Rhett leaves AU / New OC discussion (Merged)

[aujeff11 6,243]

It's only January

[AUld fAUx@ 2,584]

1 hour ago, keesler said:

Y'all have a fun evening.  I've got a fresh bottle of Maker's Mark at the house and the wax seal needs a crackin.

skoal

[ClaytonAU 4,606]

12 minutes ago, Eagle Eye 7 said:

Yep he saying "why do you think I fired this clown ten years ago " 

I'm sure that's exactly what he's saying

[tigeraddikt 1,610]

So let's play "what really happened": Gus wanted a Briles, JJ said no way, now it's a kluster. Smooth.

[imaolgatiger 523]

I hope Gus keeps everything a secret until spring practice. I enjoy seeing the meltdown, name calling, etc.. This is better than signing day!  

[caleb1633 1,418]

1 hour ago, AUsince72 said:

Post of the year! 

Well, mine got dethroned really quick lol

[auburn4ever 1,266]

For most everyone, it has been a very busy month, thanks to the holidays. After Auburn’s indescribable offensive meltdown on the heels of yet another Sean White injury in Auburn’s first Sugar Bowl appearance since 2005, many Auburn fans mentally checked out from college football. 

It is understandable. Auburn’s last two seasons have been far from satisfactory. And the last three games of this season undid all of the good will that a six-game winning streak bought for head coach Gus Malzahn. 

Perhaps that is why this morning’s news that Rhett Lashlee was leaving Auburn and heading to UConn was not a total surprise. Lashlee was the Broyles Award winner for the top assistant in the country after the 2013 resurgence of Auburn’s football program, and he was one of the hottest names for coaching vacancies. Yet, he didn’t leave Auburn and was heavily rewarded. 

It has been a three wild years for the coordinator, and it would take three articles to catalog properly the rollercoaster ride experienced by the Auburn offense under Lashlee. Or was it the offense under Malzahn? Or was it Malzahn to Lashlee and then back to Malzahn? Or perhaps Lashlee to Malzahn back to Lashlee? 

And that is exactly the issue. And, at the same time, it isn’t. Confused yet? Welcome to being an …

… Auburn fan the last two years.

There are some systemic problems beyond the name listed as offensive coordinator. Regardless of who has called plays, player development in key positions has been beyond bad. People have been quick to give Malzahn a long leash because of his successes in 2009, 2010, 2013 and 2014. Still, it is baffling that the underlying truth about these successes eludes sports writers and fans alike: transfer quarterbacks have been successful, others have not. 

At Auburn, Malzahn’s record with transfer quarterbacks is 42–12. His record with quarterbacks that he developed and coached for more than a single year is 31–21. With Lashlee in tow, the record with internally developed QBs is 15–11.

Jeremy Johnson’s struggles as a starter are well known. Sean White showed promise as a starter but was sidelined  time and time again with injuries. While injuries can’t be blamed on a coaching staff, the development and depth behind the starter can be. Auburn was a shell of an offense without White, and White isn’t THAT good of a quarterback. The results with John Franklin, III playing validated what most could see at Auburn’s A-Day: without serious development, JF3 would never be a viable option. 

Track ‘Em Tigers has fantastic readers, and they often weigh in with excellent insights. One particular reader/commenter has used the term “incestuous” in regards to the relationship between Malzahn and Lashlee. For those that don’t know, Lashlee played for Malzahn in high school and was on his staff at several stops. Much the same can be said for other coaches such, for example, as Kodi Burns.

While Burns should not be judged by his lone year’s work on Malzahn’s staff, it is interesting that Auburn would hire a position coach with less than five years of experience as either a player or coach at that position. In truth, it was likely his relationship with Malzahn that landed him the job. 

Now Auburn will conduct a search for its next offensive coordinator. There are a few names making the rounds on social media, two in particular. Obviously Art Briles has been a lightning rod for criticism, but Arizona State’s Chip Lindsey should also be a red flag. Why? Because Lindsey worked for Malzahn at Auburn as offensive analyst and is another coach from the Malzahn tree. Although his pedigree shows a coach that has been successful, his stops (Southern Miss and Arizona State) aren’t in the SEC.

Could a coach from the Malzahn tree be the answer for a struggling offense that has talent but lacks polish or inspired play calling? Absolutely. 

Could a coach from the Malzahn tree be a potential “yes man” who was hired because of a relationship rather than true coaching pedigree? Absolutely.

