TitanTiger 20,510 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, SocialCircle said: It was originally submitted by Bush, but by the time it passed it was Obama's budget as he had been in office for several months and it even had his stimulus package in it and the Dems had both the House and Senate. This budget was passed and signed by Obama. The portion of it left over for Obama to sign in March 2009 was about $410 billion (the Omnibus Spending Bill). The overall budget submitted for FY2009 and signed by Bush was $2.7 trillion. Throw the damn towel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialCircle 570 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, homersapien said: One huge difference: Obama inherited a severe recession. Trump inherited a booming economy. As has been pointed out several times, deficit spending to address emergencies is good policy. Deficit spending (via tax policy in this case) when the economy is humming, is fiscally irresponsible. Trump did not inherit a "booming" economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialCircle 570 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: The portion of the it left over for Obama to sign in March 2009 was about $410 billion. The overall budget submitted for FY2009 and signed by Bush was $2.7 trillion. Throw the damn towel. No. Obama got the FY 2009 passed and he signed it. You thrown in the towel. He had time to adjust it any way he saw fit as the Dems had control of both the House and Senate when this budget was passed and signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,510 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Seriously...some of you more conservative folks, come get ya boy. He's out of his depth here and gonna get hurt and I ain't claiming him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialCircle 570 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Seriously...some of you more conservative folks, come get ya boy. He's out of his depth here and gonna get hurt and I ain't claiming him. Are you seriously claiming he could throw the stimulus package in the FY 2009 budget, but he didn't have the ability to adjust it in any other way before getting it passed and signed even while the Dems controlled by chambers??? Are you serious????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,178 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, SocialCircle said: Trump did not inherit a "booming" economy. He inherited an economy that was rising sharply, in stark contrast to what Obama was left with. Don't be so stubborn that can't admit the truth of that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,510 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Just now, SocialCircle said: No. Obama got the FY 2009 passed and he signed it. You thrown in the towel. He had time to adjust it any way he saw fit as the Dems had control of both the House and Senate when this budget was passed and signed. As my grandmother would say, you haven't got the sense to come in out of the rain, son. Let's go through this again. The United States federal budget for fiscal year 2009 began as a spending request submitted by President George W. Bush to the 110th Congress. The final resolution written and submitted by the 110th Congress to be forwarded to the President was approved by the House on June 5, 2008.[5] The government was initially funded through three temporary continuing resolutions. Final funding for the Department of Defense, Department of Homeland Security, and Department of Veterans Affairs was enacted on September 30, 2008 as part of the Consolidated Security, Disaster Assistance, and Continuing Appropriations Act, 2009, while the remaining departments and agencies were funded as part of an omnibus spending bill, the Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009, on March 10, 2009.[6] The total for that budget was $2.7 trillion. Most of it ended up being funded piecemeal and signed off on by Bush. The final piece of it left to Obama was the Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009. That piece of it totaled $410 billion, or about 15% of the overall FY2009 budget bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,510 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, SocialCircle said: Are you seriously claiming he could throw the stimulus package in the FY 2009 budget, but he didn't have the ability to adjust it in any other way before getting it passed and signed even while the Dems controlled by chambers??? Are you serious????? Even if he had somehow been able to cut the damn omnibus bill to $0 (which wasn't politically feasible), 85% of the money for FY2009 was already passed, signed, and appropriated by this time. Why is that not getting through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,431 Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, SocialCircle said: Trump did not inherit a "booming" economy. Look it up. Donald Trump stated on February 4, 2020: "Years of economic decay are over" because Trump "reversed the failed economic policies of the previous administration." https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/06/donald-trump/no-economy-didnt-suddenly-get-strong-under-donald-/ This one is a little more specific: https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/2c298bda-8aee-4923-84a3-95a54f7f6e6f/did-trump-create-or-inherit-the-strong-economy-final.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,178 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Even if he had somehow been able to cut the damn omnibus bill to $0 (which wasn't politically feasible), 85% of the money for FY2009 was already passed, signed, and appropriated by this time. Why is that not getting through? And even accounting for that, Obama still managed to cut the deficit. Meh. We're not getting anywhere here. He's a fool. Let's go back to discussing soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, AUDub said: Let's go back to discussing soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,510 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, AUDub said: And even accounting for that, Obama still managed to cut the deficit. Meh. We're not getting anywhere here. He's a fool. Let's go back to discussing soccer. Further, using the chart he provided... ...even if Obama could have somehow gotten Congress to go along with $0 instead of the $410 billion in that omnibus bill, at best you'd have seen a FY2009 deficit that was still over $1 trillion, goes up for a couple of years, then back to FY2009 levels and basically half of that by the end of his term. In the end, that is an overall record of cutting the deficit no matter how hard you squint and try to spin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialCircle 570 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: As my grandmother would say, you haven't got the sense to come in out of the rain, son. Let's go through this again. The United States federal budget for fiscal year 2009 began as a spending request submitted by President George W. Bush to the 110th Congress. The final resolution written and submitted by the 110th Congress to be forwarded to the President was approved by the House on June 5, 2008.[5] The government was initially funded through three temporary continuing resolutions. Final funding for the Department of Defense, Department of Homeland Security, and Department of Veterans Affairs was enacted on September 30, 2008 as part of the Consolidated Security, Disaster Assistance, and Continuing Appropriations Act, 2009, while the remaining departments and agencies were funded as part of an omnibus spending bill, the Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009, on March 10, 2009.