Trump rally cancelled in Chicago due to safety concerns

[icanthearyou 4,463]

Poor effort 88.

Your reference does not necessarily limit the discussion. Your looking for an argument, not a discussion.

Asking you to be specific is a problem? Hmmmmm. I am sure there is plenty of information available. First however, I think it would be productive and appropriate to narrow the subject. Refusing to narrow the topic seems like a petty dodge.

[AU_Tiger_88 417]

Poor effort 88.

Your reference does not necessarily limit the discussion. Your looking for an argument, not a discussion.

Asking you to be specific is a problem? Hmmmmm. I am sure there is plenty of information available. First however, I think it would be productive and appropriate to narrow the subject. Refusing to narrow the topic seems like a petty dodge.

BS. I compared the current tactics to the 30s. People chose not to discuss that but try to change the subject of the discussion. I am not the one dodging but you are by typing the above might be that you don't know about the tactics and if so that is fine. I shouldn't have to educate you on those though. Either just ignore the post or say something about elaborating on those tactics. But alas, you tend to do the same thing you always do in these topics with the exception of making those mistyped comments...

[AURaptor 1,125]

That's just sick.

It's the truth. When I was at AU back in '88, Dan Quayle came to a pep rally. There may have been a Dukakis fan, here or there, but mostly, the Lefties stayed clear of the crowd. They even flew a sign from the window of Haley Centre, as I recall, which was pretty inane and harmless, even for then. Today , if the something similar were to take place, those same Lefties would be in our faces, shouting, jeering, and causing all sorts of chaos and commotion. Trying to shut down free speech, under the false premise of THEIR free speech.

[homersapien 11,393]

That's just sick.

It's the truth. When I was at AU back in '88, Dan Quayle came to a pep rally. There may have been a Dukakis fan, here or there, but mostly, the Lefties stayed clear of the crowd. They even flew a sign from the window of Haley Centre, as I recall, which was pretty inane and harmless, even for then. Today , if the something similar were to take place, those same Lefties would be in our faces, shouting, jeering, and causing all sorts of chaos and commotion. Trying to shut down free speech, under the false premise of THEIR free speech.

Americans have the right to demonstrate opposition to any political candidate as long as that opposition does not prevent that candidate's right to speech. In the case of a politician promoting division, or a hate group such as the KKK, it is an important duty for thoughtful citizens to demonstrate such language/ideas are not acceptable.

To suggest that wearing a T-shirt as a passive protest makes one "guilty" of disruption "by association" is downright un-American.

You should be ashamed of saying it.

[icanthearyou 4,463]

"BS. I compared the current tactics to the 30s. People chose not to discuss that but try to change the subject of the discussion. I am not the one dodging but you are by typing the above might be that you don't know about the tactics and if so that is fine. I shouldn't have to educate you on those though. Either just ignore the post or say something about elaborating on those tactics. But alas, you tend to do the same thing you always do in these topics with the exception of making those mistyped comments... "

Asking you to be specific is not asking you to educate. If you cannot, okay.

[AURaptor 1,125]

To suggest that wearing a T-shirt as a passive protest makes one "guilty" of disruption "by association" is downright un-American.

You should be ashamed of saying it.

No, not merely " wearing a T- shirt " , but doing so at a rally FOR a particular candidate, while shouting , arguing and "

" ( exactly as Obama told them to do ) ... sorry, they're just asking for it.

If they 're outside, and not interrupting anyone ? Fine. Free country. Go for it. Let your voices be heard.

THAT is true American.

[homersapien 11,393]

To suggest that wearing a T-shirt as a passive protest makes one "guilty" of disruption "by association" is downright un-American.

You should be ashamed of saying it.

No, not merely " wearing a T- shirt " , but doing so at a rally FOR a particular candidate, while shouting , arguing and "

" ( exactly as Obama told them to do ) ... sorry, they're just asking for it.

If they 're outside, and not interrupting anyone ? Fine. Free country. Go for it. Let your voices be heard.

THAT is true American.

Sorta of changing the argument aren't you?

