Craig a candidate for lsu WR coach (update: Done Deal)

[PoetTiger 1,899]

This thread is officially full of the biggest pansy ass pantywastes that ever claimed to be Auburn fans. Is DC a good recruiter? Yes. Can he coach a WR to do anything properly? I haven't seen it. I really hope we have a great season in 2016 and all of you find another team to pull for. You wanna know why DC wasn't promoted? Probably because he couldn't even handle coaching WRs. That's the guy you want running the whole offense...and if not we should fire the head coach and the AD???? You guys are pathetic.

Edit: and it's extremely fitting that NO ONE is calling out DC for leaving. Smh.

Bingo...chicken littles

[auburn4ever 1,266]

One reason Gus hire DC was because he's one of the best recruiter in all of college football. So why then hasn't he done all he can to make sure DC doesn't go anywhere. It's an easy thing to do. Name DC as our OC/QB coach and Gus can still keep Lashlee on as the WR coach.

[FoundationEagle 637]

This thread is officially full of the biggest pansy ass pantywastes that ever claimed to be Auburn fans. Is DC a good recruiter? Yes. Can he coach a WR to do anything properly? I haven't seen it. I really hope we have a great season in 2016 and all of you find another team to pull for. You wanna know why DC wasn't promoted? Probably because he couldn't even handle coaching WRs. That's the guy you want running the whole offense...and if not we should fire the head coach and the AD???? You guys are pathetic.

And Rhett Lashlee is worth keeping instead of Craig? Why? Craig is by far a better recruiter than Lashlee (duh) and has better credentials coaching QBs than Lashlee. I want Craig to be the QB coach (which Lashlee has not proven to be competent at) and Gus to be the OC. Gus is an OC and a very good one. Lashlee is not. It is debatable whether Gus is a competent HC or not.

wde

I don't know who is better, but I do know that Lashlees QBs are (1) a JUCO that brought us to a NC, a head case that no one saw coming, and a freshman that played well but got injured. I'd say he's 2 for 3. As far as receivers, have you not noticed that our receivers are absolutely awful while here yet can play in the pros? You can't promote a guy to OC that has failed at WR coach simply because he recruits...especially over the guy that helped run the offense that got us to a NC. THAT WOULD BE CAREER SUICIDE, not letting a subpar WR coach leave because you won't promote him.

[Altima 200]

This thread is officially full of the biggest pansy ass pantywastes that ever claimed to be Auburn fans. Is DC a good recruiter? Yes. Can he coach a WR to do anything properly? I haven't seen it. I really hope we have a great season in 2016 and all of you find another team to pull for. You wanna know why DC wasn't promoted? Probably because he couldn't even handle coaching WRs. That's the guy you want running the whole offense...and if not we should fire the head coach and the AD???? You guys are pathetic.

And Rhett Lashlee is worth keeping instead of Craig? Why? Craig is by far a better recruiter than Lashlee (duh) and has better credentials coaching QBs than Lashlee. I want Craig to be the QB coach (which Lashlee has not proven to be competent at) and Gus to be the OC. Gus is an OC and a very good one. Lashlee is not. It is debatable whether Gus is a competent HC or not.

wde

I don't know who is better, but I do know that Lashlees QBs are (1) a JUCO that brought us to a NC, a head case that no one saw coming, and a freshman that played well but got injured. I'd say he's 2 for 3. As far as receivers, have you not noticed that our receivers are absolutely awful while here yet can play in the pros? You can't promote a guy to OC that has failed at WR coach simply because he recruits...especially over the guy that helped run the offense that got us to a NC. THAT WOULD BE CAREER SUICIDE, not letting a subpar WR coach leave because you won't promote him.

Laslee had nothing to do with Nick Marshall... Unless you count his digression...?

[WarEagle1983 2,185]

if this happens, we might as well start looking for a new HC and not WR coach

I'm willing to contribute to the Tom Herman fund. If this happens we need to start recruiting him ASAP!

[AUwent 3,767]

^If we don't get rid of JJ, Tom Herman would just suffer the same fate, as others have pointed out.

[imaolgatiger 523]

^If we don't get rid of JJ, Tom Herman would just suffer the same fate, as others have pointed out.

