Fort Worth schools jam through new trans policies

[AUUSN 823]

usn's is crazier & far further from the truth. Its not even close.

https://www.google.com/search?q=photos+of+transgender+men&espv=2&biw=1067&bih=543&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwir7P3Y-tnMAhUBlh4KHckoDBkQsAQIGw

Spare us your private time fantasy photos, homer. That has zero to do with THIS topic.

Will someone please give Raptor the attention he is seeking? He really wants to tell everyone what this topic is about.

[AURaptor 1,125]

usn's is crazier & far further from the truth. Its not even close.

https://www.google.c...KHckoDBkQsAQIGw

Spare us your private time fantasy photos, homer. That has zero to do with THIS topic.

Will someone please give Raptor the attention he is seeking? He really wants to tell everyone what this topic is about.

Which is exactly why YOU responded to a post from homer to me... who's the one seeking attention ?

[cooltigger21 0]

Magnet schools are public too. How do they deal with this?

They'll get roped into the same bizzaro construct as everyone else. And families with the ability to do so will withdraw their kids and put them in private schools or homeschool.

I could even see certain cities or towns with the affluence to do so telling the federal gov't to keep their damn money and creating a wholly local district of some sort, making the implicit thread of loss of federal funding a non-issue.

Not exactly the same thing but Hillsdale College won't accept any government money period. No federal student loans, no Pell Grants, nothing. I wish more institutions would do that.

[AUUSN 823]

usn's is crazier & far further from the truth. Its not even close.

https://www.google.c...KHckoDBkQsAQIGw

Spare us your private time fantasy photos, homer. That has zero to do with THIS topic.

Will someone please give Raptor the attention he is seeking? He really wants to tell everyone what this topic is about.

Which is exactly why YOU responded to a post from homer to me... who's the one seeking attention ?

A post that was directed at me. Homer's my homie. You are just a basement dwelling turd.

[AUUSN 823]

Magnet schools are public too. How do they deal with this?

They'll get roped into the same bizzaro construct as everyone else. And families with the ability to do so will withdraw their kids and put them in private schools or homeschool.

I could even see certain cities or towns with the affluence to do so telling the federal gov't to keep their damn money and creating a wholly local district of some sort, making the implicit thread of loss of federal funding a non-issue.

Not exactly the same thing but Hillsdale College won't accept any government money period. No federal student loans, no Pell Grants, nothing. I wish more institutions would do that.

[AURaptor 1,125]

Magnet schools are public too. How do they deal with this?

They'll get roped into the same bizzaro construct as everyone else. And families with the ability to do so will withdraw their kids and put them in private schools or homeschool.

I could even see certain cities or towns with the affluence to do so telling the federal gov't to keep their damn money and creating a wholly local district of some sort, making the implicit thread of loss of federal funding a non-issue.

Not exactly the same thing but Hillsdale College won't accept any government money period. No federal student loans, no Pell Grants, nothing. I wish more institutions would do that.

So, with no response , at all, you post a pic of Rush... why ?

Does he change the fact that Hillsdale doesn't rely on govt money ?

No ?

Complete and total fail on your part, usn.

Again.

[cooltigger21 0]

Magnet schools are public too. How do they deal with this?

They'll get roped into the same bizzaro construct as everyone else. And families with the ability to do so will withdraw their kids and put them in private schools or homeschool.

I could even see certain cities or towns with the affluence to do so telling the federal gov't to keep their damn money and creating a wholly local district of some sort, making the implicit thread of loss of federal funding a non-issue.

Not exactly the same thing but Hillsdale College won't accept any government money period. No federal student loans, no Pell Grants, nothing. I wish more institutions would do that.

So, with no response , at all, you post a pic of Rush... why ?

Does he change the fact that Hillsdales doesn't rely on govt money ?

No ?

Complete and total fail on your part, usn.

Again.

it's what he does. He posts stupid little irrelevant cartoons and such as that. I guess he thinks he's being clever or something. Him and itchy with his babbling little rants are just alike.

[AURaptor 1,125]

Tiny little trolls

[homersapien 11,393]

Magnet schools are public too. How do they deal with this?

They'll get roped into the same bizzaro construct as everyone else. And families with the ability to do so will withdraw their kids and put them in private schools or homeschool.

