FBI Ignores Congressional Subpoena

[Son of A Tiger 561]

The FBI ignores Congressional subpoena re. possible criminal scheme. by Biden. What are they trying to hide? They are acting like the gestapo and some top leaders need to be held accountable, replaced, and the whole agency reorganized. Surely every law abiding American should be concerned.

FBI ignores House Oversight subpoena, doesn't share document alleging 'criminal scheme' involving Biden (msn.com)

Edited May 24, 2023 by Son of A Tiger

[wdefromtx 3,159]

[icanthearyou 4,463]

Is this in reference to the "whistleblower" that Comer has "lost"?

[homersapien 11,393]

"The FBI did not comply with the House Oversight Committee’s subpoena compelling the production of an FBI document that a whistleblower alleged describes a criminal scheme involving then-Vice President Joe Biden and a foreign national relating to the exchange of money for policy decisions. 

House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer, R-Ky., subpoenaed the FBI for the document, which is an FBI-generated FD-1023 form, after a whistleblower alleged that the FBI and Justice Department were in possession of it, and claimed it detailed an "alleged criminal scheme involving then-Vice President Biden and a foreign national relating to the exchange of money for policy decisions." 

They said the whistleblower alleged the document "includes a precise description of how the alleged criminal scheme was employed as well as its purpose." 

Comer gave the FBI until Wednesday at noon to comply with the subpoena, but instead, the bureau sent a letter explaining its "confidentiality interests" and the importance of protecting sources and methods to protect U.S. national security. 

"This letter responds to your subpoena, authorized on May 3, 2023, demanding the production of documents within one week.1 As this was your first communication with the FBI seeking this information, please know that the FBI is committed to beginning the constitutionally mandated accommodation process," the letter states. "The FBI is committed to working to provide the Committee information necessary for your legitimate oversight interests, while also protecting executive branch confidentiality interests and law enforcement responsibilities." 

"The FBI appreciates this opportunity to inform you of our confidentiality interests so that we can ‘seek optimal accommodation through a realistic evaluation of’ each other’s needs and ‘avoid the polarization of disputes.'" 

The FBI added: "We are committed to working together through this process." 

The FBI explained that "sensitive law enforcement materials, like FD-1023 Confidential Human Source Reporting forms (FD-1023) in which you have expressed interest, are critical to FBI’s faithful execution of federal law and protection of U.S. national security." 

"An FD-1023 is one of many forms the FBI uses to collect and catalog information for its law enforcement and national security work. This form is used by FBI agents to record unverified reporting from a confidential human source," the letter states. "Reporting by confidential human sources is one important form of highly sensitive law enforcement information upon which the FBI relies to develop leads, assess the credibility of potential evidence and sources, build investigations, and take action to enforce the criminal law or protect national security."

The FBI explained that confidential human sources are "critical to the work of FBI as well as other members of the U.S. intelligence and law enforcement communities."

"Department of Justice policy strictly limits when and how confidential human source information can be provided outside of the FBI," the letter states. 

"You have asked for what you say is a ‘precise description’ of an ‘alleged criminal scheme’ contained in is a single FD-1023 report. You express concern that the FBI has inappropriately ‘failed to disclose’ such a report ‘to the American people,’" the FBI states."It is critical to the integrity of the entire criminal justice process and to the fulfillment of our law enforcement duties that FBI avoid revealing information—including unverified or incomplete information— that could harm investigations, prejudice prosecutions or judicial proceedings, unfairly violate privacy or reputational interests, or create misimpressions in the public." 

The FBI said "even  confirming the fact of the existence (or nonexistence) of an investigation or a particular piece of investigative information can risk these serious harms," which is "why it is—and has long been— standard practice for law enforcement agencies to decline to confirm or deny such a fact." 

"Thus, your request for a single FD-1023 report that you say includes a ‘precise description’ of an ‘alleged criminal scheme’ risks the harms that our confidentiality rules protect against," the FBI wrote. 