Either way, Lindsey represents great risk for a struggling Auburn program firmly in the shadow of its greatest rival. Is this what the program needs now? More risk? Perhaps Malzahn should look beyond the shadow of his tree for what might be the most important hire of his career.

[aujeff11 6,243]

21 minutes ago, AUinTLoosa said:

skoal

Copenhagen 

[aujeff11 6,243]

1 minute ago, auburn4ever said:

For most everyone, it has been a very busy month, thanks to the holidays. After Auburn’s indescribable offensive meltdown on the heels of yet another Sean White injury in Auburn’s first Sugar Bowl appearance since 2005, many Auburn fans mentally checked out from college football. 

It is understandable. Auburn’s last two seasons have been far from satisfactory. And the last three games of this season undid all of the good will that a six-game winning streak bought for head coach Gus Malzahn. 

Perhaps that is why this morning’s news that Rhett Lashlee was leaving Auburn and heading to UConn was not a total surprise. Lashlee was the Broyles Award winner for the top assistant in the country after the 2013 resurgence of Auburn’s football program, and he was one of the hottest names for coaching vacancies. Yet, he didn’t leave Auburn and was heavily rewarded. 

It has been a three wild years for the coordinator, and it would take three articles to catalog properly the rollercoaster ride experienced by the Auburn offense under Lashlee. Or was it the offense under Malzahn? Or was it Malzahn to Lashlee and then back to Malzahn? Or perhaps Lashlee to Malzahn back to Lashlee? 

And that is exactly the issue. And, at the same time, it isn’t. Confused yet? Welcome to being an …

… Auburn fan the last two years.

There are some systemic problems beyond the name listed as offensive coordinator. Regardless of who has called plays, player development in key positions has been beyond bad. People have been quick to give Malzahn a long leash because of his successes in 2009, 2010, 2013 and 2014. Still, it is baffling that the underlying truth about these successes eludes sports writers and fans alike: transfer quarterbacks have been successful, others have not. 

At Auburn, Malzahn’s record with transfer quarterbacks is 42–12. His record with quarterbacks that he developed and coached for more than a single year is 31–21. With Lashlee in tow, the record with internally developed QBs is 15–11.

Jeremy Johnson’s struggles as a starter are well known. Sean White showed promise as a starter but was sidelined  time and time again with injuries. While injuries can’t be blamed on a coaching staff, the development and depth behind the starter can be. Auburn was a shell of an offense without White, and White isn’t THAT good of a quarterback. The results with John Franklin, III playing validated what most could see at Auburn’s A-Day: without serious development, JF3 would never be a viable option. 

Track ‘Em Tigers has fantastic readers, and they often weigh in with excellent insights. One particular reader/commenter has used the term “incestuous” in regards to the relationship between Malzahn and Lashlee. For those that don’t know, Lashlee played for Malzahn in high school and was on his staff at several stops. Much the same can be said for other coaches such, for example, as Kodi Burns.

While Burns should not be judged by his lone year’s work on Malzahn’s staff, it is interesting that Auburn would hire a position coach with less than five years of experience as either a player or coach at that position. In truth, it was likely his relationship with Malzahn that landed him the job. 

Now Auburn will conduct a search for its next offensive coordinator. There are a few names making the rounds on social media, two in particular. Obviously Art Briles has been a lightning rod for criticism, but Arizona State’s Chip Lindsey should also be a red flag. Why? Because Lindsey worked for Malzahn at Auburn as offensive analyst and is another coach from the Malzahn tree. Although his pedigree shows a coach that has been successful, his stops (Southern Miss and Arizona State) aren’t in the SEC.

Could a coach from the Malzahn tree be the answer for a struggling offense that has talent but lacks polish or inspired play calling? Absolutely. 

Could a coach from the Malzahn tree be a potential “yes man” who was hired because of a relationship rather than true coaching pedigree? Absolutely.

Either way, Lindsey represents great risk for a struggling Auburn program firmly in the shadow of its greatest rival. Is this what the program needs now? More risk? Perhaps Malzahn should look beyond the shadow of his tree for what might be the most important hire of his career.

You did not write this but well done ✅ 

[caleb1633 1,418]

4 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

You did not write this but well done ✅ 

Obviously, since most of a4e's posts involve sputtering off asinine or obvious sentence fragments and setting things on fire.

[roe4christ 940]

I still think Gilbert is the guy and that it happens in the next 24 hours.  Nothing to confirm that, just my gut feeling.

[aufan57 922]

11 minutes ago, auburn4ever said:

For most everyone, it has been a very busy month, thanks to the holidays. After Auburn’s indescribable offensive meltdown on the heels of yet another Sean White injury in Auburn’s first Sugar Bowl appearance since 2005, many Auburn fans mentally checked out from college football. 

