“GOP is the pro-crime party”

[TexasTiger 12,848]

No floor. No standards. No ethics. MAGA! 

[aubiefifty 16,777]

lev parnas has sure been telling the news. trump, barr, nunez, perry, and so many more are  being exposed for what they are. barr is the worst of them. people still do not understand he never released the full mueller report in one of those trust me wink wink moments. he has put trump and company above the country. i have absolutely no faith in the reppublican senate.  mitch comes out and says he will work with trump and company when he is supposed to be fair and partial. he is serving his master in the oval office instead of the people. if trump gets away with all this s*** i fear it is the beginning of the end for our great country. and yes i believe that.

[Mikey 16,582]

10 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

lev parnas has sure been telling the fake news.

Fixed that for you. He's nothing but another democrat tool/liar.

On to this trial: Why should it be fair and impartial? The proceedings in the House were not. I say the Senate should work with the Administration to pile as much discredit and embarrassment on the Democrats as possible before announcing a finding of "Not Guilty on all Counts."

Speaking of fair, why are not any candidates for President barred from the proceedings? They clearly have a conflict of interest and would not be seated on a normal jury.

[DKW 86 7,419]

I dont think they have thought all this thru. I really dont.  

You come at the Trump, you best not miss.

Why are the Democrats committing constitutional suicide?

Daniel McCarthy

I wonder why they chose this route. If Bolton et al do get called to testify, doesnt that PROVE that the second charge was crazy?

All he did on thies was exert Executive Privilege. Like Obama and every president before him. This is not nefarious. Charging him with crimes not committed is just crazy. Was Trump "planning" to withhold funds for an investigation? Maybe. Did he actually do that? Nope. 
Did Trump Exert Executive privilege? Yes. The HOR way around that was to go to the courts because the charges were so serious!!!!!!! <er>

THEY THEN SAT ON THE IMPEACHMENT CHARGES FOR A MONTH, thereby proving there was no reason for secret hearings and Obstruction of Congress Charges. 

This bunch of dild%^s is going to screw all this up. Just watch.

[homersapien 11,370]

2 hours ago, Mikey said:

Fixed that for you. He's nothing but another democrat tool/liar.

On to this trial: Why should it be fair and impartial? The proceedings in the House were not. I say the Senate should work with the Administration to pile as much discredit and embarrassment on the Democrats as possible before announcing a finding of "Not Guilty on all Counts."

Speaking of fair, why are not any candidates for President barred from the proceedings? They clearly have a conflict of interest and would not be seated on a normal jury.

What a useful fool you are. 

Nunes aide communicated with Parnas about Ukraine campaign, messages show

By

Paul Sonne, 

Rosalind S. Helderman and 

Greg Miller 

Jan. 17, 2020 at 9:02 p.m. EST

House Democrats released new documents Friday evening showing extensive contact between an associate of President Trump’s personal attorney and an aide to the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee regarding the effort to obtain material from Ukrainian prosecutors that would be damaging to former vice president Joe Biden.

The text messages between Lev Parnas, who functioned as Rudolph W. Giuliani’s emissary to Ukrainian officials, and Derek Harvey, an aide to Rep. Devin Nunes, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, indicate Nunes’s office was aware of the operation at the heart of impeachment proceedings against the president — and sought to use the information Parnas was gathering.

The newly released texts show that Parnas was working last spring to set up calls for Harvey with the Ukrainian prosecutors who were feeding Giuliani information about Biden.

“Also do you want to interview the general prosecutor who got [ditched] by Biden ? Also the anti corruption prosecutor ? Let me know,” Parnas wrote on April 19.

“Does tomorrow work?” Harvey responded.

The messages also show that Harvey met with Parnas and Giuliani at the Trump hotel in Washington.

Harvey and a spokesman for Nunes did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The text messages corroborate Parnas’s previous claims that he arranged conversations with the Ukrainian prosecutors for the Nunes aide. And they deepen questions about how much Nunes knew about the pressure campaign — even as he served as one of Trump’s most vociferous defenders during the House impeachment hearings.

“I was in shock when I was watching the hearings and when I saw Devin Nunes sitting up there,” Parnas told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow this week. “I texted my attorney. I said, ‘I can’t believe this is happening.’ ”

‘He knows who I am’: Lev Parnas says Devin Nunes was ‘involved in getting all this stuff on Biden’

Records that the House Democrats released in December first showed calls between Parnas and Nunes. At the time, Nunes said he couldn’t remember speaking with Parnas.

On Thursday, Nunes told Fox News that he had reviewed his records, which refreshed his memory of having one conversation.

