We Rs are our own enemy

[LPTiger 5,166]

So a republican congressman from Tennessee is publicly alleging that McCarthy intentionally elbowed him in the back because he is one of the 8.   I get it that no one likes to be touched or as this guy tries to make it out assaulted.   And, if McCarthy did it intentionally, he too is acting like a 10 year old.  But, what benefit is there to airing this dirty laundry publicly?  The guy from Tennessee comes off as a playground crybaby trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.  And, for further proof he isn't a thinking grown up, he takes a shot at McCarthy for being from California.   "In Tennessee we face people face to face, I guess in California they hit you in the back."   What purpose does that serve?  We need to learn how not to do damage to ourselves.   For all the many faults of the Ds, those cats sure stick together, at least far better than we do.

 

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[arein0 958]

It all started when you opened PandoraTrump's box. Yeah, he won the election, but he also let the crazy gain too much power within the party.

[auburnatl1 4,935]

6 minutes ago, LPTiger said:

So a republican congressman from Tennessee is publicly alleging that McCarthy intentionally elbowed him in the back because he is one of the 8.   I get it that no one likes to be touched or as this guy tries to make it out assaulted.   And, if McCarthy did it intentionally, he too is acting like a 10 year old.  But, what benefit is there to airing this dirty laundry publicly?  The guy from Tennessee comes off as a playground crybaby trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.  And, for further proof he isn't a thinking grown up, he takes a shot at McCarthy for being from California.   "In Tennessee we face people face to face, I guess in California they hit you in the back."   What purpose does that serve?  We need to learn how not to do damage to ourselves.   For all the many faults of the Ds, those cats sure stick together, at least far better than we do.

 

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The issue I have with democrats is the classic liberal stuff -little attention to the border, over regulation, big government, no pragmatism in how to balance of strategic environmental concerns with energy independence, ect.  Bernie-ville. I disagree with them at a policy level.

The issue i have with the “new” republicans is completely different. Generally dumb as rocks, conspiracy-oriented, and vindictive culturally. Misfits. What maga sees as “tough” is really just angry kid behavior. I disagree with them at an ability level.  

[economystupid 23]

2 hours ago, LPTiger said:

So a republican congressman from Tennessee is publicly alleging that McCarthy intentionally elbowed him in the back because he is one of the 8.   I get it that no one likes to be touched or as this guy tries to make it out assaulted.   And, if McCarthy did it intentionally, he too is acting like a 10 year old.  But, what benefit is there to airing this dirty laundry publicly?  The guy from Tennessee comes off as a playground crybaby trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.  And, for further proof he isn't a thinking grown up, he takes a shot at McCarthy for being from California.   "In Tennessee we face people face to face, I guess in California they hit you in the back."   What purpose does that serve?  We need to learn how not to do damage to ourselves.   For all the many faults of the Ds, those cats sure stick together, at least far better than we do.

 

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If McCarthy was a "thinking grown up"....he'd be a Democrat. 

[icanthearyou 4,463]

1 hour ago, auburnatl1 said:

over regulation, big government, no pragmatism in how to balance of strategic environmental concerns with energy independence,

Yeah, you just cannot win anymore.  The super wealthy are getting crushed.  American business has never seen such a decline.  And,,, as we have spent years reducing the size of government (privatization), only the cost of government increases.

Seems as though American business just cannot buy enough government.

[auburnatl1 4,935]

23 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Yeah, you just cannot win anymore.  The super wealthy are getting crushed.  American business has never seen such a decline.  And,,, as we have spent years reducing the size of government (privatization), only the cost of government increases.

Seems as though American business just cannot buy enough government.

Ichy, while I find our capitalism vs the wonders of big gov debates kinda fun - it’s not the main issue right now. Trump is. As I’ve said before (and not being totally fair), it’s  the lefts marxist rants and policies that have partially contributed  to unhinging the individual rights centric people. Intrusive gov. Progressives gave a conspiracy centric demographic the perfect fodder.  Then mocked them. And surprise - immune system reaction - maga. 

Id prefer both sides would moderate their utopian/dystopian visions for a while, or those greedy capitalists bastards are going to be the least of your problems.