I could even see certain cities or towns with the affluence to do so telling the federal gov't to keep their damn money and creating a wholly local district of some sort, making the implicit thread of loss of federal funding a non-issue.

Not exactly the same thing but Hillsdale College won't accept any government money period. No federal student loans, no Pell Grants, nothing. I wish more institutions would do that.

So, with no response , at all, you post a pic of Rush... why ?

Does he change the fact that Hillsdale doesn't rely on govt money ?

No ?

Complete and total fail on your part, usn.

Again.

:-\ You have issues....

[channonc 466]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/us/florida-congresswoman-has-personal-stake-in-transgender-debate.html

[AURaptor 1,125]

:-\ You have issues....

And you have a life time subscription, so...

[Guest NC1406]

This issue will end up increasing retail businesses expense beyond what most could imagination. We struggle getting permitted to put a Subway or little Caesars restaurant on the dirt we buy due to current regulations. In rural areas some of these permits are based on septic requirements. A third bathroom is coming as a requirement. Political correctness is off the f Ing rails.

Edit: we should let the clientele at my rural locations determine proper bathroom etiquette. That would be entertaining.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

We have reached peak brainwashing.

https://twitter.com/camefromempires/status/731292470793883648/video/1

I don't know whether to laugh at the ludicrous nature of this, or cry for the future.

[AURaptor 1,125]

We have reached peak brainwashing.

https://twitter.com/camefromempires/status/731292470793883648/video/1

I don't know whether to laugh at the ludicrous nature of this, or cry for the future.

I want, I want , I want...

What ever happened to just " I want my mtv ! " ??

[TitanTiger 20,499]

By the way, as I mentioned before, the focus on restrooms is a completely disingenuous redirect to keep people from thinking through the full implications of this mindset on gender and accepting self-declared feelings at face value. From the guidance the Dept of Education is giving schools:

Housing and Overnight Accommodations. Title IX allows a school to provide separate housing on the basis of sex. But a school must allow transgender students to access housing consistent with their gender identity and may not require transgender students to stay in single-occupancy accommodations or to disclose personal information when not required of other students. Nothing in Title IX prohibits a school from honoring a student’s voluntary request for single occupancy accommodations if it so chooses.

Just so we're clear, if you're a boarding school or a college and you have single-sex dorms (many college women seek these out for safety and security reasons), you have to accommodate the trans boy who declared he's a girl, regardless of any professional diagnosis and regardless of whether they still have a male body. You also can't make them be in a room by themselves or even notify their roommate (these are often assigned by the school rather than chosen by the students themselves). So an 18 year old girl now has to wonder if the roommate she gets is a biological male with a penis and can't even really feel like she has a modicum of privacy in her own dorm room.

Progress.

[maxwere 82]

Queer as a clockwork orange.

[homersapien 11,393]

By the way, as I mentioned before, the focus on restrooms is a completely disingenuous redirect to keep people from thinking through the full implications of this mindset on gender and accepting self-declared feelings at face value. From the guidance the Dept of Education is giving schools:

Housing and Overnight Accommodations. Title IX allows a school to provide separate housing on the basis of sex. But a school must allow transgender students to access housing consistent with their gender identity and may not require transgender students to stay in single-occupancy accommodations or to disclose personal information when not required of other students. Nothing in Title IX prohibits a school from honoring a student's voluntary request for single occupancy accommodations if it so chooses.

Just so we're clear, if you're a boarding school or a college and you have single-sex dorms (many college women seek these out for safety and security reasons), you have to accommodate the trans boy who declared he's a girl, regardless of any professional diagnosis and regardless of whether they still have a male body. You also can't make them be in a room by themselves or even notify their roommate (these are often assigned by the school rather than chosen by the students themselves). So an 18 year old girl now has to wonder if the roommate she gets is a biological male with a penis and can't even really feel like she has a modicum of privacy in her own dorm room.

Progress.

Actually that's not clear. There's no requirement that a student accept a transgender room mate.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

By the way, as I mentioned before, the focus on restrooms is a completely disingenuous redirect to keep people from thinking through the full implications of this mindset on gender and accepting self-declared feelings at face value. From the guidance the Dept of Education is giving schools:

Housing and Overnight Accommodations. Title IX allows a school to provide separate housing on the basis of sex. But a school must allow transgender students to access housing consistent with their gender identity and may not require transgender students to stay in single-occupancy accommodations or to disclose personal information when not required of other students. Nothing in Title IX prohibits a school from honoring a student's voluntary request for single occupancy accommodations if it so chooses.