It's clear we were and are talking about passive demonstration. ( See your post #228 and note the post you are replying to. )

We are talking about the equivalent of wearing an anti-Klan t-shirt while standing on the curb with your hands in your pockets watching them go by. You said anyone wearing a t-shirt was "guilty by association".

Now if you want to change, qualify or just withdraw that position, apologize for the confusion and set the record straight. It will be fun to hear considering the post you are responding to.

[AURaptor 1,125]

Sorta of changing the argument aren't you?

It's clear we were and are talking about passive demonstration. The equivalent of wearing an anti-Klan t-shirt while standing on the curb with your hands in your pockets watching them go by. You said anyone wearing a t-shirt was "guilty by association".

No, homer. You're under the false impression that those invading the Trump rallies were quiet, peaceful and respectful, when that clearly is NOT the case. Maybe some where, but other weren't . And in the chaos which was cause by those who weren't peaceful, yeah, maybe some did get caught up. But why were they there ? To objectivley hear Trump, and evaluate w/ an open mind, what his platform was ? No. it was entirely to cause trouble.

Now if you want to change or modify that position, apologize for the confusion and set the record straight. That's what I would do.

The record has been set straight. No apology required.

* ETA - standing OUTSIDE, hands in pockets, looking idly on is completely different than storming INSIDE a rally, causing chaos and baiting Trump supporters.

Be honest, and at least admit that much.

[cole256 17,084]

The left is reverting back to their totalitarian tactics of the 30's politics...shut down free speech and the right to gather by shouting the people who want to attend the rally and inciting violence. There was some interesting news reporters that o'reilly interviewed that attended the event and they gave eye witness accounts of what happened.

Yes sometimes I watch o'reilly (especially in the silly season) but I also watch Morning Joe and gasp listen to some NPR shows...

Lol back in the day Dr King trained people to not attack others no matter being physically assaulted or called everything under the son, but trump supporters can haul off and punch a man when he's not looking and they are the victims....the guy getting punched is inciting violence....hilarious

First off King's time was in the 50's & 60's not the 30's...so nice try. Go back and study the 30's and politics...

Where did I say king was in the 30's? Yeah nice try alright

[homersapien 11,393]

Sorta of changing the argument aren't you?

It's clear we were and are talking about passive demonstration. The equivalent of wearing an anti-Klan t-shirt while standing on the curb with your hands in your pockets watching them go by. You said anyone wearing a t-shirt was "guilty by association".

No, homer. You're under the false impression that those invading the Trump rallies were quiet, peaceful and respectful, when that clearly is NOT the case. Maybe some where, but other weren't . And in the chaos which was cause by those who weren't peaceful, yeah, maybe some did get caught up. But why were they there ? To objectivley hear Trump, and evaluate w/ an open mind, what his platform was ? No. it was entirely to cause trouble.

Now if you want to change or modify that position, apologize for the confusion and set the record straight. That's what I would do.

The record has been set straight. No apology required.

* ETA - standing OUTSIDE, hands in pockets, looking idly on is completely different than storming INSIDE a rally, causing chaos and baiting Trump supporters.

Be honest, and at least admit that much.

I'm not going to waste time with your weaseling. You said what you said. If you can't admit it, that's fine with me.

[AURaptor 1,125]

I'm not going to waste time with your weaseling. You said what you said. If you can't admit it, that's fine with me.

I said EXACTLY what I meant to say, and now you're the one weaseling , homer ! YOU want to twist the narrative to something it isn't and never was. Look at the thread title ! Look at the idiot who tried to storm the stage Trump was on ! That's not " idle t-shirt wearing " crap that you're trying to spin.

Go back and look up my post ( # 258 ) , where I SPECIFICALLY said that those standing OUTside, not causing any problems, were engaging in FREE SPEECH. Hell, if you want to get all bent out of shape on those against true free speech, who was it that gave us ' free speech zones ' ?

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

If anybody laid one finger on him he would be innocent. And you can say I'm delusional but you think there is any difference between how you hate these protesters and how people hated the ones in the past? Yes the point of a protest is that you're going to interrupt something and be heard....

And lastly you can type as many long paragraphs as you want but all you are doing is circling around the fact you don't want to say that those people shouldn't have put their hands on the other people. It's a reason all the racists and hate filled groups are supporting Trump.

