Zell Miller

[aucorner 0]

says Bush is a leader and understands how hard it is to attain and maintain freedom and the democratic party has bowed so far down to special interest groups that he does not like the direction of the party at all. Catch the balance of the interview on Hannity and Colmes tonite.

Just like my proposal from before..........everything has shifted left, today's republicans are 'classic' liberals and today's democrats are absolute radicals.

[CarolinaTiger 0]

i saw part of the interview w/ hannity...

he's a very interesting and colorful guy...surely hated by many democrats for not towing the party-line.

didn't he announce he's not running for re-election recently?

ct

[channonc 466]

Yep, he announced earlier this year. Hence, why he feels he can stir up controversy now. Hey, why make a silent exit.

http://www.senate.gov/~miller/press/2003/0...reelection.html

[aucorner 0]

Yep, he announced earlier this year. Hence, why he feels he can still up controversy now. Hey, why make a silent exit.

http://www.senate.gov/~miller/press/2003/0...reelection.html

I think it is more along the lines of a democratic party elder trying to right the ship and bring the party back in line. If he were trying to really stir things up he would have changed his party allegiances.

[CCTAU 3,342]

Yeah, when the repubs have one jump ship, he is "seeing the light". When the demons have one jump, he is just stirring up trouble.

[aucorner 0]

says Bush is a leader and understands how hard it is to attain and maintain freedom and the democratic party has bowed so far down to special interest groups that he does not like the direction of the party at all. Catch the balance of the interview on Hannity and Colmes tonite.

Just like my proposal from before..........everything has shifted left, today's republicans are 'classic' liberals and today's democrats are absolute radicals.

he also stated that Clinton was so far left that he and other democrats had basically thumbed their nose at 1/3 of the nation's population[the South] and that it would take someone other than Clintonites to regain Southern support for the democratic party.

He has also written a book called, 'A National Party No More: The Conscience of a Conservative Democrat', stating that special interest groups have alienated alot of the country away from the democratic party.

Miller states in his book, 'Once upon a time, the most successful Democratic leader of them all, FDR, looked south and said, 'I see one-third of a nation ill-housed, ill clad, ill nourished.' Today our national Democratic leaders look south and say, 'I see one-third of a nation and it can go to hell.'

Could not have been said any better, IMO.

More Info

[Donutboy 0]

Gee, you think he might just be trying to sell a few of his books? He knows it's not going to be a best-seller if he has to count on Democrats to buy it, so why not stroke the Republicans. He's been nothing more than a closet Republican since being elected anyway. I have MUCH more respect for a Republican or Democrat voting his conscience than I do a politician who feels he has to vote a certain way to appease his opponents.

[CarolinaTiger 0]

...I have MUCH more respect for a Republican or Democrat voting his conscience than I do a politician who feels he has to vote a certain way to appease his opponents.

this statement doesn't make any sense.

[Weagle98 119]

Democrats used to be the party of the south. Both my parents (very conservitive) were registered democrats in Alabama. The Democratic party used to cater to the south and their concerns. However is recent history the domocratic party has alienated many of the views of the southern states. He has been a democratic political official since 1959. He feels that he has not left the party but the party has left him.

[aucorner 0]

Democrats used to be the party of the south. Both my parents (very conservitive) were registered democrats in Alabama. The Democratic party used to cater to the south and their concerns. However is recent history the domocratic party has alienated many of the views of the southern states. He has been a democratic political official since 1959. He feels that he has not left the party but the party has left him.

democrats have alienated the south...........if Al Gore had won his home state he would be President

[PenguinAUB 0]

zell miller is my favorite democrat ever. i met him when he was georgia govenor whaen i was in 5th grade

[Tiger Al 0]

Democrats used to be the party of the south.  Both my parents (very conservitive) were registered democrats in Alabama.  The Democratic party used to cater to the south and their concerns.  However is recent history the domocratic party has alienated many of the views of the southern states.  He has been a democratic political official since 1959.  He feels that he has not left the party but the party has left him.

I'm not sure what you consider recent history, but, the Democratic party last underwent a major change starting in 1948 when Harry Truman and the DNC began to break down racial barriers with the integration of the military and ending with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Segregationist Southern Democrats formed the Dixiecrats and fought every civil rights legislation voted on in that era. When the CRA of 1964 passed, many Southern Democrats switched parties and became Republicans. The ones that didn't switch were, by and large, Republicans in Democrats clothing.

I don't think the Democratic Party has alienated the South's views so much as it is the South's hesitancy to accept change. As LBJ said when he signed the CRA, "We must not approach the observance and enforcement of this law in a vengeful spirit." Unfortunately, the issue of race has always been approached in that way in the South.

[CShine 0]

Quite frankly, I'm surprised that I have to point out a completely obivious fact in a thread that's gone on so long.

Zell Miller is a Democrat in name only. He is a conservative through and through. Democrats hate him for switching sides so often.

Republicans have exactly the same beef with Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania because he switches sides so often. Specter is officially a Republican, but every time he votes, he votes with the Democrats. The same thing is true of Zell Miller. He is officially a Democrat, but every time he votes, he votes with the Republicans.

This is not news. It's been happening for years. Zell Miller has been in the Senate for 18 years, and this has always been the case. For ANYONE to suggest that he's a representative of the Democratic party is pure stupidity. The Democrats no more claim him than the Republicans claim Arlen Specter.

This thread is just one more example of uninformed, message board stupidity.

[Tiger Al 0]

Quite frankly, I'm surprised that I have to point out a completely obivious fact in a thread that's gone on so long.