“I checked it with my records and it was very clear — I remember that call, which was very odd, random, talking about random things, and I said, ‘great,’ you know, ‘talk to my staff,’ and boom, boom, boom. That’s just normal operating procedure,” Nunes said.

However, the documents released Friday show extensive interactions between Parnas and Nunes’s aide beginning in early 2019.

In March, Parnas sent Harvey a link to a story by conservative columnist John Solomon suggesting the Ukrainians sought to help Hillary Clinton win in 2016.

“Any documents for us or are you going to keep working through Solomon?” the Nunes aide texted back a few days later.

Parnas responded that he was out of the country but would meet with Harvey upon his return.

In April, Harvey sent Parnas contact information for the congressman, the messages show. And Harvey set up several in-person meetings, including with key individuals around Giuliani who were most involved in the Biden effort.

“We are at trump with Rudy and John Solomon and joe in private room,” Parnas wrote the Nunes aide on May 7, apparently inviting him to the Trump International Hotel to meet with Giuliani, as well as Solomon and Joe DiGenova, a lawyer working with Giuliani.

“Can you come now,” Parnas continued.

“Yes,” Harvey responded.

The texts also indicate that Parnas passed a copy of one of the Ukrainian prosecutor’s résumés in English to Harvey. Parnas also seemed to have sent him a copy of the Ukrainian passport of the tycoon who owns the gas company that placed Biden’s son Hunter on its board. How the copy of the passport was obtained, and what Harvey was planning to do with it, if anything, is unclear.

Parnas, who is facing federal campaign charges and has recently broken with Giuliani and turned against the president, told MSNBC this week that Nunes and Harvey “were involved in getting all this stuff on Biden.”

“Derek Harvey had several interviews, Skype interviews I set up, with different prosecutors like [Nazar] Kholodnytsky, which is the anti-corruption prosecutor of Ukraine [and] Konstantyn Kulyk, one of the major guys that’s had this whole Biden stuff,” Parnas said.

Parnas suggested to MSNBC he was told to communicate with Harvey instead of Nunes directly because “Devin Nunes had an ethics, something to do with an ethics committee, and he couldn’t be in a spotlight.”

The materials released Friday also include screenshots that Robert F. Hyde, a former Marine and candidate for Congress in Connecticut, sent to Parnas discussing surveillance of then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch.

The screenshots appear to show Hyde having a text message exchange with an unknown person with a Belgian mobile number regarding Yovanovitch’s movements in Ukraine, as he updates Parnas about the situation. Whether the person with the Belgian number was actually monitoring Yovanovitch is unclear.

Hyde, in an interview Wednesday with Eric Bolling on the Sinclair Broadcasting show “America This Week,” denied ordering private surveillance on Yovanovitch and said his messages were sent to Parnas in jest and were selectively released.

“It was just colorful. We were playing. I thought we were playing,” Hyde said, adding it was “unfortunate the left had to get their panties in a bunch.”

Asked if he had “eyes on” Yovanovitch, Hyde said: “Are you kidding me?”

Parnas said on MSNBC he didn’t believe Hyde was actually carrying out surveillance on Yovanovitch.

“I don’t believe it’s true,” Parnas said. “I think he was either drunk or he was trying to make himself bigger than he was, so I didn’t take it seriously.”

The new materials also offered further indication of how Giuliani sent messages to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky through Parnas. In one message released late Friday, Giuliani appears to ask Parnas to tell Zelensky through the Ukrainian prosecutor general that he needs to break with a Ukrainian oligarch who is associated with him and take more of the tycoon’s assets for the state.

“Show him my tweets and tell him to tell President-elect to stop acting like a boy and become a man and take control,” Giuliani told Parnas. “Arrest this bum and take more of his money back.”

Parnas responded with three thumbs-up emoticons.

Ukrainian authorities announced this week the opening of an investigation into the possibility that the U.S. ambassador was under surveillance or being stalked by associates of Parnas and Giuliani. Yovanovitch was removed from her post last spring after Giuliani urged Trump to fire her and helped fuel a public pressure campaign against her in conservative media outlets.

According to text messages the House Democrats released, Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuri Lutsenko had demanded her ouster in exchange for helping with the Biden effort.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/nunes-aide-communicated-with-parnas-about-ukraine-campaign-messages-show/2020/01/17/398ea1f6-3984-11ea-a01d-b7cc8ec1a85d_story.html

[aubiefifty 16,777]

3 hours ago, Mikey said:

Fixed that for you. He's nothing but another democrat tool/liar.

On to this trial: Why should it be fair and impartial? The proceedings in the House were not. I say the Senate should work with the Administration to pile as much discredit and embarrassment on the Democrats as possible before announcing a finding of "Not Guilty on all Counts."