And no the protest wouldn't be happening if trump hasn't said the things that he's said and the incident in Chicago wouldn't have happened if these old stupid men who still want slaves would keep their hands to themselves

So in your view you're only innoncent unless somebody retaliates? All you've wanted to talk about is the people retaliating and assaulting protesters. I don't want violence to happen. My position is those who provoke and start the confrontation and instigate things are not innocent. My opinion doesn't change regardless of the people involved or if they actually physically respond.

You seem to only want to hold one side accountable for bad behavior. I'm not picking sides. Both side should be held accountable. I don't buy into the good vs. evil paradigm you do. You completely dismiss the bad on your side yet want to paint the other side as all bad and racist. I don't see either side as all bad.

Who is seeking this out for this to happen? Those who want to be hostile and act hostile shouldn't expect to be treated like they're being peaceful. You can't have it both ways. You say those who are angry or assault people are just racists wanting to own slaves. You don't want to believe that your own side is angry and trying to instigate things.

[AUFAN78 3,911]

I don't know but the only person I saw pepper sprayed is the guy punched....which none of you will even say is wrong btw....And there have been plenty of people escorted out that didn't even speak they just had shirts and signs. And that's a fact.

Ok so, I didn't know the guy you mentioned got pepper sprayed. Why did this happen? Why was he being escorted out? Do you have a link to share? How can I call out something i don't know anything about?

Why would someone not causing a problem be escorted out? Do you have a link to that? It's fact, so there must be a link for you to draw that conclusion. If it happened as you say, it was wrong. Very wrong. But I've not heard of this one either.

The guy that was jumped by the police after being punched was escorted out for not being a trump supporter. There was a man and woman of Arabic decent that were escorted out and they were actually just curious of what trump politics were. And yes I do have a source that's not a national covered story but I personally know of a young lady who attended Alabama A&m and is now in med school at UAB who wears forced to leave a rally and she didn't utter one word but she did wear a shirt. Now you don't have to believe that last one but I haven't ever lied about anything on this board and I certainly wouldn't randomly make that last story up being there are several other national stories of people being mistreated. But if you choose to believe that I made this up I don't understand why but it's your choice.

Lastly before people helped and posted links of the other stories that some of you hadn't heard about it was asked that I provide links and whatnot and after some were provided nobody that asked said anything about the incidents.....so forgive me but I can't help but wonder is that just something to say because like I said nobody has provided any evidence of unruly behavior but it seems that it's not a problem to believe that and run with it

I believe you dude. I just had not heard of all this stuff. And the incidents you mentioned seem insane. I have an awful hard time comprehending, but then again, this was a Trump rally.

[homersapien 11,393]

If anybody laid one finger on him he would be innocent. And you can say I'm delusional but you think there is any difference between how you hate these protesters and how people hated the ones in the past? Yes the point of a protest is that you're going to interrupt something and be heard....

And lastly you can type as many long paragraphs as you want but all you are doing is circling around the fact you don't want to say that those people shouldn't have put their hands on the other people. It's a reason all the racists and hate filled groups are supporting Trump.

And no the protest wouldn't be happening if trump hasn't said the things that he's said and the incident in Chicago wouldn't have happened if these old stupid men who still want slaves would keep their hands to themselves

So in your view you're only innoncent unless somebody retaliates? All you've wanted to talk about is the people retaliating and assaulting protesters. I don't want violence to happen. My position is those who provoke and start the confrontation and instigate things are not innocent. My opinion doesn't change regardless of the people involved or if they actually physically respond.

You seem to only want to hold one side accountable for bad behavior. I'm not picking sides. Both side should be held accountable. I don't buy into the good vs. evil paradigm you do. You completely dismiss the bad on your side yet want to paint the other side as all bad and racist. I don't see either side as all bad.

Who is seeking this out for this to happen? Those who want to be hostile and act hostile shouldn't expect to be treated like they're being peaceful. You can't have it both ways. You say those who are angry or assault people are just racists wanting to own slaves. You don't want to believe that your own side is angry and trying to instigate things.

