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Study: Sierra snowfall consistent over 130 years

Peter Fimrite

Wednesday, February 15, 2012


Snowfall in the Sierra Nevada has remained consistent for 130 years, with no evidence that anything has changed as a result of climate change, according to a study released Tuesday.

The analysis of snowfall data in the Sierra going back to 1878 found no more or less snow overall - a result that, on the surface, appears to contradict aspects of recent climate change models.

John Christy, the Alabama state climatologist who authored the study, said the amount of snow in the mountains has not decreased in the past 50 years, a period when greenhouse gases were supposed to have increased the effects of global warming.

The heaping piles of snow that fell in the Sierra last winter and the paltry amounts this year fall within the realm of normal weather variability, he concluded.

"The dramatic claims about snow disappearing in the Sierra just are not verified," said Christy, a climate change skeptic and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. "It looks like you're going to have snow for the foreseeable future."

Climate experts and water resources officials were immediately skeptical of the report, pointing out that it doesn't come to a meaningful conclusion and uses data from a ragtag collection of people, many of them amateurs.

Christy's study used snow measurements from railroad officials, loggers, mining companies, hydroelectric utilities, water districts and government organizations going back to 1878. That's when railroad workers began measuring the snowpack's depth near the tracks at Echo Summit using a device similar to a yardstick.

"No one else had looked at this data in detail," said Christy, a Fresno native who said some of the information will be published in the American Meteorological Society's online Journal of Hydrometeorology.

Christy divided California into 18 regions based on the amount of snow that falls and on the quality of the records for that region, and crunched the numbers. They show no changes in average snowfall over the 130 years and no changes from 1975 to 2000, a period when studies have shown that global temperatures rose. The snow level was consistent even in the Sierra's western slope, where much of California's water supply comes from.

"California has huge year-to-year variations and that's expected to continue," Christy said. "California is having a snow drought so far this winter, while last year the state had much heavier than normal snowfall. But over the long term, there just isn't a trend up or down."

Mike Dettinger, a climatologist and research hydrologist at the Scripps Institute of the U.S. Geological Survey, said Christy is picking and choosing data while misleading people about what climate change scientists are actually saying.

For one, he said, snow depth is not as good a measure of the winter weather conditions as water content and density.

The number of inches or feet of snow on the ground can mean a variety of things, he said, depending on if it is fluffy powder or compacted, wet snow.

Recent studies by Scripps scientists have found that over the last 50 years the southern Sierra snowpack has gotten larger while the northern Sierra pack has shrunk. Although they have predicted the overall state snowpack would decrease over time as a result of climate change, nobody has claimed that it has happened yet, Dettinger said.

What's significant in terms of global warming, he said, is the fact that the snowpack has declined over three quarters of the western United States, an area that includes Montana, Wyoming and New Mexico. Scripps researchers, in coordination with Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory scientists, have concluded that 60 percent of that downward trend is due to greenhouse gases.

"There is a popular conception that the snowpack has declined everywhere, but that is not what the science says," Dettinger said. "What we're saying broadly is that across western North America there have been declines in spring snowpack."

Peter Fimrite is a San Francisco Chronicle staff writer. pfimrite@sfchronicle.com

Dang the article is from the San Francisco Chronicle

It looks like those who claimed the debate over (because they said so) can now be called deniers.

Not only the are the Sierras proving to be inconvenient, the sea levels also refuse to cooperate with the preachers of doom. Gore and his mind - numbed robots love charts and graphs. Have fun with this one.

Sea level still not cooperating with predictions

Posted on February 14, 2012 by Anthony Watts

The university of Colorado has recently updated their sea level graph from the TOPEX satellite data. The 60 day smoothed trend is still stalled and shows no rise over what was seen since the peak in mid 2010:


The really interesting data is from ENVISAT, which shows no upward trend:


Sea level is lower than eight years ago, and according to the graph above just passed the lowest annual peak in the Envisat record.

It’s damned inconvenient.


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1. Snowfall is not the same as temperature. In fact more snowfall could be evidence of warmer overall temperatures. It takes water vapor to make snow, and it takes heat to make water vapor.

2. Your sea-level graph appears to be climbing over time.

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1. Snowfall is not the same as temperature. (No $hit Sherlock) In fact more snowfall could be evidence of warmer overall temperatures. (Yep snows a lot in June, July & August) It takes water vapor to make snow, and it takes heat to make water vapor.

2. Your sea-level graph appears to be climbing over time. (Yes just like it has gone down over time. In fact just like global temperatures it fluctuated over years.)

The point of the snowfall data is to point out the obvious that despite the hysterical claims of those who have perpetrated the global cooling, no it's warming, no now it's cooling massive fraud on a gullible public.

It's all about power and money and those who want it and I think you know that Justin.

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