Speaking of fair, why are not any candidates for President barred from the proceedings? They clearly have a conflict of interest and would not be seated on a normal jury.

you mean rudy did not hire him like they say? how in the hell did he and his buddy know yano womans computer and cell phone were turned off? why did the white house start hiding information even after they used back channels bypassing state and other relevant agencies? if trump is not guilty of anything then why not let witnesses testify? the dude from the white house lied and then finally admitted trump did what he was accused of telling america to get over it? why did the GAO just come out after a thorough investigation and state plainly that trump broke the law? why you people continue to take up for trump baffles me. how many of his cabinet and election staff members end up behind bars? what is it now, twenty? you guys believe what you want about trump but i will never be stupid enough to give him a pass.or believe hardly anything that comes out of his lying mouth. and they have yet to release the unredacted mueller report as well. why is that? i am pretty sure most of congress has security clearances. our allies do not trust us anymore. plus some of you weirdo's that think trump was chosen by god are now tainting religion and hurting the churches that try to do it right. you boys believe what you want about that scum. i can tell you that if trump was a dem it would not change my opinion. i love america over any party and if trump is allowed to get away with this crap to me it signals the beginning of the end of this great country.

[AU64 10,122]

Had to laugh at the OP....the "pro crime" party?   GOP?  

 

So what happened to all those pro criminal Dems running the sanctuary cities and states,  or the  NYC mayor cutting criminals lose with no bail so they can go out and commit more crimes....and of course those cities that will not assist ICE in getting ride of criminal illegals.    There must be thousands of "pro-Crime" democrats holding public office in the blue states alone.  

[Mikey 16,582]

10 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

you mean rudy did not hire him like they say?

What I say is So What? The American President wanted a stalled investigation into corrupt activities by an American citizen to be resumed. That's not only his right to request it, it's his duty.

[AUDynasty 585]

I enjoy reading political opinions on this board because I try to keep an open mind to both sides of perspectives and discussion but I just can’t understand why Lev is considered a Democrat. There are pictures of Lev with Donald Trump, Mike Pence, Rudy Giuliani, Kevin McCarthy, and more. How does that make him a democrat?

I think a good litmus test is to consider a reversal of roles here. Would you be okay if Democrats are doing this? That Democrats have openly said the Senate trial is not going to be fair, even with Republicans voting for impeachment in the House? 
 

I’m just asking a honest question. 

[TexasTiger 12,848]

10 hours ago, AU64 said:

Had to laugh at the OP....the "pro crime" party?   GOP?  

 

So what happened to all those pro criminal Dems running the sanctuary cities and states,  or the  NYC mayor cutting criminals lose with no bail so they can go out and commit more crimes....and of course those cities that will not assist ICE in getting ride of criminal illegals.    There must be thousands of "pro-Crime" democrats holding public office in the blue states alone.  

You apparently didn’t read much of it. You pro-bribery?

[DKW 86 7,419]

Just going to ask this: If Devin Nunes, an American Citizen, wants to gather information on the Bidens, so what?
Since when is gathering info of corruption NOT a job for a HOR member?

The Bidens are going to face their day on corruption. I would rather it be today than in September or October. 

I often wonder if HRC and the DNC paying $12M for a bunch of nothing kompromat on DJT is fine and dandy. But if anyone tries to gather info on any Democrat not named Sanders, it is the work of Satan.

[AUFAN78 3,894]

1 hour ago, DKW 86 said:

Just going to ask this: If Devin Nunes, an American Citizen, wants to gather information on the Bidens, so what?
Since when is gathering info of corruption NOT a job for a HOR member?

The Bidens are going to face their day on corruption. I would rather it be today than in September or October. 

I often wonder if HRC and the DNC paying $12M for a bunch of nothing kompromat on DJT is fine and dandy. But if anyone tries to gather info on any Democrat not named Sanders, it is the work of Satan.

You are not debating scholars. Know that. 

[homersapien 11,370]

On 1/18/2020 at 3:32 PM, AU64 said:

Had to laugh at the OP....the "pro crime" party?   GOP?  

 

So what happened to all those pro criminal Dems running the sanctuary cities and states,  or the  NYC mayor cutting criminals lose with no bail so they can go out and commit more crimes....and of course those cities that will not assist ICE in getting ride of criminal illegals.    There must be thousands of "pro-Crime" democrats holding public office in the blue states alone.  

Taking a moral position doesn't always require obeying the law.  Being morally bereft, This is a distinction Republicans don't even bother to make.