It is understandable. Auburn’s last two seasons have been far from satisfactory. And the last three games of this season undid all of the good will that a six-game winning streak bought for head coach Gus Malzahn. 

Perhaps that is why this morning’s news that Rhett Lashlee was leaving Auburn and heading to UConn was not a total surprise. Lashlee was the Broyles Award winner for the top assistant in the country after the 2013 resurgence of Auburn’s football program, and he was one of the hottest names for coaching vacancies. Yet, he didn’t leave Auburn and was heavily rewarded. 

It has been a three wild years for the coordinator, and it would take three articles to catalog properly the rollercoaster ride experienced by the Auburn offense under Lashlee. Or was it the offense under Malzahn? Or was it Malzahn to Lashlee and then back to Malzahn? Or perhaps Lashlee to Malzahn back to Lashlee? 

And that is exactly the issue. And, at the same time, it isn’t. Confused yet? Welcome to being an …

… Auburn fan the last two years.

There are some systemic problems beyond the name listed as offensive coordinator. Regardless of who has called plays, player development in key positions has been beyond bad. People have been quick to give Malzahn a long leash because of his successes in 2009, 2010, 2013 and 2014. Still, it is baffling that the underlying truth about these successes eludes sports writers and fans alike: transfer quarterbacks have been successful, others have not. 

At Auburn, Malzahn’s record with transfer quarterbacks is 42–12. His record with quarterbacks that he developed and coached for more than a single year is 31–21. With Lashlee in tow, the record with internally developed QBs is 15–11.

Jeremy Johnson’s struggles as a starter are well known. Sean White showed promise as a starter but was sidelined  time and time again with injuries. While injuries can’t be blamed on a coaching staff, the development and depth behind the starter can be. Auburn was a shell of an offense without White, and White isn’t THAT good of a quarterback. The results with John Franklin, III playing validated what most could see at Auburn’s A-Day: without serious development, JF3 would never be a viable option. 

Track ‘Em Tigers has fantastic readers, and they often weigh in with excellent insights. One particular reader/commenter has used the term “incestuous” in regards to the relationship between Malzahn and Lashlee. For those that don’t know, Lashlee played for Malzahn in high school and was on his staff at several stops. Much the same can be said for other coaches such, for example, as Kodi Burns.

While Burns should not be judged by his lone year’s work on Malzahn’s staff, it is interesting that Auburn would hire a position coach with less than five years of experience as either a player or coach at that position. In truth, it was likely his relationship with Malzahn that landed him the job. 

Now Auburn will conduct a search for its next offensive coordinator. There are a few names making the rounds on social media, two in particular. Obviously Art Briles has been a lightning rod for criticism, but Arizona State’s Chip Lindsey should also be a red flag. Why? Because Lindsey worked for Malzahn at Auburn as offensive analyst and is another coach from the Malzahn tree. Although his pedigree shows a coach that has been successful, his stops (Southern Miss and Arizona State) aren’t in the SEC.

Could a coach from the Malzahn tree be the answer for a struggling offense that has talent but lacks polish or inspired play calling? Absolutely. 

Could a coach from the Malzahn tree be a potential “yes man” who was hired because of a relationship rather than true coaching pedigree? Absolutely.

Either way, Lindsey represents great risk for a struggling Auburn program firmly in the shadow of its greatest rival. Is this what the program needs now? More risk? Perhaps Malzahn should look beyond the shadow of his tree for what might be the most important hire of his career.

You need to cite the source for this. 

[jknighton 310]

11 minutes ago, auburn4ever said:

For most everyone, it has been a very busy month, thanks to the holidays. After Auburn’s indescribable offensive meltdown on the heels of yet another Sean White injury in Auburn’s first Sugar Bowl appearance since 2005, many Auburn fans mentally checked out from college football. 

It is understandable. Auburn’s last two seasons have been far from satisfactory. And the last three games of this season undid all of the good will that a six-game winning streak bought for head coach Gus Malzahn. 

Perhaps that is why this morning’s news that Rhett Lashlee was leaving Auburn and heading to UConn was not a total surprise. Lashlee was the Broyles Award winner for the top assistant in the country after the 2013 resurgence of Auburn’s football program, and he was one of the hottest names for coaching vacancies. Yet, he didn’t leave Auburn and was heavily rewarded. 