Define "provoke" and "start the confrontation".

Does simply showing up in a t-shirt or holding a small sign qualify?

[AUFAN78 3,911]

I don't know but the only person I saw pepper sprayed is the guy punched....which none of you will even say is wrong btw....And there have been plenty of people escorted out that didn't even speak they just had shirts and signs. And that's a fact.

Ok so, I didn't know the guy you mentioned got pepper sprayed. Why did this happen? Why was he being escorted out? Do you have a link to share? How can I call out something i don't know anything about?

Why would someone not causing a problem be escorted out? Do you have a link to that? It's fact, so there must be a link for you to draw that conclusion. If it happened as you say, it was wrong. Very wrong. But I've not heard of this one either.

And I'm sorry I thought you saw the guy being sucker punched, links were provided. That's what I'm talking about calling out. The woman that was attacked as well

Its all good. No i did see the old man sucker punch dude and that was wrong. Period. Quite sure he got charged with assault or something. I did not know about a woman being attacked. Regardless, all this crap is stupid. I mean first, I ain't going to a Trump rally. But, if I somehow lost my sanity and did attend, you can bet I wouldn't be protesting. That's just me. Secondly, if I were a Trump supporter and I saw some fool trying to incite violence or attempting to shut down free speech, I would be smart enough to know cops are there for these folks. They don't need my help.

I've stated this multiple times and I am sticking with it. Use your brain. Vote. It really is that simple regardless of what some partisan fool tells you.

[AUFAN78 3,911]

Maybe Bernie should tell his supporters to stop threatening and vandalizing an old lady's house Link

“I get all these nut cases riding by here going, ‘Feel the Bern,’ ‘[Expletive] the Trump signs.’ I had one guy, yesterday, telling me I was going to die,” Beaty says.

There are a**holes on both sides. Noone has said otherwise. Let me know when Sanders says go out and do this and then offers to pay the legal fee's for the individuals doing it. That is the point that you seem to be missing.

When you're looking for any excuse to justify support of a guy like Trump (even if it's not now, but in a general election as an "anti-Dem" vote), any and all things can be equated to minimize how awful he is.

I think the same could be said about Hilary.

[AUFAN78 3,911]

I don't know but the only person I saw pepper sprayed is the guy punched....which none of you will even say is wrong btw....And there have been plenty of people escorted out that didn't even speak they just had shirts and signs. And that's a fact.

Ok so, I didn't know the guy you mentioned got pepper sprayed. Why did this happen? Why was he being escorted out? Do you have a link to share? How can I call out something i don't know anything about?

Why would someone not causing a problem be escorted out? Do you have a link to that? It's fact, so there must be a link for you to draw that conclusion. If it happened as you say, it was wrong. Very wrong. But I've not heard of this one either.

And why would a member of the press be thrown to the ground? It's a real mystery I tell you.

Did that really happen? Wasn't this proven false?

[icanthearyou 4,463]

Which one?

[AUFAN78 3,911]

I don't know but the only person I saw pepper sprayed is the guy punched....which none of you will even say is wrong btw....And there have been plenty of people escorted out that didn't even speak they just had shirts and signs. And that's a fact.

Ok so, I didn't know the guy you mentioned got pepper sprayed. Why did this happen? Why was he being escorted out? Do you have a link to share? How can I call out something i don't know anything about?

Why would someone not causing a problem be escorted out? Do you have a link to that? It's fact, so there must be a link for you to draw that conclusion. If it happened as you say, it was wrong. Very wrong. But I've not heard of this one either.

Come on 78, get real. There are plenty of examples of peaceful protesters being thrown out of Trump rallies. Outside of Chicago - which was staged IMO - the ones actually being disruptive are in the minority. And even those submit to be thrown out.

http://paxonbothhous...els-of-our.html

If that is indeed happening, it is wrong. Like I told Cole earlier, I am just not seeing these stories.

[AUFAN78 3,911]

There are examples of people who were NOT protesters being subjected to taunting and violence simply because of their appearance. How is that explained?

Those taunting were idiots.