[6] The total for that budget was $2.7 trillion. Most of it ended up being funded piecemeal and signed off on by Bush. The final piece of it left to Obama was the Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009. That piece of it totaled $410 billion, or about 15% of the overall FY2009 budget bill. Maybe you will believe Obama, but I doubt it. He owned this budget. Maybe you should follow his lead in this instance. I understand that is asking too much. 4 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Further, using the chart he provided... ...even if Obama could have somehow gotten Congress to go along with $0 instead of the $410 billion in that omnibus bill, at best you'd have seen a FY2009 deficit that was still over $1 trillion, goes up for a couple of years, then back to FY2009 levels and basically half of that by the end of his term. In the end, that is an overall record of cutting the deficit no matter how hard to squint and try to spin it. You don't get to own the facts. The fact is the deficit was higher the day Obama left office than it was on the day he took office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialCircle 570 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, AUDub said: And even accounting for that, Obama still managed to cut the deficit. Meh. We're not getting anywhere here. He's a fool. Let's go back to discussing soccer. 22 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Even if he had somehow been able to cut the damn omnibus bill to $0 (which wasn't politically feasible), 85% of the money for FY2009 was already passed, signed, and appropriated by this time. Why is that not getting through? Tell it to Obama. You can find more on You Tube on this. Obama said he went through every page of this budget. He owned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialCircle 570 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, AUDub said: And even accounting for that, Obama still managed to cut the deficit. Meh. We're not getting anywhere here. He's a fool. Let's go back to discussing soccer. This is factually incorrect as the deficit was lower the day he took office than the day he left office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialCircle 570 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, AUDub said: He inherited an economy that was rising sharply, in stark contrast to what Obama was left with. Don't be so stubborn that can't admit the truth of that statement. The economy wasn't "sharply rising" when Trump took office. I agree Obama inherited an economy that was in worse shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,510 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, SocialCircle said: Maybe you will believe Obama, but I doubt it. He owned this budget. Maybe you should follow his lead in this instance. I understand that is asking too much. Um...this was his proposal for the FY2010 budget. This speech came 7 days AFTER he signed the omnibus bill that put the last bow on the FY2009 one. Try to keep up. 2 minutes ago, SocialCircle said: You don't get to own the facts. The fact is the deficit was higher the day Obama left office than it was on the day he took office. No one owns the facts. You're just unable to read them. The day he took office he inherited more than a $1 trillion deficit, if you subtract the $410 billion he added with the omnibus bill he signed on March 10, 2009. It was $1.4 trillion total. By the time he left, the deficit was projected to by $590 billion for FY2016. In what universe is $590 billion higher than $1 trillion or $1.4 trillion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Um...this was his proposal for the FY2010 budget. This speech came 7 days AFTER he signed the omnibus bill that put the last bow on the FY2009 one. Try to keep up. Me every time this dude steps in his own crap thinking he's made a salient point, only to get corrected with facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,178 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, SocialCircle said: Tell it to Obama. You're hardly aware of what you're even arguing. That was for the 2010 FY budget proposal, and actually ended up lowering the deficit from 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,510 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: Me every time this dude steps in his own crap thinking he's made a salient point, only to get corrected with facts. Either his Google is broken or someone's feeding him some bad info trying to "help." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,178 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, SocialCircle said: The economy wasn't "sharply rising" when Trump took office. I agree Obama inherited an economy that was in worse shape. It was very much trending upward by any objective measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,431 Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Either his Google is broken or someone's feeding him some bad info trying to "help." I think he just actually believes the BS that Trump puts out. Actual facts are anathema to such a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialCircle 570 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, AUDub said: It was very much trending upward by any objective measure. I agree it was trending upward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialCircle 570 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, homersapien said: I think he just actually believes the BS that Trump puts out. Actual facts are anathema to such a person. Do you mean facts like the deficit was indeed higher the day Obama left office than the day he entered office or facts like Trump has accomplished nothing with NK despite the fact some families finally got some bodies of their loved ones back or facts like the national debt more than doubled under Obama or facts like it was actually Obama who got passed and signed the 2009FY budget with the Dems. controlling both chambers? Or perhaps that it is easier to cut the deficit coming off an economic collapse that involved significant federal stimulus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,510 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, SocialCircle said: Do you mean facts like the deficit was indeed higher the day Obama left office than the day he entered office Something that is demonstrably untrue, by the very charts and articles you posted. Even if you go with the projected FY2016 numbers, the deficit was about $590 billion then, it was over $1 trillion when Obama took office, even if you take off $410 billion of the FY2009 that Obama signed. That's a lower deficit by over $400 billion minimum. Why do you keep repeating this blatant lie? Are you under the impression that repeating something over and over makes it true? Quote facts like it was actually Obama who got passed and signed the 2009FY budget with the Dems. controlling both chambers? Obama only passed and signed an omnibus spending bill that was under FY2009, and it totaled $410 billion. That was only 15% of the overall FY2009 budget that was passed and signed by Bush, which was $2.7 trillion. Stop lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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