AcUmen 242 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, homersapien said: Another glutton for punishment. Please read the following carefully and think about it (if you can): No one is suggesting Trump - like Obama - doesn't have the right as POTUS to share any confidential information with anyone. Such sharing can be in the countries interest. TitanTiger above just said it. He said "we don't share it with allies, much less Russia." He is flat-out wrong and you're wrong for saying "no one is suggesting that." John Brennan himself said today that intelligence sharing with Russia is not unusual at all. Quote Furthermore, he is too immature to let it go and shut his damn mouth. For exampe, it was rumored that the compromise in intelligence method or source might have hurt Israel. So what does Trump do, he essentially confirms that by insisting he never mentioned "Israel" to the Russians! This is complete nonsense. Without the media leaking all of this out, it wouldn't have been a big deal. The media (and their Obama holdovers in the government) are the ones who are jeopardizing national security with this crap. They are the ones who reported it was Israel -- Trump was merely responding to what was in the newspapers. Besides, it wasn't just a "rumor" that it was Israel, various media outlets "confirmed" it was Israel before Trump even said anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,509 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, homersapien said: Another glutton for punishment. Please read the following carefully and think about it (if you can): No one is suggesting Trump - like Obama - doesn't have the right as POTUS to share any confidential information with anyone. Such sharing can be in the countries interest. What has been suggested, based on what we know, is that Trump shared information without such a strategic rationale for doing so. One could say he (probably) did it inadvertently. It's been reported that he did so for the purpose of boasting, but we don't really know that. It may be because he was ignorant of the details and the reason for not doing it. Either of those reasons perfectly fit with Trump. He is notorious for having a short attention span and for requesting that even a short intellegence repor t be reduced to a half of a page. Regardless of exactly why he did it, it represents his incompetence for the job. Furthermore, he is too immature to let it go and shut his damn mouth. For exampe, it was rumored that the compromise in intelligence method or source might have hurt Israel. So what does Trump do, he essentially confirms that by insisting he never mentioned "Israel" to the Russians! Hell, the Russians don't even have to "reverse engineer" the information he provided to determine source and methods. All they need to do is wait for Trump to blurt it out. This is in no way comparable to Obama's calculated disclosure of information to the Russians. Thanks for saving me having to explain such basics to people who ought to know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, AcUmen said: TitanTiger above just said it. He said "we don't share it with allies, much less Russia." He is flat-out wrong and you're wrong for saying "no one is suggesting that." John Brennan himself said today that intelligence sharing with Russia is not unusual at all. Titan was obviously referring to confidential information for which there is no strategic reason to share with allies. You sound like a child. "But you said...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 21 minutes ago, AcUmen said: This is complete nonsense. Without the media leaking all of this out, it wouldn't have been a big deal. The media (and their Obama holdovers in the government) are the ones who are jeopardizing national security with this crap. They are the ones who reported it was Israel -- Trump was merely responding to what was in the newspapers. Besides, it wasn't just a "rumor" that it was Israel, various media outlets "confirmed" it was Israel before Trump even said anything. So, had this not been leaked, it wouldn't have been a big deal? BRILLIANT !!!!! You have a keen eye for the obvious! Hell, we wouldn't know about it at all. Thats the purpose of leaks. And no one in the media has produced a transcript or tape, much less sworn testimony, so the claim the media had already "confirmed" the Israeli connection is ironically wrong. ("Ironically" because you are all to willing to simply dismiss the media if it suits you. I figured I needed to explain that.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 33 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Thanks for saving me having to explain such basics to people who ought to know better. It's a tedious job, but someone has to do it. And you've been pulling more than your share of the load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 hours ago, AcUmen said: TitanTiger above just said it. He said "we don't share it with allies, much less Russia." He is flat-out wrong and you're wrong for saying "no one is suggesting that." John Brennan himself said today that intelligence sharing with Russia is not unusual at all. This is complete nonsense. Without the media leaking all of this out, it wouldn't have been a big deal. The media (and their Obama holdovers in the government) are the ones who are jeopardizing national security with this crap. They are the ones who reported it was Israel -- Trump was merely responding to what was in the newspapers. Besides, it wasn't just a "rumor" that it was Israel, various media outlets "confirmed" it was Israel before Trump even said anything. Very true no matter how some want to spin it to suit their OPINION Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,992 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 6 hours ago, AcUmen said: Translation: Russia likes to suborn people. Carter Page talked to a few Russians. Therefore, Carter Page might have been suborned. I have no proof he was, but he might have been. You lefties are hysterical believing this nonsense. As Alan Dershowitz said "Show me the crime." Even if there is videotape of Trump high-fiving Putin after he