[homersapien 11,393]

I don't know but the only person I saw pepper sprayed is the guy punched....which none of you will even say is wrong btw....And there have been plenty of people escorted out that didn't even speak they just had shirts and signs. And that's a fact.

Ok so, I didn't know the guy you mentioned got pepper sprayed. Why did this happen? Why was he being escorted out? Do you have a link to share? How can I call out something i don't know anything about?

Why would someone not causing a problem be escorted out? Do you have a link to that? It's fact, so there must be a link for you to draw that conclusion. If it happened as you say, it was wrong. Very wrong. But I've not heard of this one either.

The guy that was jumped by the police after being punched was escorted out for not being a trump supporter. There was a man and woman of Arabic decent that were escorted out and they were actually just curious of what trump politics were. And yes I do have a source that's not a national covered story but I personally know of a young lady who attended Alabama A&m and is now in med school at UAB who wears forced to leave a rally and she didn't utter one word but she did wear a shirt. Now you don't have to believe that last one but I haven't ever lied about anything on this board and I certainly wouldn't randomly make that last story up being there are several other national stories of people being mistreated. But if you choose to believe that I made this up I don't understand why but it's your choice.

Lastly before people helped and posted links of the other stories that some of you hadn't heard about it was asked that I provide links and whatnot and after some were provided nobody that asked said anything about the incidents.....so forgive me but I can't help but wonder is that just something to say because like I said nobody has provided any evidence of unruly behavior but it seems that it's not a problem to believe that and run with it

I believe you dude. I just had not heard of all this stuff. And the incidents you mentioned seem insane. I have an awful hard time comprehending, but then again, this was a Trump rally.

There have been instances in which protesters were sitting there holding signs and were accosted. I was watching a video of two teenagers that showed exactly such a scenario but I can't find it. But there are other accounts of people being attacked for no good reason except they identified themselves as Trump protesters.

Now I am not trying to justify anyone who is truly causing a disruption, but a lot of these disruptions are being caused by the Trump supporters reacting violently toward passive protesters.

But my greater point is that showing up at a given political rally or event to show opposition is an important American right of free speech. There have been a lot of statements that make me question if everyone feels that way.

Is that not something we can all agree on?

Who and how many protesters are aggressively trying to disrupt a rally is a completely different question. (Got that, Raptor?) I am talking only about the passive protester as described.

And if you are determined to insist that no such passive protester exists and never has; not a single one. Then take it as a hypothetical. (OK, Raptor?)

[homersapien 11,393]

Maybe Bernie should tell his supporters to stop threatening and vandalizing an old lady's house Link

“I get all these nut cases riding by here going, ‘Feel the Bern,’ ‘[Expletive] the Trump signs.’ I had one guy, yesterday, telling me I was going to die,” Beaty says.

There are a**holes on both sides. Noone has said otherwise. Let me know when Sanders says go out and do this and then offers to pay the legal fee's for the individuals doing it. That is the point that you seem to be missing.

When you're looking for any excuse to justify support of a guy like Trump (even if it's not now, but in a general election as an "anti-Dem" vote), any and all things can be equated to minimize how awful he is.

I think the same could be said about Hilary.

Yep. Tru dat.

[homersapien 11,393]

I don't know but the only person I saw pepper sprayed is the guy punched....which none of you will even say is wrong btw....And there have been plenty of people escorted out that didn't even speak they just had shirts and signs. And that's a fact.

Ok so, I didn't know the guy you mentioned got pepper sprayed. Why did this happen? Why was he being escorted out? Do you have a link to share? How can I call out something i don't know anything about?

Why would someone not causing a problem be escorted out? Do you have a link to that? It's fact, so there must be a link for you to draw that conclusion. If it happened as you say, it was wrong. Very wrong. But I've not heard of this one either.

And why would a member of the press be thrown to the ground? It's a real mystery I tell you.

Did that really happen? Wasn't this proven false?

Seriously? Search "Breitbart reporter". (As an aside, this has caused a complete meltdown at Breitbart.)

[AUFAN78 3,911]

If anybody laid one finger on him he would be innocent. And you can say I'm delusional but you think there is any difference between how you hate these protesters and how people hated the ones in the past? Yes the point of a protest is that you're going to interrupt something and be heard....