Just so we're clear, if you're a boarding school or a college and you have single-sex dorms (many college women seek these out for safety and security reasons), you have to accommodate the trans boy who declared he's a girl, regardless of any professional diagnosis and regardless of whether they still have a male body. You also can't make them be in a room by themselves or even notify their roommate (these are often assigned by the school rather than chosen by the students themselves). So an 18 year old girl now has to wonder if the roommate she gets is a biological male with a penis and can't even really feel like she has a modicum of privacy in her own dorm room.

Progress.

Actually that's not clear. There's no requirement that a student accept a transgender room mate.

That wasn't the argument. It was that she can be placed with a transgender roommate and the school may not disclose that to her. Reread this portion:

But a school must allow transgender students to access housing consistent with their gender identity and may not require transgender students to stay in single-occupancy accommodations or to disclose personal information when not required of other students.

The only way she finds out is if the trans person tells her, she happens to see the trans person undressed, or the trans person is just not very "feminine" looking and is a dead giveaway.

I'm sure you can request a new roommate for various reasons. But you shouldn't be thrown into that situation in the first place without any disclosure of that fact ahead of time.

[homersapien 11,393]

By the way, as I mentioned before, the focus on restrooms is a completely disingenuous redirect to keep people from thinking through the full implications of this mindset on gender and accepting self-declared feelings at face value. From the guidance the Dept of Education is giving schools:

Housing and Overnight Accommodations. Title IX allows a school to provide separate housing on the basis of sex. But a school must allow transgender students to access housing consistent with their gender identity and may not require transgender students to stay in single-occupancy accommodations or to disclose personal information when not required of other students. Nothing in Title IX prohibits a school from honoring a student's voluntary request for single occupancy accommodations if it so chooses.

Just so we're clear, if you're a boarding school or a college and you have single-sex dorms (many college women seek these out for safety and security reasons), you have to accommodate the trans boy who declared he's a girl, regardless of any professional diagnosis and regardless of whether they still have a male body. You also can't make them be in a room by themselves or even notify their roommate (these are often assigned by the school rather than chosen by the students themselves). So an 18 year old girl now has to wonder if the roommate she gets is a biological male with a penis and can't even really feel like she has a modicum of privacy in her own dorm room.

Progress.

Actually that's not clear. There's no requirement that a student accept a transgender room mate.

That wasn't the argument. It was that she can be placed with a transgender roommate and the school may not disclose that to her. Reread this portion:

But a school must allow transgender students to access housing consistent with their gender identity and may not require transgender students to stay in single-occupancy accommodations or to disclose personal information when not required of other students.

The only way she finds out is if the trans person tells her, she happens to see the trans person undressed, or the trans person is just not very "feminine" looking and is a dead giveaway.

I'm sure you can request a new roommate for various reasons. But you shouldn't be thrown into that situation in the first place without any disclosure of that fact ahead of time.

If she can't tell, what's the problem?

[TitanTiger 20,499]

By the way, as I mentioned before, the focus on restrooms is a completely disingenuous redirect to keep people from thinking through the full implications of this mindset on gender and accepting self-declared feelings at face value. From the guidance the Dept of Education is giving schools:

Housing and Overnight Accommodations. Title IX allows a school to provide separate housing on the basis of sex. But a school must allow transgender students to access housing consistent with their gender identity and may not require transgender students to stay in single-occupancy accommodations or to disclose personal information when not required of other students. Nothing in Title IX prohibits a school from honoring a student's voluntary request for single occupancy accommodations if it so chooses.

Just so we're clear, if you're a boarding school or a college and you have single-sex dorms (many college women seek these out for safety and security reasons), you have to accommodate the trans boy who declared he's a girl, regardless of any professional diagnosis and regardless of whether they still have a male body. You also can't make them be in a room by themselves or even notify their roommate (these are often assigned by the school rather than chosen by the students themselves). So an 18 year old girl now has to wonder if the roommate she gets is a biological male with a penis and can't even really feel like she has a modicum of privacy in her own dorm room.

Progress.