"We anticipate the Committee may wish to discuss its need for the specific information you requested and we would be pleased to coordinate with your staff to discuss whether and how we can accommodate your request without violating our law enforcement and national security obligations," the FBI wrote. 

 

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by homersapien

[homersapien 11,393]

This is just another example of Republicans are throwing s*** against the wall to see what sticks for political theater.

The FBI clearly has offered to work with the committee to provide the requested information without "violating law enforcement and national security obligations".

But the MAGAs running these committees are clearly more interested in exploiting the short term propaganda value of the FBI's refusal to just cough up what ever files are requested (by 'Wednesday"). 

Law enforcement and national security be damned.

 

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by homersapien

[AURex 2,018]

Just Fox being Fox. hahahaha

 

[DKW 86 7,431]

18 hours ago, homersapien said:

"The FBI did not comply with the House Oversight Committee’s subpoena compelling the production of an FBI document that a whistleblower alleged describes a criminal scheme involving then-Vice President Joe Biden and a foreign national relating to the exchange of money for policy decisions. 

House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer, R-Ky., subpoenaed the FBI for the document, which is an FBI-generated FD-1023 form, after a whistleblower alleged that the FBI and Justice Department were in possession of it, and claimed it detailed an "alleged criminal scheme involving then-Vice President Biden and a foreign national relating to the exchange of money for policy decisions." 

They said the whistleblower alleged the document "includes a precise description of how the alleged criminal scheme was employed as well as its purpose." 

Comer gave the FBI until Wednesday at noon to comply with the subpoena, but instead, the bureau sent a letter explaining its "confidentiality interests" and the importance of protecting sources and methods to protect U.S. national security. 

"This letter responds to your subpoena, authorized on May 3, 2023, demanding the production of documents within one week.1 As this was your first communication with the FBI seeking this information, please know that the FBI is committed to beginning the constitutionally mandated accommodation process," the letter states. "The FBI is committed to working to provide the Committee information necessary for your legitimate oversight interests, while also protecting executive branch confidentiality interests and law enforcement responsibilities." 

"The FBI appreciates this opportunity to inform you of our confidentiality interests so that we can ‘seek optimal accommodation through a realistic evaluation of’ each other’s needs and ‘avoid the polarization of disputes.'" 

The FBI added: "We are committed to working together through this process." 

The FBI explained that "sensitive law enforcement materials, like FD-1023 Confidential Human Source Reporting forms (FD-1023) in which you have expressed interest, are critical to FBI’s faithful execution of federal law and protection of U.S. national security." 

"An FD-1023 is one of many forms the FBI uses to collect and catalog information for its law enforcement and national security work. This form is used by FBI agents to record unverified reporting from a confidential human source," the letter states. "Reporting by confidential human sources is one important form of highly sensitive law enforcement information upon which the FBI relies to develop leads, assess the credibility of potential evidence and sources, build investigations, and take action to enforce the criminal law or protect national security."

The FBI explained that confidential human sources are "critical to the work of FBI as well as other members of the U.S. intelligence and law enforcement communities."

"Department of Justice policy strictly limits when and how confidential human source information can be provided outside of the FBI," the letter states. 

"You have asked for what you say is a ‘precise description’ of an ‘alleged criminal scheme’ contained in is a single FD-1023 report. You express concern that the FBI has inappropriately ‘failed to disclose’ such a report ‘to the American people,’" the FBI states."It is critical to the integrity of the entire criminal justice process and to the fulfillment of our law enforcement duties that FBI avoid revealing information—including unverified or incomplete information— that could harm investigations, prejudice prosecutions or judicial proceedings, unfairly violate privacy or reputational interests, or create misimpressions in the public." 

The FBI said "even  confirming the fact of the existence (or nonexistence) of an investigation or a particular piece of investigative information can risk these serious harms," which is "why it is—and has long been— standard practice for law enforcement agencies to decline to confirm or deny such a fact." 

"Thus, your request for a single FD-1023 report that you say includes a ‘precise description’ of an ‘alleged criminal scheme’ risks the harms that our confidentiality rules protect against," the FBI wrote. 