Zell Miller is a Democrat in name only. He is a conservative through and through. Democrats hate him for switching sides so often.

Republicans have exactly the same beef with Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania because he switches sides so often. Spector is officially a Republican, but every time he votes, he votes with the Democrats. The same thing is true of Zell Miller. He is officially a Democrat, but every time he votes, he votes with the Republicans.

This is not news. It's been happening for years. Zell Miller has been in the Senate for 18 years, and this has always been the case. For ANYONE to suggest that he's a representative of the Democratic party is pure stupidity. The Democrats no more claim him than the Republicans claim Arlen Specter.

This thread is just one more example of uninformed, message board stupidity.

Sure you weren't thinking of Jeffords who became an Independent? Specter always votes with the Repugs.

[CShine 0]

Quite frankly, I'm surprised that I have to point out a completely obivious fact in a thread that's gone on so long.

Zell Miller is a Democrat in name only. He is a conservative through and through. Democrats hate him for switching sides so often.

Republicans have exactly the same beef with Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania because he switches sides so often. Spector is officially a Republican, but every time he votes,  he votes with the Democrats. The same thing is true of Zell Miller. He is officially a Democrat, but every time he votes, he votes with the Republicans.

This is not news. It's been happening for years. Zell Miller has been in the Senate for 18 years, and this has always been the case. For ANYONE to suggest that he's a representative of the Democratic party is pure stupidity. The Democrats no more claim him than the Republicans claim Arlen Specter.

This thread is just one more example of uninformed, message board stupidity.

Sure you weren't thinking of Jeffords who became an Independent? Specter always votes with the Repugs.

Al,

You really need to look at Specter's voting record. Sure, Jeffords is despised by the Pubs. But if you think Specter votes with the right all the time, you are seriously kidding yourself.

Every major party has one or two guys who switches sides on a regular basis. Zell Miller switches from left to right. Arlen Specter switches from right to left.

This is not news. It happens all the time. Look it up anywhere.

[Tiger Al 0]

I gotta disagree with you, CShine. Check out the Senate Roll Call Votes.

Specter's votes are 99% partisan. Especially look at the motion's to invoke cloture on Miguel Estrada and William Pryor. He votes 'Yea' everytime to break the fillibuster. They are ultra-conservative. I saw the confirmation hearing of Judge Janice Brown and he was kissing butt and tossing her softballs for questions. The ONLY time I've ever seen easier questioning was from Strom Thurmond at Asscroft's hearing.

[CarolinaTiger 0]

...The Democrats no more claim him than the Republicans claim Arlen Specter.

This thread is just one more example of uninformed, message board stupidity.

...pure stupidity...LOL we are grateful that you decide to grace our board with your vast knowledge and immiment wisdom, CShine.

wasn't it arlen that went after anita hill so vociferously and got some negative press by the lefties for it?

i believe arlen is somewhat pro-choice , and that may be what CShine is thinking of.

from Specter's Website

:

I have voted for all of the President's tax cuts and supported all of his Judicial nominees. In fact, Congressional records show that last year I supported President Bush at a higher rate than my opponent.

and

My campaign will also stress my long-time support for the line item veto, the Balanced Budget Amendment, the death penalty, a strong national defense including missile defense, abstinence-education programs, welfare reform and opposing religious persecution.

that leftie....

ct

[Tiger Al 0]

that leftie....

ct

Well, compared to his state counterpart, Rick Santorum, he appears very liberal. Hitler and Mussolini would've also, though.

[aucorner 0]

This thread is just one more example of uninformed, message board stupidity.

:roll:

That would include the radical left wing propaganda you spew................

[TitanTiger 20,510]

that leftie....

ct

Well, compared to his state counterpart, Rick Santorum, he appears very liberal. Hitler and Mussolini would've also, though.

Funny thing is, Hitler was a socialist.

[aucorner 0]

This is not news. It's been happening for years. Zell Miller has been in the Senate for 18 years, and this has always been the case.

He was governor of Georgia and not in the Senate. He also started the HOPE scholarship in Georgia which is entitlement theory at its finest. But you say he is a republican at heart

He is a 'classic' liberal not a left-wing radical.

[Tiger Al 0]

He also started the HOPE scholarship in Georgia which is entitlement theory at its finest. But you say he is a republican at heart

He is a 'classic' liberal not a left-wing radical.

Why do you call the HOPE program an 'entitlement?' And, I think you'll have to admit, since he's been a Senator, his ideology seems to have drifted towards the right. At least, that's where his votes are cast.

[Tigermike 3,053]

Why do you call the HOPE program an 'entitlement?'

Probably because every kid in Georgia can use it, that in it's self is not wrong, but they are not selling enough lottery tickets to fund the program, and now are having to take funds from the general budget to pay for the "entitlement".

[channonc 466]

Why do you call the HOPE program an 'entitlement?'

Probably because every kid in Georgia can use it, that in it's self is not wrong, but they are not selling enough lottery tickets to fund the program, and now are having to take funds from the general budget to pay for the "entitlement".

How is it wrong to provide students with good grades (who might not receive another academic scholarship) wrong? I understand the lottery doesn't have the funds it used to, but I think it is a great way to help provide education incentives without "raising taxes." I agree money doesn't solve everything, but I think in this case it certainly helps.

Let me ask you this... if you received a scholarship like this, you would turn it down because you consider it an entitlement???? I think not.

[Tiger Al 0]

I still don't understand. Is it an 'entitlement' because it's available to every kid or because it gets funded from different sources?

And, whether it's an 'entitlement' or not, why is it wrong?