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A few articles to corroborate this type are:

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2019/4/5/18295457/positionless-offense-and-the-21-spread-hybrids-spread-i

 

And this one which emphasizes QB Play. (The main reason why I feel the way I do about JG)

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2015/3/27/8299593/the-ultimate-spread-formation-offense-dual-threat-QB


Now, this offense would be the extreme version of the 21 spread that focuses on leaning out the TE more and replacing the extra back with a WR/RB Hybrid player or a TE/WR Hybrid. All would be flexed giving an ambiguity to all formations regardless.

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I posted in another topic about having JG in on third and short or four and short situations.   I don’t believe it could be stopped as long as the plays are mixed up out of the same formations.  

I’ve played sports (all three in HS and one in college) and I’m completely at a loss on why someone that is paid so much money can’t comprehend on how to properly utilize the assets that they have.  

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Really love reading other posters who know WAY more about Xs and Os than I do. (EDIT: It's a low bar, admittedly.) Keep it up, fellas.

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In simple laywoman's terms, do I extrapolate correctly that obviously the more moving parts an offense has, the more difficult job any defense would have figuring it out? Annnnnd...the more playing time a variety of players gets, usually the better they get, side benefit increased morale? Asking for...myself. 😉🦋 

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Great post Flex. While I don't understand all of the X's, and O's, I certainly understand the concept. Ironically, I was driving down the road thinking along this very line yesterday. We consistently have defenses stacking the box on us, and need to spread them out more. As I have stated before, Gus is long overdue at hiring a true passing game coordinator to instill some better concepts into the  offense. I have been highly critical of Gus for a few years now, but I generally like the man, and would love to see him succeed. The problem is as I see it other teams hire qualified experts, and Gus hires yes men, and recruiters. At least on the offensive side. Just my $.02

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For what it matters... LOL

When NCAA was still a football video game I would run the 4WR spread flex and literally ran this philosophy of offense. There is so many options you can run out of this formation with a mobile QB and TE/HBack at big slot. Mesh option with QB/RB against a 4-5 man front isolates the run defense, but if they put in 5-6 in the box you run quick slant with speed slots. You can run Jet sweep or motion PA with speed slot to get the D thinking, combo deep posts or layers, drift TE into the backfield and run power or PA.

 

I know it's remedial when I talk about it compared to flex, but surely SOMEONE knows this on our 10 million dollar coaching staff?

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and please... for the love of all things good and holy... after putting our best WR's on the field and spreading them out...

leave the same guy's on the field WITHOUT substituting and GO FAST!!!

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Before Florida Gus was doing a lot more running out of the 4 wide this season.  If you are a big believer that Auburn’s plays are all predetermined it would make a lot more sense for Gus to have both Schwartz and Williams on the field as a form of smoke and mirrors.  This will probably be the next thing that Auburn starts doing regularly and everyone beats their head against the wall for not doing this sooner.  Bo will have to play better in big games for defenses not to load the box even against 4 wide formations.

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One would think a 49 million dollar mind could figure this out as well. Instead, we get single wing whirlybird. One day this will all end, unless of course, it doesn’t. 

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1 hour ago, WDE_OxPx_2010 said:

For what it matters... LOL

When NCAA was still a football video game I would run the 4WR spread flex and literally ran this philosophy of offense. There is so many options you can run out of this formation with a mobile QB and TE/HBack at big slot. Mesh option with QB/RB against a 4-5 man front isolates the run defense, but if they put in 5-6 in the box you run quick slant with speed slots. You can run Jet sweep or motion PA with speed slot to get the D thinking, combo deep posts or layers, drift TE into the backfield and run power or PA.

 

I know it's remedial when I talk about it compared to flex, but surely SOMEONE knows this on our 10 million dollar coaching staff?

Yeah, its a pretty "broken" strategy in that if you have trained your QB on the progression of the reads, then this personnel will literally make any call seem genius. For one thing, building options into your base run play is basically like having ready made play-action. Another point to notice is that EVERY player in the secondary is "busy" in so far as they can't simply sit back into their zone and watch for the run. They have to respect spacing in zone coverage and make sure they don't get beat to the edge. Meanwhile in man, it simply eliminates the issue of running against a loaded box altogether. Blitzes can come but they simply get picked apart by a pop-pass on the RPO. And if all else fails, your QB can chew up yards and keep the tired defense on the field and make them constantly keep up with ever-changing assignments and responsibilities while having to sprint out to the horizontal edges of the field. 

For a "System" coach like Gus, this would be an amazing benefit but he'd have to give up on some of his philosophy with the Wing-T elements and adapt to a modern day play-style. It would also mean chucking the inside zone runs to the wayside for the most part as this offensive personnel and strategy works on pinning defensive fronts inside the box and allowing the back(s) to get outside in a hurry.

45 minutes ago, Win4AU said:

Before Florida Gus was doing a lot more running out of the 4 wide this season.  If you are a big believer that Auburn’s plays are all predetermined it would make a lot more sense for Gus to have both Schwartz and Williams on the field as a form of smoke and mirrors.  This will probably be the next thing that Auburn starts doing regularly and everyone beats their head against the wall for not doing this sooner.  Bo will have to play better in big games for defenses not to load the box even against 4 wide formations.

Right, but even with 4 wides Gus never really tailored what his WRs were doing on any given plays. It was a lot of chase-offs and having them block which is fine, but its really not optimal when your philosophy is supposed to be to make the defense wrong on every play. If its a 50/50 on whats going to happen and its predetermined, then a good DC and MLB will be able to flip that coin and be right. 