It has been a three wild years for the coordinator, and it would take three articles to catalog properly the rollercoaster ride experienced by the Auburn offense under Lashlee. Or was it the offense under Malzahn? Or was it Malzahn to Lashlee and then back to Malzahn? Or perhaps Lashlee to Malzahn back to Lashlee? 

And that is exactly the issue. And, at the same time, it isn’t. Confused yet? Welcome to being an …

… Auburn fan the last two years.

There are some systemic problems beyond the name listed as offensive coordinator. Regardless of who has called plays, player development in key positions has been beyond bad. People have been quick to give Malzahn a long leash because of his successes in 2009, 2010, 2013 and 2014. Still, it is baffling that the underlying truth about these successes eludes sports writers and fans alike: transfer quarterbacks have been successful, others have not. 

At Auburn, Malzahn’s record with transfer quarterbacks is 42–12. His record with quarterbacks that he developed and coached for more than a single year is 31–21. With Lashlee in tow, the record with internally developed QBs is 15–11.

Jeremy Johnson’s struggles as a starter are well known. Sean White showed promise as a starter but was sidelined  time and time again with injuries. While injuries can’t be blamed on a coaching staff, the development and depth behind the starter can be. Auburn was a shell of an offense without White, and White isn’t THAT good of a quarterback. The results with John Franklin, III playing validated what most could see at Auburn’s A-Day: without serious development, JF3 would never be a viable option. 

Track ‘Em Tigers has fantastic readers, and they often weigh in with excellent insights. One particular reader/commenter has used the term “incestuous” in regards to the relationship between Malzahn and Lashlee. For those that don’t know, Lashlee played for Malzahn in high school and was on his staff at several stops. Much the same can be said for other coaches such, for example, as Kodi Burns.

While Burns should not be judged by his lone year’s work on Malzahn’s staff, it is interesting that Auburn would hire a position coach with less than five years of experience as either a player or coach at that position. In truth, it was likely his relationship with Malzahn that landed him the job. 

Now Auburn will conduct a search for its next offensive coordinator. There are a few names making the rounds on social media, two in particular. Obviously Art Briles has been a lightning rod for criticism, but Arizona State’s Chip Lindsey should also be a red flag. Why? Because Lindsey worked for Malzahn at Auburn as offensive analyst and is another coach from the Malzahn tree. Although his pedigree shows a coach that has been successful, his stops (Southern Miss and Arizona State) aren’t in the SEC.

Could a coach from the Malzahn tree be the answer for a struggling offense that has talent but lacks polish or inspired play calling? Absolutely. 

Could a coach from the Malzahn tree be a potential “yes man” who was hired because of a relationship rather than true coaching pedigree? Absolutely.

Either way, Lindsey represents great risk for a struggling Auburn program firmly in the shadow of its greatest rival. Is this what the program needs now? More risk? Perhaps Malzahn should look beyond the shadow of his tree for what might be the most important hire of his career.

OMG, OMG, OMG... I think I took too much acid this time.

[caleb1633 1,418]

If you're thinking of offing yourself and just need a little nudge off the ledge, start at page 1 and re-read this entire thread. 

[T1GEREYES 10]

I figured it all out. Gus will bring 3 to 5 OCs to our first game and try them all out before making a final decision. 

[FoundationEagle 637]

So...odds now we hire a qb coach and promote Hand to OC? 

[JGLEATON 1,244]

11 minutes ago, T1GEREYES said:

I figured it all out. Gus will bring 3 to 5 OCs to our first game and try them all out before making a final decision. 

but it will still take at least 3 games before he decides on one of them...

[SaturdayGT 719]

Its Obama! Announcement after noon tomorrow!

[AUBwins 10,075]

11 minutes ago, T1GEREYES said:

I figured it all out. Gus will bring 3 to 5 OCs to our first game and try them all out before making a final decision. 

Clever 

[caleb1633 1,418]

3 minutes ago, FoundationEagle said:

So...odds now we hire a qb coach and promote Hand to OC? 

Gus will look like the biggest idiot if this happens. It'll be the Cox twirlybird of hires.

[DAG 33,983]

41 minutes ago, auburn4ever said:

For most everyone, it has been a very busy month, thanks to the holidays. After Auburn’s indescribable offensive meltdown on the heels of yet another Sean White injury in Auburn’s first Sugar Bowl appearance since 2005, many Auburn fans mentally checked out from college football. 

It is understandable. Auburn’s last two seasons have been far from satisfactory. And the last three games of this season undid all of the good will that a six-game winning streak bought for head coach Gus Malzahn. 