And lastly you can type as many long paragraphs as you want but all you are doing is circling around the fact you don't want to say that those people shouldn't have put their hands on the other people. It's a reason all the racists and hate filled groups are supporting Trump.

And no the protest wouldn't be happening if trump hasn't said the things that he's said and the incident in Chicago wouldn't have happened if these old stupid men who still want slaves would keep their hands to themselves

So in your view you're only innoncent unless somebody retaliates? All you've wanted to talk about is the people retaliating and assaulting protesters. I don't want violence to happen. My position is those who provoke and start the confrontation and instigate things are not innocent. My opinion doesn't change regardless of the people involved or if they actually physically respond.

You seem to only want to hold one side accountable for bad behavior. I'm not picking sides. Both side should be held accountable. I don't buy into the good vs. evil paradigm you do. You completely dismiss the bad on your side yet want to paint the other side as all bad and racist. I don't see either side as all bad.

Who is seeking this out for this to happen? Those who want to be hostile and act hostile shouldn't expect to be treated like they're being peaceful. You can't have it both ways. You say those who are angry or assault people are just racists wanting to own slaves. You don't want to believe that your own side is angry and trying to instigate things.

Some good points in there 91.

[AUFAN78 3,911]

I don't know but the only person I saw pepper sprayed is the guy punched....which none of you will even say is wrong btw....And there have been plenty of people escorted out that didn't even speak they just had shirts and signs. And that's a fact.

Ok so, I didn't know the guy you mentioned got pepper sprayed. Why did this happen? Why was he being escorted out? Do you have a link to share? How can I call out something i don't know anything about?

Why would someone not causing a problem be escorted out? Do you have a link to that? It's fact, so there must be a link for you to draw that conclusion. If it happened as you say, it was wrong. Very wrong. But I've not heard of this one either.

The guy that was jumped by the police after being punched was escorted out for not being a trump supporter. There was a man and woman of Arabic decent that were escorted out and they were actually just curious of what trump politics were. And yes I do have a source that's not a national covered story but I personally know of a young lady who attended Alabama A&m and is now in med school at UAB who wears forced to leave a rally and she didn't utter one word but she did wear a shirt. Now you don't have to believe that last one but I haven't ever lied about anything on this board and I certainly wouldn't randomly make that last story up being there are several other national stories of people being mistreated. But if you choose to believe that I made this up I don't understand why but it's your choice.

Lastly before people helped and posted links of the other stories that some of you hadn't heard about it was asked that I provide links and whatnot and after some were provided nobody that asked said anything about the incidents.....so forgive me but I can't help but wonder is that just something to say because like I said nobody has provided any evidence of unruly behavior but it seems that it's not a problem to believe that and run with it

I believe you dude. I just had not heard of all this stuff. And the incidents you mentioned seem insane. I have an awful hard time comprehending, but then again, this was a Trump rally.

There have been instances in which protesters were sitting there holding signs and were accosted. I was watching a video of two teenagers that showed exactly such a scenario but I can't find it. But there are other accounts of people being attacked for no good reason except they identified themselves as Trump protesters.

Now I am not trying to justify anyone who is truly causing a disruption, but a lot of these disruptions are being caused by the Trump supporters reacting violently toward passive protesters.

But my greater point is that showing up at a given political rally or event to show opposition is an important American right of free speech. There have been a lot of statements that make me question if everyone feels that way.

Is that not something we can all agree on?

Who and how many protesters are aggressively trying to disrupt a rally is a completely different question. (Got that, Raptor?) I am talking only about the passive protester as described.

And if you are determined to insist that no such passive protester exists and never has; not a single one. Then take it as a hypothetical. (OK, Raptor?)

Good points Homey. It is truly sad how divided we've become. Damn shame. And it's clearly on both sides of the spectrum. I read a story recently of a man who was not even a Trump supporter, but lived in Chicago wanted to take his family to the rally. After cancellation and upon exiting, him, his wife and 10 year old daughter were cursed and taunted by Trump protesters. Like I've stated previously, Trump should tone down the rhetoric and Bernie ought to calm his klan. realistically, I don't see either happening.