"CIA Concluded that the Russian Bank-1 data and the Russian Phone Provider-1 was not "technically plausible," did not "withstand technical scrutiny,: "contained gaps," "conflicted with itself, " and was "user created and not machine/tool generated.""

[DKW 86 7,425]

Nothing like a good ole "I told you so." This was nothing, a nothing burger. The CIA concluded that in JAN-FEB 2017 after reviewing the same data the FBI got.

"CIA Concluded that the Russian Bank-1 data and the Russian Phone Provider-1 was not "technically plausible," did not "withstand technical scrutiny,: "contained gaps," "conflicted with itself, "  and was "user created and not machine/tool generated.""

CIA Bombshell: The Sussmann data was "user created"

My late Friday night involved hitting refresh on PACER every so often, incurring the $0.10 charge for each search result as I waited on Special Counsel John Durham’s latest filing in the Michael Sussmann case. (Exciting, I know.)

The motion exceeded expectations, discussing CIA conclusions that Sussmann was providing implausible data to federal authorities, providing CIA notes regarding their meeting with Sussmann, and confirmation that they essentially spied on President-Elect Trump.

The motion can be found here. It was filed as part of the government’s efforts to convince the court that the evidence it seeks to admit in Sussmann’s trial is relevant and admissible. Let’s go through the most important parts.

The CIA Notes Part 1: January 31, 2017.

Durham provided to the Court two sets of notes related to Sussmann’s representations to the CIA. The first was from Sussmann’s January 31, 2017 contacts with a CIA employee where Sussmann discussed wanting to provide to the CIA data on “the presence and activity of a unique Russian made phone around President Trump.” It was said that this secret activity started in April 2016 and continued after Trump’s “move to the White House.”

 

Sussmann alleged the Russian phone (YotaPhone) was always close to Trump (“only around the President’s Movements”), surfacing at his Trump Tower Network in April 2016 and being used through Wi-Fi at Trump’s Grand Central West apartment. The phone even “appeared with Trump in Michigan” when he was interviewing a Cabinet Secretary.

 

At a minimum, this confirms what we reported nearly two months ago: that the Trump transition data was passed to the CIA. Yet it’s also more than that. The CIA was provided with data all the way back from April 2016.

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Why does April 2016 matter? Because Russia was alleged to have hacked “the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and DNC networks in April 2016.” Recall that “Crowdstrike was contacted on April 30, 2016 to respond to a suspected breach” of the DNC.

The CIA Notes Part 2: Sussmann’s February 9, 2017 meeting with the CIA

That January 31, 2017 conference was used to schedule the February 9, 2017 meeting with the CIA. At that meeting, Sussmann repeated his allegations that a “Russian-made Yota-phone” had been seen at Trump properties and had traveled with Trump to Michigan. He further alleged that “In December 2016, the Yota-phone was seen connecting to WIFI from the Executive Office of the President (the White House).”  

 

A brief but necessary aside: The Washington Post alleged us to have fanned “the flames” on the Sussmann/Joffe spying operation, taking us to task for stating (correctly): “They spied on Trump.” I hope the Washington Post is reading this, because the CIA notes confirm what we reported and what we told them via e-mail. Techno 1, WaPo 0.

Back to the Durham Filing – and the CIA’s analysis of the Sussmann/Joffe data.

The CIA reviewed the Trump/YotaPhone data (and the Alfa Bank data) in early 2017. The fact that the CIA accepted this data on President Trump is its own scandal. In any event, the CIA’s findings are significant, as they concluded that the data was not “technically plausible” and was “user created and not machine/tool generated.”

 

(I’ve been asked about the last part of that paragraph, which says the “Special Counsel’s Office has not reached a definitive conclusion in this regard.” The term “definitive conclusion” stands out, making me suspect he has “initial” conclusions on the data. Durham’s filings in this case suggest he agrees with the CIA.)

Anyway, what a finding by the CIA. Of course, this only leads to more questions:

1. Which “user” created the data?

2. Does it go back to the Joffe conspiracy?

3. And who else is part of that conspiracy?

For that last question, consider this revelation from a previous Durham filing:

 

As to those questions of a conspiracy, Durham’s granting of immunity provides some insight. As we suspected back on April 5, “Researcher-2” (identified as David Dagon) has been given immunity. The reason? So that Durham can “uncover otherwise-unavailable facts” relating to the Alfa Bank project.

 

Dagon being granted immunity is certainly important, as Durham states that Rodney Joffe – who led the Alfa Bank hoax effort – remains a “subject” of the investigation. While Sussmann and others argue that it’s impossible to prosecute Joffe because of the 5-year statute of limitations, Durham disagrees, stating: “defense counsel is not – and could not be – aware of all the evidence that the Government has collected and continues to collect, or the possible violations of law it is investigating.”

Durham will also be granting immunity at trial “for an individual who was employed at” Fusion GPS. I initially suspected this was Christopher Steele but was steered in the right direction after some smart folks noted the person was “employed” at Fusion GPS (as opposed to Steele, who was “retained” by Fusion GPS). This person might be Laura Seago.