Actually that's not clear. There's no requirement that a student accept a transgender room mate.

That wasn't the argument. It was that she can be placed with a transgender roommate and the school may not disclose that to her. Reread this portion:

But a school must allow transgender students to access housing consistent with their gender identity and may not require transgender students to stay in single-occupancy accommodations or to disclose personal information when not required of other students.

The only way she finds out is if the trans person tells her, she happens to see the trans person undressed, or the trans person is just not very "feminine" looking and is a dead giveaway.

I'm sure you can request a new roommate for various reasons. But you shouldn't be thrown into that situation in the first place without any disclosure of that fact ahead of time.

If she can't tell, what's the problem?

You don't see a problem with a female being secretly placed in a room with a biological male with male genitalia? And so long as he can pull it off looks-wise and can sufficiently keep her in the dark about the facts regarding his body, that's no problem? You think the actual girl here doesn't have a right to be told that since, you know, she's living with the person?

[channonc 466]

By the way, as I mentioned before, the focus on restrooms is a completely disingenuous redirect to keep people from thinking through the full implications of this mindset on gender and accepting self-declared feelings at face value. From the guidance the Dept of Education is giving schools:

Housing and Overnight Accommodations. Title IX allows a school to provide separate housing on the basis of sex. But a school must allow transgender students to access housing consistent with their gender identity and may not require transgender students to stay in single-occupancy accommodations or to disclose personal information when not required of other students. Nothing in Title IX prohibits a school from honoring a student's voluntary request for single occupancy accommodations if it so chooses.

Just so we're clear, if you're a boarding school or a college and you have single-sex dorms (many college women seek these out for safety and security reasons), you have to accommodate the trans boy who declared he's a girl, regardless of any professional diagnosis and regardless of whether they still have a male body. You also can't make them be in a room by themselves or even notify their roommate (these are often assigned by the school rather than chosen by the students themselves). So an 18 year old girl now has to wonder if the roommate she gets is a biological male with a penis and can't even really feel like she has a modicum of privacy in her own dorm room.

Progress.

Actually that's not clear. There's no requirement that a student accept a transgender room mate.

That wasn't the argument. It was that she can be placed with a transgender roommate and the school may not disclose that to her. Reread this portion:

But a school must allow transgender students to access housing consistent with their gender identity and may not require transgender students to stay in single-occupancy accommodations or to disclose personal information when not required of other students.

The only way she finds out is if the trans person tells her, she happens to see the trans person undressed, or the trans person is just not very "feminine" looking and is a dead giveaway.

I'm sure you can request a new roommate for various reasons. But you shouldn't be thrown into that situation in the first place without any disclosure of that fact ahead of time.

If she can't tell, what's the problem?

You don't see a problem with a female being secretly placed in a room with a biological male with male genitalia? And so long as he can pull it off looks-wise and can sufficiently keep her in the dark about the facts regarding his body, that's no problem? You think the actual girl here doesn't have a right to be told that since, you know, she's living with the person?

Why does this automatically make for a dangerous situation? I had male roommates while I attended Auburn (not on campus obviously). No big deal.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

Why does this automatically make for a dangerous situation? I had male roommates while I attended Auburn (not on campus obviously). No big deal.

First, I didn't say it was automatically dangerous. Nothing is automatic. But she is choosing to be in a single-sex dorm for a reason and it is most certainly potentially dangerous. It introduces a danger that wouldn't be present otherwise.

Related to that, it is deception. Obviously by choosing a female-only dorm, she has a reasonable expectation that she is not going to be sharing a room with a male body (shocking, I know). And by not disclosing this fact to her, they are violating her privacy. This is not right. And it could even be traumatic if she is suffering from PTSD due to a sexual assault. This just isn't the sort of thing that should be left up to her to discover by happenstance.

"Yeah, sorry we didn't tell you about the person with a penis in your room and that you've been changing in front of them for the past 6 months. Rules are rules though and we can't make them feel uncomfortable or anything. What's that...you were made to feel uncomfortable/unsafe by this? Sorry. We'll move you now. But your comfort and safe feelings weren't really our biggest concern."