Edited November 14, 2023 by auburnatl1

[icanthearyou 4,463]

1 hour ago, auburnatl1 said:

those greedy capitalists bastards are going to be the least of your problems.

No.  Those people consolidating power, buying government, creating poverty, debt are the problem.

It's not that they are capitalists,,, they are not.  It's that they are sociopaths with insatiable greed for wealth and, lust for power.

I know you think highly of them, believe they are special.  By what virtue?  They aren't the ones creating.  They are too often the ones with the power and desire to monetize.

[icanthearyou 4,463]

1 hour ago, auburnatl1 said:

while I find our capitalism vs the wonders of big gov debates kinda fun - it’s not the main issue right now

It is the issue.  It is always the issue.  It is politics. 

Totally "free" markets is a delusion.  You see it as a personal contest.  That is wrong because,,, power is constantly in play.  Too many forget how power moves the supply/demand curves.

Good government is necessary to balance power so that power cannot consolidate and destroy capitalism and democracy.

Edited November 14, 2023 by icanthearyou

[auburnatl1 4,935]

1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

It is the issue.  It is always the issue.  It is politics. 

Totally "free" markets is a delusion.  You see it as a personal contest.  That is wrong because,,, power is constantly in play.  Too many forget how power moves the supply/demand curves.

Good government is necessary to balance power so that power cannot consolidate and destroy capitalism and democracy.

I know your pov on this issue. Many many many times. Again, i was talking individual rights and border. ie Gender issues, crime, gun control, religion, illegal immigration, … light bulbs, ect. That’s the raw meat that fuels maga. 

Consider this. Trump is your often ranted about evil manipulative capitalist - and the lower working class adores him.  

[icanthearyou 4,463]

7 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

I know your pov on this issue. Many many many times. Again, i was talking individual rights and border. ie Gender issues, crime, gun control, religion, illegal immigration, … light bulbs, ect. That’s the raw meat that fuels maga. 

Consider this. Trump is your often ranted about evil manipulative capitalist - and the lower working class adores him.  

Now you have changed the focus.  You have gone from "capitalism versus big government" to Trump.

Either way, ignorance, misinformation, the manipulation through fear and anger,,,  no matter, all part of the same issue,,, propaganda and indoctrination that stifles thought and demands conformance to power. 

Are you a servant to power or,,, to principle.  Trump has never been the sickness.  He is merely a symptom.

Again, politics is class warfare.  Truth must be gleaned through history, logic, humanity.  Many are incapable of understanding.  They are driven by emotion, manipulation, indoctrination.

The answer is the same,,, balance through the dispersion of power.  Democracy, education, information are the keys.

Left and right are not social directions (that is a distraction).  They are political economic directions.  They are all about who will economically benefit from political power.   The real question is,,, are we on course, too far left or, too far right.  In an environment of growth, with historic, dramatic inequality,,, I think the answer is obvious.

[AuCivilEng1 11,012]

On 11/14/2023 at 3:33 PM, economystupid said:

If McCarthy was a "thinking grown up"....he'd be a Democrat. 

Straight , accurate, and to the point. I like it!

[icanthearyou 4,463]

On 11/14/2023 at 12:40 PM, arein0 said:

It all started when you opened PandoraTrump's box. Yeah, he won the election, but he also let the crazy gain too much power within the party.

Disagree.  It all started with Republicans feasting on the vile ideas of Rush Limbaugh.  He taught one half of the country to hate, despise, loath the other half.  He created the hateful echo chamber.

In the end,,, I do not believe he did it out of any spirit other than greed.

Trump did not create the emotional, ignorant hate.  He merely exploited what was already there.

[SaltyTiger 7,812]

1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

Disagree.  It all started with Republicans feasting on the vile ideas of Rush Limbaugh.  He taught one half of the country to hate, despise, loath the other half.  He created the hateful echo chamber.

In the end,,, I do not believe he did it out of any spirit other than greed.

Trump did not create the emotional, ignorant hate.  He merely exploited what was already there.

So you are lumping one half of the country into “hate, despise and loath. 