 

This former Fusion GPS employee will likely testify to “limited information pertaining to” Christopher Steele. As Durham puts it: this will include whether Sussmann was acting on behalf of the Clinton Campaign when he relayed the Alfa Bank allegations.

 

Finally, I leave you with some questions to consider. Start asking why Sussmann and Joffe were so desperate to provide the FBI and CIA with dirt purportedly linking Trump and Russia. Sussmann himself provided false statements to federal officials, and it’s becoming more and more likely that someone potentially fabricated this evidence. Sussmann and Joffe risked charges - and thus jeopardized their lucrative careers - to tie Trump to Russia.

Considering the personal costs to both men, are we to believe that this was only about politics?

Or maybe this all leads back to the DNC hack…

Edited April 17, 2022 by DKW 86

[AUFAN78 3,909]

10 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Nothing like a good ole "I told you so." This was nothing, a nothing burger. The CIA concluded that in JAN-FEB 2017 after reviewing the same data the FBI got.

"CIA Concluded that the Russian Bank-1 data and the Russian Phone Provider-1 was not "technically plausible," did not "withstand technical scrutiny,: "contained gaps," "conflicted with itself, "  and was "user created and not machine/tool generated.""

CIA Bombshell: The Sussmann data was "user created"

My late Friday night involved hitting refresh on PACER every so often, incurring the $0.10 charge for each search result as I waited on Special Counsel John Durham’s latest filing in the Michael Sussmann case. (Exciting, I know.)

The motion exceeded expectations, discussing CIA conclusions that Sussmann was providing implausible data to federal authorities, providing CIA notes regarding their meeting with Sussmann, and confirmation that they essentially spied on President-Elect Trump.

The motion can be found here. It was filed as part of the government’s efforts to convince the court that the evidence it seeks to admit in Sussmann’s trial is relevant and admissible. Let’s go through the most important parts.

The CIA Notes Part 1: January 31, 2017.

Durham provided to the Court two sets of notes related to Sussmann’s representations to the CIA. The first was from Sussmann’s January 31, 2017 contacts with a CIA employee where Sussmann discussed wanting to provide to the CIA data on “the presence and activity of a unique Russian made phone around President Trump.” It was said that this secret activity started in April 2016 and continued after Trump’s “move to the White House.”

 

Sussmann alleged the Russian phone (YotaPhone) was always close to Trump (“only around the President’s Movements”), surfacing at his Trump Tower Network in April 2016 and being used through Wi-Fi at Trump’s Grand Central West apartment. The phone even “appeared with Trump in Michigan” when he was interviewing a Cabinet Secretary.

 

At a minimum, this confirms what we reported nearly two months ago: that the Trump transition data was passed to the CIA. Yet it’s also more than that. The CIA was provided with data all the way back from April 2016.

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Why does April 2016 matter? Because Russia was alleged to have hacked “the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and DNC networks in April 2016.” Recall that “Crowdstrike was contacted on April 30, 2016 to respond to a suspected breach” of the DNC.

The CIA Notes Part 2: Sussmann’s February 9, 2017 meeting with the CIA

That January 31, 2017 conference was used to schedule the February 9, 2017 meeting with the CIA. At that meeting, Sussmann repeated his allegations that a “Russian-made Yota-phone” had been seen at Trump properties and had traveled with Trump to Michigan. He further alleged that “In December 2016, the Yota-phone was seen connecting to WIFI from the Executive Office of the President (the White House).”  

 

A brief but necessary aside: The Washington Post alleged us to have fanned “the flames” on the Sussmann/Joffe spying operation, taking us to task for stating (correctly): “They spied on Trump.” I hope the Washington Post is reading this, because the CIA notes confirm what we reported and what we told them via e-mail. Techno 1, WaPo 0.

Back to the Durham Filing – and the CIA’s analysis of the Sussmann/Joffe data.

The CIA reviewed the Trump/YotaPhone data (and the Alfa Bank data) in early 2017. The fact that the CIA accepted this data on President Trump is its own scandal. In any event, the CIA’s findings are significant, as they concluded that the data was not “technically plausible” and was “user created and not machine/tool generated.”

 

(I’ve been asked about the last part of that paragraph, which says the “Special Counsel’s Office has not reached a definitive conclusion in this regard.” The term “definitive conclusion” stands out, making me suspect he has “initial” conclusions on the data. Durham’s filings in this case suggest he agrees with the CIA.)

Anyway, what a finding by the CIA. Of course, this only leads to more questions:

1. Which “user” created the data?

2. Does it go back to the Joffe conspiracy?

3. And who else is part of that conspiracy?

For that last question, consider this revelation from a previous Durham filing:

 

As to those questions of a conspiracy, Durham’s granting of immunity provides some insight. As we suspected back on April 5, “Researcher-2” (identified as David Dagon) has been given immunity. The reason? So that Durham can “uncover otherwise-unavailable facts” relating to the Alfa Bank project.