[homersapien 11,393]

By the way, as I mentioned before, the focus on restrooms is a completely disingenuous redirect to keep people from thinking through the full implications of this mindset on gender and accepting self-declared feelings at face value. From the guidance the Dept of Education is giving schools:

Housing and Overnight Accommodations. Title IX allows a school to provide separate housing on the basis of sex. But a school must allow transgender students to access housing consistent with their gender identity and may not require transgender students to stay in single-occupancy accommodations or to disclose personal information when not required of other students. Nothing in Title IX prohibits a school from honoring a student's voluntary request for single occupancy accommodations if it so chooses.

Just so we're clear, if you're a boarding school or a college and you have single-sex dorms (many college women seek these out for safety and security reasons), you have to accommodate the trans boy who declared he's a girl, regardless of any professional diagnosis and regardless of whether they still have a male body. You also can't make them be in a room by themselves or even notify their roommate (these are often assigned by the school rather than chosen by the students themselves). So an 18 year old girl now has to wonder if the roommate she gets is a biological male with a penis and can't even really feel like she has a modicum of privacy in her own dorm room.

Progress.

Actually that's not clear. There's no requirement that a student accept a transgender room mate.

That wasn't the argument. It was that she can be placed with a transgender roommate and the school may not disclose that to her. Reread this portion:

But a school must allow transgender students to access housing consistent with their gender identity and may not require transgender students to stay in single-occupancy accommodations or to disclose personal information when not required of other students.

The only way she finds out is if the trans person tells her, she happens to see the trans person undressed, or the trans person is just not very "feminine" looking and is a dead giveaway.

I'm sure you can request a new roommate for various reasons. But you shouldn't be thrown into that situation in the first place without any disclosure of that fact ahead of time.

If she can't tell, what's the problem?

You don't see a problem with a female being secretly placed in a room with a biological male with male genitalia? And so long as he can pull it off looks-wise and can sufficiently keep her in the dark about the facts regarding his body, that's no problem? You think the actual girl here doesn't have a right to be told that since, you know, she's living with the person?

No, I don't see a problem. If she can't tell, then there's no problem by definition. If she finds out - or is merely suspicious - and is uncomfortable with it, she simply requests a transfer.

You act is if a penis can act on it's own. A penis on a transexual woman is irrelevant. In fact, she would theoretically be at greater risk with a lesbian who doesn't have a penis to start with. Do we need to start qualifying everyone by sexual preference as well?

Clearly, you still reject the very idea of transexuals.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

No, I don't see a problem. If she can't tell, then there's no problem by definition. If she finds out - or is merely suspicious - and is uncomfortable with it, she simply requests a transfer.

You act is if a penis can act on it's own. A penis on a transexual woman is irrelevant. In fact, she would theoretically be at greater risk with a lesbian who doesn't have a penis to start with. Do we need to start qualifying everyone by sexual preference as well?

Clearly, you still reject the very idea of transexuals.

I reject the idea that one's body is irrelevant to the issue. I reject the idea that seeing it is relevant is not the problem, failing to acknowledge its significance is. I reject the idea that the mere existence of something thereby dictates its accommodation in every respect.

And especially in this situation, I reject that idea that being able to keep it a secret makes it all ok. Why should she be in the dark about something like this? She could have PTSD from a prior rape. Are you saying that now you want rape survivors to have to request (if such a thing is available in the dorms) a single-occupancy room and forgo the benefits having a fellow woman as a roommate so that we don't wound the feelings of someone else? And regardless of prior sexual assault issues, she did not sign up for a single-sex dorm to be secretly placed in a close living situation with male bodies. There are numerous co-ed dorms or even private apartments available if that's something she didn't mind (assuming freshmen at the school are permitted to live outside of dorms).

Would it be ok if a male willing to go to the lengths necessary to pass as a female, but who is actually a straight male, was permitted to live in the girls room with her so long as he could fool everyone and didn't actually make a move on her? She may not wish to be roommates with a gay male either, which is completely reasonable. The attraction issue isn't the pertinent part of this.

What sort of nonsense is this? I feel like every time we talk about this subject I've been dropped into Alice in Wonderland.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

I've asked this question before, but I'll ask again:

If a trans woman (born a man) presented as a woman who was 'your type' - the kind you are normally attracted to in appearance - and she had gotten all of the best surgical changes done to have proper looking lady parts was interested in you, would you date and/or have sex with her?

If not, and she's truly a woman and should be regarded as such in every way, why not?