[homersapien 11,370]

On 1/19/2020 at 5:37 PM, DKW 86 said:

Just going to ask this: If Devin Nunes, an American Citizen, wants to gather information on the Bidens, so what?
Since when is gathering info of corruption NOT a job for a HOR member?

When it involves extorting a foreign government by witholding crucial aid?

 

The Bidens are going to face their day on corruption. I would rather it be today than in September or October. 

I often wonder if HRC and the DNC paying $12M for a bunch of nothing kompromat on DJT is fine and dandy. But if anyone tries to gather info on any Democrat not named Sanders, it is the work of Satan.

"Fine and dandy" or not, it was and is perfectly legal to conduct opposition research. 

Just go ahead and admit you are a Trumper David.  There's really no difference between "being" one and talking like one.

 

[aubiefifty 16,777]

On 1/19/2020 at 12:04 AM, Mikey said:

What I say is So What? The American President wanted a stalled investigation into corrupt activities by an American citizen to be resumed. That's not only his right to request it, it's his duty.

dude crawl out from under that rock.they already investigated the bidens and found nothing. they admitted it looked bad but no laws were broken. comey has been investigate twice and found innocent.now they will investigate him for the third time  and how many freaking times are you people gonna investigate hillary? she has been investigated several times and found not guilty. now lets discuss your side. trump broke the law according to GAO. period. if he is so innocent why has he refused to let members of his staff testify under oath? why would you take the word of the biggest liar ever to emerge in politics? Mueller finished his report to turn over to congress but barr refuses to turn over the complete investigation because it is damaging to trump. so why the hell have an investigation anyway? how many of trumps staff members and associates are in jail so far? why did he just hire a cat  for the impeachment trial that was butt buddies with eppstein who also wrote and published a piece a few years back stating it is  basically ok to bang fourteen year old girls? trump is trash but you folks believe him to be a saint after watching his television show. and lets keep the talking points to trump and his associates and not throw obama or hillary out there. i will discuss them with you but start a new thread on them. deflections are getting old. the dude mulvaney testified under oath what trump did and all he can say now is "get over it". america is coming apart at the seams because people are more interested in taking up for the republican view. add in mitch and company trampled the constitution by claiming they are  working closely with the white house when by law they are supposed to be impartial. the bottom line is you and many of your buddies have been hoodwinked.

[TexasTiger 12,848]

On 1/19/2020 at 12:04 AM, Mikey said:

What I say is So What? The American President wanted a stalled investigation into corrupt activities by an American citizen to be resumed. That's not only his right to request it, it's his duty.

Did he request it through the DOJ? Department of State? Private lawyer in the pocket of a corrupt oligarch? Do you even know?

[DKW 86 7,419]

7 hours ago, homersapien said:

"Fine and dandy" or not, it was and is perfectly legal to conduct opposition research. 

Just go ahead and admit you are a Trumper David.  There's really no difference between "being" one and talking like one.

It is perfectly legal FOR ANYONE to conduct opposition research. Not just HRC and the DNC.

Although by now, their research seems to be more fantasy than fact. 

[DKW 86 7,419]

5 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

dude crawl out from under that rock.they already investigated the bidens and found nothing. they admitted it looked bad but no laws were broken. comey has been investigate twice and found innocent.now they will investigate him for the third time  and how many freaking times are you people gonna investigate hillary? she has been investigated several times and found not guilty. now lets discuss your side. trump broke the law according to GAO. period. if he is so innocent why has he refused to let members of his staff testify under oath? why would you take the word of the biggest liar ever to emerge in politics? Mueller finished his report to turn over to congress but barr refuses to turn over the complete investigation because it is damaging to trump. so why the hell have an investigation anyway? how many of trumps staff members and associates are in jail so far? why did he just hire a cat  for the impeachment trial that was butt buddies with eppstein who also wrote and published a piece a few years back stating it is  basically ok to bang fourteen year old girls? trump is trash but you folks believe him to be a saint after watching his television show. and lets keep the talking points to trump and his associates and not throw obama or hillary out there. i will discuss them with you but start a new thread on them. deflections are getting old. the dude mulvaney testified under oath what trump did and all he can say now is "get over it". america is coming apart at the seams because people are more interested in taking up for the republican view. add in mitch and company trampled the constitution by claiming they are  working closely with the white house when by law they are supposed to be impartial. the bottom line is you and many of your buddies have been hoodwinked.

LINK DEMANDED. Who was the special counsel? Who in the FBI did the research? How many witnesses were deposed? 

We have been bored for three years on DJT, we need at least a year on the Bidens

[Mikey 16,582]

11 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Did he request it through the DOJ? Department of State? Private lawyer in the pocket of a corrupt oligarch? Do you even know?