Perhaps that is why this morning’s news that Rhett Lashlee was leaving Auburn and heading to UConn was not a total surprise. Lashlee was the Broyles Award winner for the top assistant in the country after the 2013 resurgence of Auburn’s football program, and he was one of the hottest names for coaching vacancies. Yet, he didn’t leave Auburn and was heavily rewarded. 

It has been a three wild years for the coordinator, and it would take three articles to catalog properly the rollercoaster ride experienced by the Auburn offense under Lashlee. Or was it the offense under Malzahn? Or was it Malzahn to Lashlee and then back to Malzahn? Or perhaps Lashlee to Malzahn back to Lashlee? 

And that is exactly the issue. And, at the same time, it isn’t. Confused yet? Welcome to being an …

… Auburn fan the last two years.

There are some systemic problems beyond the name listed as offensive coordinator. Regardless of who has called plays, player development in key positions has been beyond bad. People have been quick to give Malzahn a long leash because of his successes in 2009, 2010, 2013 and 2014. Still, it is baffling that the underlying truth about these successes eludes sports writers and fans alike: transfer quarterbacks have been successful, others have not. 

At Auburn, Malzahn’s record with transfer quarterbacks is 42–12. His record with quarterbacks that he developed and coached for more than a single year is 31–21. With Lashlee in tow, the record with internally developed QBs is 15–11.

Jeremy Johnson’s struggles as a starter are well known. Sean White showed promise as a starter but was sidelined  time and time again with injuries. While injuries can’t be blamed on a coaching staff, the development and depth behind the starter can be. Auburn was a shell of an offense without White, and White isn’t THAT good of a quarterback. The results with John Franklin, III playing validated what most could see at Auburn’s A-Day: without serious development, JF3 would never be a viable option. 

Track ‘Em Tigers has fantastic readers, and they often weigh in with excellent insights. One particular reader/commenter has used the term “incestuous” in regards to the relationship between Malzahn and Lashlee. For those that don’t know, Lashlee played for Malzahn in high school and was on his staff at several stops. Much the same can be said for other coaches such, for example, as Kodi Burns.

While Burns should not be judged by his lone year’s work on Malzahn’s staff, it is interesting that Auburn would hire a position coach with less than five years of experience as either a player or coach at that position. In truth, it was likely his relationship with Malzahn that landed him the job. 

Now Auburn will conduct a search for its next offensive coordinator. There are a few names making the rounds on social media, two in particular. Obviously Art Briles has been a lightning rod for criticism, but Arizona State’s Chip Lindsey should also be a red flag. Why? Because Lindsey worked for Malzahn at Auburn as offensive analyst and is another coach from the Malzahn tree. Although his pedigree shows a coach that has been successful, his stops (Southern Miss and Arizona State) aren’t in the SEC.

Could a coach from the Malzahn tree be the answer for a struggling offense that has talent but lacks polish or inspired play calling? Absolutely. 

Could a coach from the Malzahn tree be a potential “yes man” who was hired because of a relationship rather than true coaching pedigree? Absolutely.

Either way, Lindsey represents great risk for a struggling Auburn program firmly in the shadow of its greatest rival. Is this what the program needs now? More risk? Perhaps Malzahn should look beyond the shadow of his tree for what might be the most important hire of his career.

 

did you just pull one of these

 

[kd4au 1,145]

12 minutes ago, FoundationEagle said:

So...odds now we hire a qb coach and promote Hand to OC? 

It would not shock me at all.

[NoALtiger 3,862]

21 minutes ago, FoundationEagle said:

So...odds now we hire a qb coach and promote Hand to OC? 

Ha, I thought the same thing....many,many,many pages ago. Of course, I topped my prediction off with the fact that Gus would then call it a day and head over the Waffle House for a fine plate of steak and eggs.

[AUTIGERinSC 69]

Something I've seen a few times in these searches is that they always seem to drop a turd name before the real announcement. I think this is an actual strategy that works. Mazzone for instance. Your thinking why the hell.. but at the same time you resigned to the fact of mediocracy and Mazzone gets a raise. So the bar is set at Mazzone. Then it only gets better from there. 

Ellis and Muschamp were the hottest names at the time we were looking and we landed both. I think Malzhan will get his Guy and errybody will be happy and drunk. 

[PoetTiger 1,898]

1 hour ago, Eagle Eye 7 said:

Yep he saying "why do you think I fired this clown ten years ago " 

Yet who is unemployed and has not been remotely thought of for any coaching position whatsoever...who has no SEC championships even though he had chances at two schools...