 

Dagon being granted immunity is certainly important, as Durham states that Rodney Joffe – who led the Alfa Bank hoax effort – remains a “subject” of the investigation. While Sussmann and others argue that it’s impossible to prosecute Joffe because of the 5-year statute of limitations, Durham disagrees, stating: “defense counsel is not – and could not be – aware of all the evidence that the Government has collected and continues to collect, or the possible violations of law it is investigating.”

Durham will also be granting immunity at trial “for an individual who was employed at” Fusion GPS. I initially suspected this was Christopher Steele but was steered in the right direction after some smart folks noted the person was “employed” at Fusion GPS (as opposed to Steele, who was “retained” by Fusion GPS). This person might be Laura Seago.

 

This former Fusion GPS employee will likely testify to “limited information pertaining to” Christopher Steele. As Durham puts it: this will include whether Sussmann was acting on behalf of the Clinton Campaign when he relayed the Alfa Bank allegations.

 

Finally, I leave you with some questions to consider. Start asking why Sussmann and Joffe were so desperate to provide the FBI and CIA with dirt purportedly linking Trump and Russia. Sussmann himself provided false statements to federal officials, and it’s becoming more and more likely that someone potentially fabricated this evidence. Sussmann and Joffe risked charges - and thus jeopardized their lucrative careers - to tie Trump to Russia.

Considering the personal costs to both men, are we to believe that this was only about politics?

Or maybe this all leads back to the DNC hack…

Still amazed daily that:

a. this happened in America not Russia or China where this type corruption is commonplace

b. our good friends on the left wink and nod

c. all American's aren't outraged some of these criminals still serve in government

d. that our intelligence apparatus caved to partisanship and top levels of government were knowledgeable and culpable 

e. that this isn't headline news daily

f. that no one has been imprisoned after 6 years

[DKW 86 7,425]

was "user created and not machine/tool generated.""

Just so we are on the same page. The CIA Cyber Experts concluded that Joffe's work and the work from GT were not generated by a piece of code, a script, or software. They concluded that what they were given was punched in on a keyboard by a human or so highly manipulated  that it was worthless. 

[aubiefifty 16,798]

david word on the street is you are a russian spy and you are putting out false info to confuse folks.

[DKW 86 7,425]

7 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

david word on the street is you are a russian spy and you are putting out false info to confuse folks.

 

[alexava 6,973]

This is how you make middle of the political spectrum, common people who want honesty, fairness and common sense run across the aisle and never look back. After this, Hunter’s business deals and ******* laptop, you have blinders on. Wake tf up.

[DKW 86 7,425]

7 hours ago, alexava said:

This is how you make middle of the political spectrum, common people who want honesty, fairness and common sense run across the aisle and never look back. After this, Hunter’s business deals and ******* laptop, you have blinders on. Wake tf up.

Could you explain that a little more? I am making the middle of the road run toward the extremes?

[DKW 86 7,425]

It's almost eery not having to hear half a dozen versions of:

BUT BUT TRUMP, BUT BUT TRUMP, BUT BUT TRUMP,

Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Bad, 

or RUSSIANS!!!!! RUSSIANS!!!!! RUSSIANS!!!!! 

Kind of nice for the extremely rare change. 

Enjoy it while you can. We all know the Whataboutism Orgy is about to commence. 

[bigbird 60,533]

2 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Could you explain that a little more? I am making the middle of the road run toward the extremes?

I believe he is saying that the actions of the CIA, FBI, MSM, etc. are sending centrist and left-leaning centrist towards the right.

[DKW 86 7,425]

So does Maher btw. He had a very nice discussion on JRE a few days ago and basically said that crazy Leftism is sending most right back into the Conservative area. We really don’t want that but, it’s better than Defund the Police, etc. But it pushes the M4A, etc so far down the road it’s hard to see now

[alexava 6,973]

Not you! The left. The establishment. The ideology of win at all costs that Donald Trump exposed.” Blatant Dishonesty!…..Maybe bad wording with “you.”

[alexava 6,973]

13 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

So does Maher btw. He had a very nice discussion on JRE a few days ago and basically said that crazy Leftism is sending most right back into the Conservative area. We really don’t want that but, it’s better than Defund the Police, etc. But it pushes the M4A, etc so far down the road it’s hard to see now

Not just crazy leftism. The whole side is falling in line and blaming the “far left.” 

[bigbird 60,533]

4 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

So does Maher btw. He had a very nice discussion on JRE a few days ago and basically said that crazy Leftism is sending most right back into the Conservative area. We really don’t want that but, it’s better than Defund the Police, etc. But it pushes the M4A, etc so far down the road it’s hard to see now

When Maher sounds like a staunch Republican, then things should be reassessed. 

[alexava 6,973]

48 minutes ago, bigbird said:

When Maher sounds like a staunch Republican, then things should be reassessed. 

That’s exactly what Maher says!