap and then expect something better? Weegs, that was not "crap" and you know it. It was a reasoned response that makes total sense. What sentence would you pick out as "crap"? I don't know, maybe where he contradicted himself by saying that no one in a position of authority should lead players, but that a pastor should be made available? And Chette isn't even in a position of authority. He's right. None of the coaches should be leading prayers, at least as part of a team activity. But there is nothing wrong with making pastors (of any faith) or counselors available to members of the team. And Chette, because of his unique and authorized position, most certainly is in a position of authority, even if by just association. Having said that, I don't think Auburn is doing anything illegal or even wrong, but the potential is there to create a coercive atmosphere. I would like to think the coaching staff is too professional to allow their religious prejudices to cloud their decisions regarding individuals or the team, but considering the visibility of Chet and the exclusively Christian-oriented influence of the FCA in the program, it is not unreasonable for FFR to ask for information. To me, it's more disturbing to see the reaction of some who are obviously too invested personally from a religious standpoint to see this objectively. This is not an "attack" on Christianity. :-\/> +1 and amen to that last paragraph. It really is disturbing how unabashedly narrow-minded people can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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