What do you base this off of? Do you have direct knowledge or just internet fodder? How did JJ keep us from winning in 2010 or 2013? I'm not pro or con JJ, but I haven't seen where he has interfered with success.

[auburn4ever 1,266]

Are you saying fire Malzahn and hire Herman as head coach? I go for that plus I'd add this. Keep Craig as OC/QB coach and also keep Garner as DC/DL coach. They were named the top recruiters this year.

[Potatooooooes!! 1,375]

Man this place is just as angry as 247. I agree it's a darn shame, but I'll wait and see how this plays out before grabbing my pitchfork. As someone pointed out though, Mobile is gone. Personally, I don't see Gus surviving this

[auburn4ever 1,266]

DC landed a highly ranked WR group. RL landed a juco QB and a 3* high school QB.

[FoundationEagle 637]

Are you saying fire Malzahn and hire Herman as head coach? I go for that plus I'd add this. Keep Craig as OC/QB coach and also keep Garner as DC/DL coach. They were named the top recruiters this year.

You live for days like this. I hope you enjoy your misery.

[PoetTiger 1,899]

This thread is officially full of the biggest pansy ass pantywastes that ever claimed to be Auburn fans. Is DC a good recruiter? Yes. Can he coach a WR to do anything properly? I haven't seen it. I really hope we have a great season in 2016 and all of you find another team to pull for. You wanna know why DC wasn't promoted? Probably because he couldn't even handle coaching WRs. That's the guy you want running the whole offense...and if not we should fire the head coach and the AD???? You guys are pathetic.

And Rhett Lashlee is worth keeping instead of Craig? Why? Craig is by far a better recruiter than Lashlee (duh) and has better credentials coaching QBs than Lashlee. I want Craig to be the QB coach (which Lashlee has not proven to be competent at) and Gus to be the OC. Gus is an OC and a very good one. Lashlee is not. It is debatable whether Gus is a competent HC or not.

wde

I don't know who is better, but I do know that Lashlees QBs are (1) a JUCO that brought us to a NC, a head case that no one saw coming, and a freshman that played well but got injured. I'd say he's 2 for 3. As far as receivers, have you not noticed that our receivers are absolutely awful while here yet can play in the pros? You can't promote a guy to OC that has failed at WR coach simply because he recruits...especially over the guy that helped run the offense that got us to a NC. THAT WOULD BE CAREER SUICIDE, not letting a subpar WR coach leave because you won't promote him.

Laslee had nothing to do with Nick Marshall... Unless you count his digression...?

Well who did?

[FoundationEagle 637]

Is it a coincidence that AUWent, NewDay22 and A4E are all over this thread? Not in the slightest. I think this is like Christmas for them.

[PoetTiger 1,899]

Are you saying fire Malzahn and hire Herman as head coach? I go for that plus I'd add this. Keep Craig as OC/QB coach and also keep Garner as DC/DL coach. They were named the top recruiters this year.

And then you woke up from your dream

[auburn4ever 1,266]

Very true. Any new head coach would face the same kind of crap. Since Jacobs came out and said he's not going to step down or retire any time soon, then it's up to Jay Gogue and the BOT's to fire Jacobs. If GM doesn't keep coach Craig, our 2016 will start tanking as soon as it's known he's moved to LSU.

[WarEagle1983 2,185]

I realize I am probably about to get slammed but I am not sure why this is a huge issue. Remember back December 2012 - January 2013, how hard did Gus have to work to convince DC to come to AU to begin with. How many times did DC tell Gus no and Gus kept going back because he wanted an AU man on campus with him. Since then how have things progressed? DC is an amazing recruiter probably one of the best on the SEC if not the country but what about his on field coaching? Can anyone sit there and say that the receivers have been the best coached group on the field? The receivers were was the second biggest problem on the field last year outside of QB. Now granted I am not sure Lashlee can handle the OC/QB job but to sit there and honestly say he should be fired and DC promoted is absurd. DC has shown me nothing on the field coaching to prove he is anymore capable that Lashlee at developing players. The receivers have not progressed at all since he came to AU. In fact you could argue that they have regressed and are not as well coached as they were in 2012.