"We anticipate the Committee may wish to discuss its need for the specific information you requested and we would be pleased to coordinate with your staff to discuss whether and how we can accommodate your request without violating our law enforcement and national security obligations," the FBI wrote. 

 

 

And it all benefits Joe Biden, so there's that...

That is the most demented BS I think I ever read. What is it that the NYT says? Democracy dies in darkness? See anyone in the press trying to get the info out? 

[homersapien 11,393]

7 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

And it all benefits Joe Biden, so there's that...

That is the most demented BS I think I ever read. What is it that the NYT says? Democracy dies in darkness? See anyone in the press trying to get the info out? 

We get it David. 

You are a firm believer in the "Deep State".

BTW, when did the "deep state" turn liberal?  The FBI's history  in particular shows that to the extent a "deep state" ever existed, it operated from a right wing perspective. (See Hoover and M.L. King, for example)

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by homersapien

[AU9377 4,979]

The FBI is part of the Justice Dept, which is part of the executive branch of government.  Where would this idea to ignore a Congressional subpoena possibly come from? Surely nobody in the past has been this brazen or this cavalier when it comes to their respect for Congressional subpoenas.

Bill Barr ordered all employees of the DOJ to ignore Congressional subpoenas just a couple of years ago.  The outrage was fleeting... unless it is coming from Fox in 2023.

[AURex 2,018]

They got no "whistleblower", they got no evidence, they got no authority, they got nuthin. They are just making sheet up, playing to the Trumpist base. They got nuthin.

 

[DKW 86 7,431]

1 hour ago, AURex said:

They got no "whistleblower", they got no evidence, they got no authority, they got nuthin. They are just making sheet up, playing to the Trumpist base. They got nuthin.

 

Well, the Democrats took nothin and ran four years with it...

[icanthearyou 4,463]

14 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Well, the Democrats took nothin and ran four years with it...

This is a lie. 

"Russia, if you are listening"

"But first, I need you to do us a favor"

"Stolen election"

 

 

 

[jj3jordan 2,056]

On 5/29/2023 at 2:44 PM, AU9377 said:

The FBI is part of the Justice Dept, which is part of the executive branch of government.  Where would this idea to ignore a Congressional subpoena possibly come from? Surely nobody in the past has been this brazen or this cavalier when it comes to their respect for Congressional subpoenas.

Bill Barr ordered all employees of the DOJ to ignore Congressional subpoenas just a couple of years ago.  The outrage was fleeting... unless it is coming from Fox in 2023.

Yes!  Eric Holder. 

[Son of A Tiger 561]

The FBI ignores another deadline for providing a document requested by Congress via subpoena. What are they trying to hide? We all, GOP or DEM deserve to know.

Biden investigation: FBI fails to comply with subpoena for Biden ‘criminal scheme’ document | Washington Examiner

FBI Director Defies Kevin McCarthy's Warning on Documents Deadline (msn.com)

 

 

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Son of A Tiger

[aubiefifty 16,823]

On 5/29/2023 at 9:58 PM, DKW 86 said:

Well, the Democrats took nothin and ran four years with it...

well hunteris what six years and counting david?  naner naner..........grins

[aubiefifty 16,823]

1 hour ago, Son of A Tiger said:

The FBI ignores another deadline for providing a document requested by Congress via subpoena. What are they trying to hide? We all, GOP or DEM deserve to know.

Biden investigation: FBI fails to comply with subpoena for Biden ‘criminal scheme’ document | Washington Examiner

 

 

 

they have already come out and said to quit making the fbi and others political. they looked and found a huge nothing burger. they even said it might look bad but they broke no laws. all this is just revenge bull because trump could not keep his mouth shut and will be in trouble for a while.

[Son of A Tiger 561]

Wow I'm blown away if you believe that. Just a couple of questions:

1. You don't believe the FBI is political after the Comey/Clinton fiasco?

1. If there is nothing there why won't the FBI simply give Congress the requested documen?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Son of A Tiger 561]

On 5/29/2023 at 2:44 PM, AU9377 said:

 

Bill Barr ordered all employees of the DOJ to ignore Congressional subpoenas just a couple of years ago.  The outrage was fleeting... unless it is coming from Fox in 2023.