[auburnatl1 4,935]

2 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

Disagree.  It all started with Republicans feasting on the vile ideas of Rush Limbaugh.  He taught one half of the country to hate, despise, loath the other half.  He created the hateful echo chamber.

In the end,,, I do not believe he did it out of any spirit other than greed.

Trump did not create the emotional, ignorant hate.  He merely exploited what was already there.

I actually agree with this.  I know many still revere him but I remember that he didn’t position liberals as a competing American ideology - he positioned them as the enemy.  Not wrong - evil. Shock stuff. He’d always have only 2-3 attack talking points every show and just beat them to death. Pioneered Hannity, Walter’s ect techniques today.

I do think he did it strictly for ratings, but regardless of motive, he unleashed a destructive mindset.

[SaltyTiger 7,812]

6 hours ago, auburnatl1 said:

I actually agree with this.  I know many still revere him but I remember that he didn’t position liberals as a competing American ideology - he positioned them as the enemy.  Not wrong - evil. Shock stuff. He’d always have only 2-3 attack talking points every show and just beat them to death. Pioneered Hannity, Walter’s ect techniques today.

I do think he did it strictly for ratings, but regardless of motive, he unleashed a destructive mindset.

So you agree that Rush taught 1/2 the country to hate, etc… Half the country did not listen to the man. Many that did saw him as entertaining. Many of his snippets sounded awful when taken out of context. I agree he paved the way for others like Hannity who is horrible.

[auburnatl1 4,935]

8 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

So you agree that Rush taught 1/2 the country to hate, etc… Half the country did not listen to the man. Many that did saw him as entertaining. Many of his snippets sounded awful when taken out of context. I agree he paved the way for others like Hannity who is horrible.

I don’t think he “taught people to hate”. But there are those that are emotionally and intellectually   prone to conspiracy - the refs are out to get us types.  And he preyed on them. O’reilly transitioned his approach to fox and then it spread.

[SaltyTiger 7,812]

15 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

I don’t think he “taught people to hate”. But there are those that are emotionally and intellectually   prone to conspiracy - the refs are out to get us types.  And he preyed on them. O’reilly transitioned his approach to fox and then it spread.

Yet you endorsed ICHY’s claim that he is responsible for the craziness, hate, blah, blah with 50% of Americans.  A bit different from saying he preyed on paranoid types. 

[auburnatl1 4,935]

5 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Yet you endorsed ICHY’s claim that he is responsible for the craziness, hate, blah, blah with 50% of Americans.  A bit different from saying he preyed on paranoid types. 

I disagree with ichy on about … everything regarding politics and capitalism vs socialism. I was only agreeing that Rush was probably the beginning of the maga movement - which I’m not a fan of.  Watch a Reagan speech on YouTube and then trump.

I’ll stop there.

[SaltyTiger 7,812]

2 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

I disagree with ichy on about … everything regarding politics and capitalism vs socialism. I was only agreeing that Rush was probably the beginning of the maga movement - which I’m not a fan of.  Watch a Reagan speech on YouTube and then trump.

I’ll stop there.

Don’t need to. Reagan came in the era that I began to pay attention politically. Intrigued by Watergate prior and read every book printed about it in the day.

Transfer of information and emotion is instant today. Different world and contributes to all the craziness. 

[icanthearyou 4,463]

22 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

So you are lumping one half of the country into “hate, despise and loath. 

Well,,, not you.  Also, you left out ignorance as part of the equation.

Them demoncrats is all socialists.  They hate America.  They wont too destroy America.  You know how that goes. 

[SaltyTiger 7,812]

On 11/17/2023 at 9:55 AM, icanthearyou said:

You know how that goes. 

Of course……two democrats had places at Mexico Beach before the hurricane. We really kept a close eye on them.

Seriously, one of the big swinging liberal lady democrats went to bat for the community post hurricane and did an unbelievable job. She knew how to work FEMA and accomplished things that our “ignorant” good ole boys would have never dreamed. By choice she moved to Atlanta a few years after the hurricane. If not she could have remained as city manager or mayor in a Trump worshiping area.