Apparently he went directly to the foreign Head of State, man to man. It probably went something like this: President Trump: "Hey Dude, there's this American citizen that was handed a cushy job in your country, a job he is not qualified to fill. We think corruption is involved. This guy, Hunter somebody, was under investigation until his daddy threatened to hold funds back unless the investigation was called off. Things have changed now. If you'd like your money on time, resume the investigation and nail this crooked little twerp."

I have no problem with it and no loyal American should have a problem. Stuff like that is kinda' the President's job.

[DKW 86 7,419]

1 minute ago, Mikey said:

I have no problem with it and no loyal American should have a problem. Stuff like that is kinda' the President's job.

Not if the dirt is being dug up on a DNC Member or family member. Apparently only Satan himself dare question a DNC Elitist. 

[TexasTiger 12,848]

10 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Apparently he went directly to the foreign Head of State, man to man. It probably went something like this: President Trump: "Hey Dude, there's this American citizen that was handed a cushy job in your country, a job he is not qualified to fill. We think corruption is involved. This guy, Hunter somebody, was under investigation until his daddy threatened to hold funds back unless the investigation was called off. Things have changed now. If you'd like your money on time, resume the investigation and nail this crooked little twerp."

I have no problem with it and no loyal American should have a problem. Stuff like that is kinda' the President's job.

So he goes to the head of a state he says is too corrupt to be trusted and trusts him to investigate corruption? He doesn’t trust Barr? Rudy’s taking millions from a corrupt oligarch to do his bidding in Ukraine so Trump goes to Rudy, Lev and Igor to root out corruption? You believe this? Truly? I know @DKW 86 seems to.

[Mikey 16,582]

8 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

So he goes to the head of a state he says is too corrupt to be trusted and trusts him to investigate corruption? He doesn’t trust Barr? Rudy’s taking millions from a corrupt oligarch to do his bidding in Ukraine so Trump goes to Rudy, Lev and Igor to root out corruption? You believe this? Truly? I know @DKW 86 seems to.

What I believe is this whole issue doesn't amount to a fart in a whirlwind. This is almost as bad as the Dems trying to charge President Trump for considering taking actions he eventually decided not to take. It's just plain silly.

[DKW 86 7,419]

15 hours ago, Mikey said:

What I believe is this whole issue doesn't amount to a fart in a whirlwind. This is almost as bad as the Dems trying to charge President Trump for considering taking actions he eventually decided not to take. It's just plain silly.

Quit making sense. Orangeman Bad. Even when he doesnt actually do anything.

I am convinced that the hate for DJT WINNING IN 2016 far outweighs his dozens of failings to some. Look, just because YOU HATE SOMEONE doesnt mean you get to to lynch that person. Beat them where its legal and most effective, at the ballot box. So far, we have had 3+ years of crap that have gone just short of nowhere. I want him gone LEGALLY AND FOREVER. Having a three plus year whine and bitch session has done and accomplished just about zero. 

[aubiefifty 16,777]

On 1/19/2020 at 12:04 AM, Mikey said:

What I say is So What? The American President wanted a stalled investigation into corrupt activities by an American citizen to be resumed. That's not only his right to request it, it's his duty.

stalled? give me a link on that. they investigated biden already and republicans did not like the outcome. it is the same thing with hillary. how many times have her and bill been investigated? tell me mickey. how many? how many times has she been found guilty? and you and other cats on here just kill me. you admit that trump lies every single day and yet now when his behind is on fire you believe him? lol and as far as emails go bush and cheney deleted thousands of emails but that is ok because it is your party right? no matter they lied us into war getting our kids killed, theirs killed along with tons of civilians, and destroyed a country as well. you seem to be ok with that but you cannot pick and choose justice.  trump broke the law. he is corrupt and now he has corrupted the majority of the republicans. the repukes win and america loses. if trump gets away with it it sends a dangerous precedent for future politicians. you guys wanted to ruin a guy over a blowjob but when a cat blackmails a country by withholding aid in a time of war because it is ok.

[aubiefifty 16,777]

3 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Quit making sense. Orangeman Bad. Even when he doesnt actually do anything.

I am convinced that the hate for DJT WINNING IN 2016 far outweighs his downens of failings to some. Look, just because YOU HATE SOMEONE doesnt mean you get to to lynch that person. Beat them where its legal and most effective, at the ballot box. So far, we have had 3+ years of crap that have gone just short of nowhere. I want him gone LEGALLY AND FOREVER. Having a three plus year whine and bitch session has done and accomplished just about zero. 

you show your true colors . how many times will they keep bitching and or investigating clinton and comey? you do not seem to be holding everyone to the same standard.