Link?

[GoAU 1,600]

On 5/29/2023 at 9:14 PM, AURex said:

They got no "whistleblower", they got no evidence, they got no authority, they got nuthin. They are just making sheet up, playing to the Trumpist base. They got nuthin.

 

If there's nothing to hide, why not share the "nothing"?

[AURex 2,018]

FBI did NOT ignore the Congressional request to see the documents. The FBI offered to let committee members view the documents at FBI HQ, a secure location. This is common practice when a federal "asset" (spy) could be put at risk. This happens all the time. It is common practice.

FBI says that there is no verification of any information provided by the supposed "whistleblower." Nobody in the Administration will do anything just based on some dude spouting unverifiable claims. Some sort of verification is required.

So, since it is common practice to have sensitive documents viewed in a secured facility, as FBI offered, why would these Congressional Republicans decline the offer? Why would they keep referring to a whistleblower they cannot actually find, much less produce?

So what happens if the Congressional committee files for contempt of Congress? (1) Will the DOJ prosecute the head of the FBI? hahaha (2) Would a court rule in favor of the committee after the FBI offered to let them see the documents they want to see? hahaha

It is all Republican games, which they admit, is simply to try to support Trump and undermine Biden in the forthcoming election. Just showboating.

 

[DKW 86 7,431]

On 5/30/2023 at 12:40 PM, icanthearyou said:

This is a lie. 

"Russia, if you are listening"

"But first, I need you to do us a favor"

"Stolen election"

Sometimes you are sssooo funny. Most American Voters now believe that to be a false story.

Only die-hard Dems still believe it is true.

[DKW 86 7,431]

18 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

well hunteris what six years and counting david?  naner naner..........grins

More like one year. but I get the point.

[DKW 86 7,431]

8 hours ago, AURex said:

FBI did NOT ignore the Congressional request to see the documents. The FBI offered to let committee members view the documents at FBI HQ, a secure location. This is common practice when a federal "asset" (spy) could be put at risk. This happens all the time. It is common practice.

FBI says that there is no verification of any information provided by the supposed "whistleblower." Nobody in the Administration will do anything just based on some dude spouting unverifiable claims. Some sort of verification is required.

So, since it is common practice to have sensitive documents viewed in a secured facility, as FBI offered, why would these Congressional Republicans decline the offer? Why would they keep referring to a whistleblower they cannot actually find, much less produce?

So what happens if the Congressional committee files for contempt of Congress? (1) Will the DOJ prosecute the head of the FBI? hahaha (2) Would a court rule in favor of the committee after the FBI offered to let them see the documents they want to see? hahaha

It is all Republican games, which they admit, is simply to try to support Trump and undermine Biden in the forthcoming election. Just showboating.

 

You do realize that if what you said was 1% reality we would not have had the summer of Mar-a-lago and Garage Documents? These documents are lying around every office in Dc it would seem. We have no document control except when it is embarrassing to some pol in DC.

[Son of A Tiger 561]

An example of an inept FBI. Lost their spy.

How the FBI Lost, Found, and Rewarded the Alleged Russian Spy Pivotal to Surveilling Trump | RealClearInvestigations

 

[homersapien 11,393]

4 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Sometimes you are sssooo funny. Most American Voters now believe that to be a false story.

Only die-hard Dems still believe it is true.

Those were quotes David, not claims.

And it was an incomplete list. 

For example:  ‘Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.’  (Eric Trump)

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/332270-eric-trump-in-2014-we-dont-rely-on-american-banks-we-have-all-the-funding-we/

And just because Mueller didn't indict Trump specifically for (legal) "collusion" with Russia in the election, doesn't mean Russia didn't assist the Trump campaign, which they welcomed. 

And it certainly doesn't mean there are plenty of other secret ties between Trump, Putin and Russia.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/

https://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

You are more interested in trying to demonstrate iconoclastic neutrality regarding this than you are in seeing the truth.