I am not a football coach at any level and never have been. So my experience level is purely anecdotal but I have been in retail management for the last 20 years and one of the biggest lessons I learned in hiring and managing my employees is that if someone wants to leave you do not throw the sink at them to get them to stay. The first time an employee walks into your office and says if you do not do this or if you do not pay me that I am going to quit you let them. They are eventually going to leave anyway so go ahead and rip the band aid off and let them go. The moment you start giving into their demands and letting the employees set policies and pay levels you lose all control over your business and lose all credibility with your other employees. Just my observation from managing people not sure if that translates to how to manage a coaching staff but it works really well managing other types of staffs. Also it should have some relevance since the trend now is to bring in athletic directors with business backgrounds instead of football backgrounds.

Oh one other note since it was brought up by someone else earlier in the thread the Governor of Louisiana did state it is possible that LSU football could be cancelled next year. The state budget impacts all state run institutions regardless if the athletic dept makes a lot of money or not.

http://espn.go.com/c...roposals-passed

No offense 4life but your post shows how little some of you know about AU football and college football programs in general. What DC did for AU football can't be replaced. And screw Gus for letting his ego get into the way again. Gus has put himself on an island by himself now with some of the power brokers at AU.

Chiz 2.0 all again.

No offense taken. However with all due respect, and remember I am saying with all due respect here, your arrogance with thinking that you know more than others because they do not agree with you is the problem with some AU fans. I do agree that what DC did for AU football on the field as a player cannot be replaced, but this is not 1997 and just because what he did on the field as a player cannot be replaced does not mean you sell the farm to keep him on the coaching staff. Because honestly he can be replaced on the coaching staff. He is a top level recruiter no doubt but he is a C level coach, or at least the product the receivers have been putting on the field the last three years is C level. There was not a receiver on the 2015 team that progressed and was any better than they were in 2014. Hell the receivers cost AU the Arkansas game all on their own.

Wasn't the wr play good the two years before that? You're hedging your stats to back up your claims

I would argue that the receiver play was not good before that. You had Sammy making some big time plays then dropping some passes. Outside of Coates and the little Duke contributed what other receiver could you say developed over the last three years? Did Ricardo get better while he was at AU? He had one awesome catch but would you say he progressed? Tony Stevens was a really good recruit he was supposed to have a break out season this year. Did he? Marcus Davis was better as a true freshman than he has been since. I am not hedging my bets I just cannot think of one receiver who has gotten better or progressed over the last three years. Can you? Point out some progression for me? Please if I am missing some quantifiable hard evidence to prove that DC has the receivers playing better in year three than in year one please show me the evidence.

Not sure it's fair to blame CDC for the WR performance. He's leaving precisely because he can't -- isn't allowed -- to coach the way he wants.

Why do you say that he is leaving because they will not let him coach receivers like he wants? That seems silly to me. I go back to the fact that coaching receivers is the same as the line in that you focus on drills, routes, feet, etc.... Nothing groundbreaking in how to coach a position just some are better getting across their message. CDC came to AU knowing that he was not the OC so what changed. In football, the HC has to have someone he feels can finish his sentences and Rhett has been that for Gus and will continue to be that. I am not saying I think Rhett is a great coach or should be the OC but anyone that thought he was going to be pushed aside was kidding himself.

Well, I said not let him coach the way he wants, as opposed to not let him coach the receivers the way he wants. I am just putting two and two together. Obviously, CDC is miffed about something, or he wouldn't be looking into a lateral move to a division rival. And, actually, CDC came to AU as co-offensive coordinator, so I don't think it makes sense to suggest he thought he'd have no input in the offense beyond working on receivers' feet and hands.

i do not disagree with you but this is how I see it. and did not believe anything would change this offseason. Gus is gonna be the OC. When he is away Rhett is his mouthpiece as I think Rhett is his protege. Based on that alone Rhett was not getting replaced, kind of like having your son on staff. Hopefully they all had input on the game plan as well as the support staff, but ultimately Gus's calls the plays. Don't you think that is the same from when CDC was hired so why now the discontent?

I think I'd get pretty tired of feeling limited, and that it would get worse with time, and especially when what's happening isn't working (like last season). If I thought I could do better, but wasn't allowed to, that would be frustrating.

Bingo! Even if Rhett wasn't fired. What harm would it do to give CDC more control over the offense or QBs?