Now assume there are 4-5 different people who can get the ball on any given play and its subject to change based on how you react. Now there is a 20% chance to successfully diagnose pre-snap and even then the players on the offense have a chance to make you wrong. Heck with just the outside zone alone, if we have a good enough RB that can get LBs flowing in a direction quickly setting them up to get washed, one cutback is like death. And w/ 4 Wide spread out and having the possibility to get the ball in their hands in a moment's notice, the secondary can't afford to be too deep or they will give up chunk plays that keep the drive alive. This flattens them out and reduces the chances of them stopping a speedier back in a foot race because they're too far out and too close to the LOS. In essence, the core philosophy of spreading to run. 

1 hour ago, JGLEATON said:

and please... for the love of all things good and holy... after putting our best WR's on the field and spreading them out...

leave the same guy's on the field WITHOUT substituting and GO FAST!!!

Well we've tried to go fast, but a lot of times I think Gus has gotten too much into the practice of substituting and having sub-packages and different personnel groups. This builds a tendency for each group and makes you more predictable no matter how fast you go. If a defense has to only choose between 2-3 outcomes per package, their play speed will significantly increase. 

If every play requires them to play option football in the run game while respecting the RPO at the same time as well as a bubble screen outside, then suddenly you've got them processing a lot of information while contending with world-class speed athletes and on extended drives this makes it almost unnecessary to wait for a shot play. It also boosts redzone efficiency.
 

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3 minutes ago, nixtosanders94 said:

We have a huge HC problem...

If he is stuck in his ways then yes.

I'm not averse to Alabama so I can say for sure, Saban is the pinnacle of what a Head Coach should be. He has no problem adapting to the times, he has a specialty and stays in that specialty (DBs). He doesn't try to do more than he really can so you won't find him trying to micromanage and call the plays (I assume this is from Bill Bel. "Do your job"). And his team takes on different forms every year based on what they've got. 

Its a shame to say that Alabama is probably more modernized on offense than we are and they are the most-stubborn of schools as far as tradition goes. From a methodical ground and pound w/ a game manager at QB, they've turned into a Big-12 style spread with weapons all over the receiving corps, a do-it-all backfield and impressive Time of Possession/Scoring Ratio. 

You can't be a dinosaur in today's game of football and when you look at the other teams in the SEC, the one team that has changed the least is Auburn. Even LSU is an explosive offensive attack that has achieved balance if not 60/40 slant to the pass over the run now. 

Why haven't we?

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Added 2 new sample plays to OP:


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A versatile pass play w/ safety nets built in that stresses all natures of defense. 3 routes that go vertical in some manner to stress Cov2. (One of which is a opposite seam route.) Built in hot mesh by the X in case of blitz. Also a wheel route to replace the X's spot which forces LB (assuming they're in nickel and only use 2 LBs to first read the mesh and then have to get out on a wheel w/ a back with plenty of space to cover.) H runs a 10 Yd. Out which can be a safe throw in case of perfectly played Cov3. And Z goes Vertical to clear out space or provide a home run throw should DBs miss assign or get tangled up.

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Another run play, this time out of a stacked look to the left. TE/Slot 2 is detached and in slot and can run a tunnel screen for QB to pitch after reading & choosing not to pull or hand off should the backside backer flow too aggressively. Or he can hand off if the playside backer gets stuck in mud at which point the TE or slot simply walls off that backer through the hole like a FB would allowing for a cutback should the center or guard & tackle cut their men off. QB has option to read edge defender & pull it should they crash the mesh at which he can look to throw the screen to the H (kind of a tricky throw if he pulls it but can be done.) Or he can throw the screen if he sees favorable leverage. Also has the option to hit the RPO slant depending on CB leverage on the Z. Just another basic run play that has many ways to make the defenders wrong regardless thanks to playing with 4 receivers all spread out. This play works because the extra spacing gives the QB more time to make reads than if they were lined up closer.

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Thank you Flex!  Great analysis. I have been saying this for five years.  You go much more in depth and strategize better than I ever could with it.  For the life of me, I don't understand how Gus can not see that his base offense is no longer viable.  

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If this isn’t a post of the year candidate then I don’t know what one is. Outstanding insight on this one Flex. 

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LOVE LOVE LOOOOOOOOVE THIS POST! Preaching to the mother freaking choir man! Honestly if you just look at our historical all time passing and receiving record book IT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PUTRID!!!!!!!!! For a non service academy we have to have some of the worst all time numbers when it comes to QB and WR stats all time for a power 5 school. It is depressing. I mean only two 3k yard passers for a single season in our school HISTORY?!?! Same goes for a 1k yard wr???? Only two 1k yard WR in a single season in our looooooooooong history? Just yikes man. 

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7 hours ago, GwillMac6 said:

LOVE LOVE LOOOOOOOOVE THIS POST! Preaching to the mother freaking choir man! Honestly if you just look at our historical all time passing and receiving record book IT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PUTRID!!!!!!!!! For a non service academy we have to have some of the worst all time numbers when it comes to QB and WR stats all time for a power 5 school. It is depressing. I mean only two 3k yard passers for a single season in our school HISTORY?!?! Same goes for a 1k yard wr???? Only two 1k yard WR in a single season in our looooooooooong history? Just yikes man. 

Yeah, well that's going to be the deciding factor of Auburn's future success. Adapting and becoming a more prolific passing attack. 

 

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Just wanted to say thank you for the informative posts @Malcolm_FleX48.  I really enjoy your insights sir & War Eagle!

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3 minutes ago, fishepa said:

I like watching LSU’s offense. If only we had their play caller. 

Auburn actually DID have him awhile back, LOL!

Of course, he only had High Nall to work with then and now he has wunderkind Joe Brady.

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45 minutes ago, AUsince72 said:

Auburn actually DID have him awhile back, LOL!

Of course, he only had High Nall to work with then and now he has wunderkind Joe Brady.

Funny how those things work. Yeah, even interim OC...

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