leaked DNC e-mails, there is still no crime. You cultists lack critical thinking skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburnfan91 1,407 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 6 hours ago, homersapien said: Another glutton for punishment. Please read the following carefully and think about it (if you can): No one is suggesting Trump - like Obama - doesn't have the right as POTUS to share any confidential information with anyone. Such sharing can be in the countrie's interest. What has been suggested - based on what we know - is that Trump shared information without such a strategic rationale for doing so. One could say he (probably) did it inadvertently. It's been reported that he did so for the purpose of boasting, but we don't really know that. It may be because he was ignorant of the details and the reasons for not doing it. Either of those explanations fit perfectly with Trump's personality. He is notorious for having a short attention span and for requesting that even a short intellegence report be reduced to a half of a page. Regardless of exactly why he did it, it's an example of his incompetence for the job. Furthermore, he is too immature to let it go and shut his damn mouth. For example, it was rumored that the compromise in the intelligence method or source might have hurt Israel's intelligence operations. So what does Trump do? He essentially confirms that by insisting he never mentioned "Israel" to the Russians! Hell, the Russians don't even have to "reverse engineer" the information he provided to determine source and methods. All they need is wait for Trump to blurt it out. This is in no way comparable to Obama's calculated disclosure of information to the Russians. This right here is pure anti-Trump partisanship. It's pure BS for both you and Titan to pass the leaks off as "rumors". You two certainly don't act like they're rumors. Any leak or "rumor" about Trump on here is used by both of you to bash Trump. Yet you want frame your argument in a way where it's all Trump's fault and dismiss the impact of the leaks. "Rumors" are presented as facts now if they come from Washington Post, NY Times, CNN, etc......... Yet both you and Titan are blaming Trump for revealing Israel as the source when it was the anonymous sources that leaked that information in the first place. In your minds it's Trump's fault regardless of whether he denied it was Israel or if he had never responded to the "rumors", as you want to phrase it as now, and stayed quiet about it. It's amazing how selective anti-Trump folks are with leaks to suit their bias. It's awfully convenient to not believe a leak for yourselves and say it's a "rumor", yet out of the other side of your mouth chastise people on here who support Trump about questioning leaks or being skeptical of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,926 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 43 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: You cultists lack critical thinking skills. Sorry to inform, but there are far more than cultists failing to exhibit critical thought here. Slowly but surely, day by day this more closely resembles the AL.com comment section. Kinda sad don't ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuburnNTexas 7,167 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Bias is not always if what you say is true it is how you say it. In the two WA Post articles two Presidents shared similar types of information with the Russians. In both cases it is true that they shared the same type of information. But the story line on one is that it was very Presidential and the story line in the other was that it was was bumbling incompetence or even while not stated helping the Russians against the US interests.. Two Presidents doing basically the same thing are portrayed differently. It doesn't take a savant to realize there is bias in the reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 The one key word in Brennan's statement is "MAY." The problem in all this stuff is a lot of "may" and speculation. Facts are scarce if not zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,992 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Proud Tiger said: The one key word in Brennan's statement is "MAY." The problem in all this stuff is a lot of "may" and speculation. Facts are scarce if not zero. Let's get to the facts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augolf1716 21,253 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: Let's get to the facts! Sorry guys/gals but I could not resist I know its not smack but everyone needs a laugh every now and then. That's a fact Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 14 minutes ago, augolf1716 said: Sorry guys/gals but I could not resist I know its not smack but everyone needs a laugh every now and then. That's a fact Jack Funny. Thanks for the humor. We need more of it these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 38 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: Let's get to the facts! Amen, I vote for that. Things are crazy. I have lost track of all the investigations. But the public doesn't seem to care about all the crap going on. They just want action from Congress on things that matter to them and the GOP lead congress isn't producing and the Dems can't do anything except be destructive with their hate for Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 7 hours ago, AuburnNTexas said: Bias is not always if what you say is true it is how you say it. In the two WA Post articles two Presidents shared similar types of information with the Russians. In both cases it is true that they shared the same type of information. But the story line on one is that it was very Presidential and the story line in the other was that it was was bumbling incompetence or even while not stated helping the Russians against the US interests.. Two Presidents doing basically the same thing are portrayed differently. It doesn't take a savant to realize there is bias in the reporting. Good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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