[FoundationEagle 637]

I realize I am probably about to get slammed but I am not sure why this is a huge issue. Remember back December 2012 - January 2013, how hard did Gus have to work to convince DC to come to AU to begin with. How many times did DC tell Gus no and Gus kept going back because he wanted an AU man on campus with him. Since then how have things progressed? DC is an amazing recruiter probably one of the best on the SEC if not the country but what about his on field coaching? Can anyone sit there and say that the receivers have been the best coached group on the field? The receivers were was the second biggest problem on the field last year outside of QB. Now granted I am not sure Lashlee can handle the OC/QB job but to sit there and honestly say he should be fired and DC promoted is absurd. DC has shown me nothing on the field coaching to prove he is anymore capable that Lashlee at developing players. The receivers have not progressed at all since he came to AU. In fact you could argue that they have regressed and are not as well coached as they were in 2012.

I am not a football coach at any level and never have been. So my experience level is purely anecdotal but I have been in retail management for the last 20 years and one of the biggest lessons I learned in hiring and managing my employees is that if someone wants to leave you do not throw the sink at them to get them to stay. The first time an employee walks into your office and says if you do not do this or if you do not pay me that I am going to quit you let them. They are eventually going to leave anyway so go ahead and rip the band aid off and let them go. The moment you start giving into their demands and letting the employees set policies and pay levels you lose all control over your business and lose all credibility with your other employees. Just my observation from managing people not sure if that translates to how to manage a coaching staff but it works really well managing other types of staffs. Also it should have some relevance since the trend now is to bring in athletic directors with business backgrounds instead of football backgrounds.

Oh one other note since it was brought up by someone else earlier in the thread the Governor of Louisiana did state it is possible that LSU football could be cancelled next year. The state budget impacts all state run institutions regardless if the athletic dept makes a lot of money or not.

http://espn.go.com/c...roposals-passed

No offense 4life but your post shows how little some of you know about AU football and college football programs in general. What DC did for AU football can't be replaced. And screw Gus for letting his ego get into the way again. Gus has put himself on an island by himself now with some of the power brokers at AU.

Chiz 2.0 all again.

No offense taken. However with all due respect, and remember I am saying with all due respect here, your arrogance with thinking that you know more than others because they do not agree with you is the problem with some AU fans. I do agree that what DC did for AU football on the field as a player cannot be replaced, but this is not 1997 and just because what he did on the field as a player cannot be replaced does not mean you sell the farm to keep him on the coaching staff. Because honestly he can be replaced on the coaching staff. He is a top level recruiter no doubt but he is a C level coach, or at least the product the receivers have been putting on the field the last three years is C level. There was not a receiver on the 2015 team that progressed and was any better than they were in 2014. Hell the receivers cost AU the Arkansas game all on their own.

Wasn't the wr play good the two years before that? You're hedging your stats to back up your claims

I would argue that the receiver play was not good before that. You had Sammy making some big time plays then dropping some passes. Outside of Coates and the little Duke contributed what other receiver could you say developed over the last three years? Did Ricardo get better while he was at AU? He had one awesome catch but would you say he progressed? Tony Stevens was a really good recruit he was supposed to have a break out season this year. Did he? Marcus Davis was better as a true freshman than he has been since. I am not hedging my bets I just cannot think of one receiver who has gotten better or progressed over the last three years. Can you? Point out some progression for me? Please if I am missing some quantifiable hard evidence to prove that DC has the receivers playing better in year three than in year one please show me the evidence.

Not sure it's fair to blame CDC for the WR performance. He's leaving precisely because he can't -- isn't allowed -- to coach the way he wants.

Why do you say that he is leaving because they will not let him coach receivers like he wants? That seems silly to me. I go back to the fact that coaching receivers is the same as the line in that you focus on drills, routes, feet, etc.... Nothing groundbreaking in how to coach a position just some are better getting across their message. CDC came to AU knowing that he was not the OC so what changed. In football, the HC has to have someone he feels can finish his sentences and Rhett has been that for Gus and will continue to be that. I am not saying I think Rhett is a great coach or should be the OC but anyone that thought he was going to be pushed aside was kidding himself.

Well, I said not let him coach the way he wants, as opposed to not let him coach the receivers the way he wants. I am just putting two and two together. Obviously, CDC is miffed about something, or he wouldn't be looking into a lateral move to a division rival. And, actually, CDC came to AU as co-offensive coordinator, so I don't think it makes sense to suggest he thought he'd have no input in the offense beyond working on receivers' feet and hands.

i do not disagree with you but this is how I see it. and did not believe anything would change this offseason. Gus is gonna be the OC. When he is away Rhett is his mouthpiece as I think Rhett is his protege. Based on that alone Rhett was not getting replaced, kind of like having your son on staff. Hopefully they all had input on the game plan as well as the support staff, but ultimately Gus's calls the plays. Don't you think that is the same from when CDC was hired so why now the discontent?

I think I'd get pretty tired of feeling limited, and that it would get worse with time, and especially when what's happening isn't working (like last season). If I thought I could do better, but wasn't allowed to, that would be frustrating.

Bingo! Even if Rhett wasn't fired. What harm would it do to give CDC more control over the offense or QBs?

It was already pointed out that he was coaching JF3 to play QB...Is that not more control of the QBs considering he had none before? Sure seems like more control

Is he supposed to get all the control overnight? I guess we should give him whatever he wants because he can recruit talent whether he's proven he can coach or not...

[17-16 21]

EVERYBODY on this board would want the freedom to hire their own coaches and run the program according to their own beliefs. I have always felt AU should hire the head coach and leave him/her alone. Success or failure is theirs alone. ANY coach that would follow advice of fans or media is not a leader, but a follower.

[PigskinPat 2,579]

I think WDE's frustrations tell us all we need to know about how this went down.

[The Plainsman 948]

Wow folks. I get the hurt feelings and all but dang.

It's pretty clear this has been in motion to some extent for awhile. Both CO-OC's are always looking for different and or better opportunities. If DC wanted more OC responsibility but was not granted that then I get it... He is good to look elsewhere. Gus will have a replacement ready to go in short order. Is that what we want? Clearly not, but the inner workings are apparently all open in communications.

Gus knows he absolutely needs to turn it around next year, So he is certainly making the best decision HE feels HE needs too to get it done. It appears he is going back to his core offense and those that he trust the most in.

Just my two cents.

[AU64 10,122]

EVERYBODY on this board would want the freedom to hire their own coaches and run the program according to their own beliefs. I have always felt AU should hire the head coach and leave him/her alone. Success or failure is theirs alone. ANY coach that would follow advice of fans or media is not a leader, but a follower.

NO-NO-NO....that's way to easy. We have all these people on this board who are way smarter than any coach we could hire...and you are just going to cut them off from helping our coaches make wise decisions? I can't believe I'm reading this. :-\

[The Plainsman 948]

I think WDE's frustrations tell us all we need to know about how this went down.

I truly respect WDE's opinion but I am not so sure about that. I think this one for many is just purely emotional, as well it should be.

Hell, we were all pissed when Malzahn left too.

[auburn4ever 1,266]

Gus' 3 years at Auburn.

12-2, 8-1

8-5, 4-4

7-6, 2-6

Total: 27-13, 14-11

We have a great coach on our hands. Oh yeah, Gus is 1-2 against Alabama.

[WarTiger 3,916]

Is it a coincidence that AUWent, NewDay22 and A4E are all over this thread? Not in the slightest. I think this is like Christmas for them.

It is like christmas for all three of them. They all love when something negative happens with Auburn. They jump right in with both feet and start complaining. No logic, no knowledge, just complaining.

[FoundationEagle 637]

EVERYBODY on this board would want the freedom to hire their own coaches and run the program according to their own beliefs. I have always felt AU should hire the head coach and leave him/her alone. Success or failure is theirs alone. ANY coach that would follow advice of fans or media is not a leader, but a follower.

Agreed. I've felt for a while that either we should change DCs role to ONLY QBs, not OC or try and hire a quality WR coach that is a solid recruiter. I'm not happy to lose his recruiting, but his WR output won't be missed (should he leave). This is likely a lot less of a hit than the angry mob will admit. Now that we have a group of top notch receivers in, it's a good time to have top notch WR coach. If a new WR coach puts a quality product on the field, the recruiting will take care of itself.