Gus vs Power 5 w/ winning records

[doug3020 842]

Towards the end of last season I started to wonder what our record, yds per game and points per game were with Gus versus Power 5 teams with a winning record. I'm not perfect and my math may be slightly off but I was astounded at the difference we have with a true DT qb vs "passing" qb's.

Bowl games are included.

Year-Yds/game-PPG/ Seasons record vs Power 5 teams with winning records (at years end)

• 2009- 361.44yds/gm- 24.78 PPG- 5-4
• 2010- 466.86 yds/gm- 34.29 PPG- 7-0
• 2011- 320.44yds/gm- 25.56 PPG- 4-5
• 2013- 496.38 yds/gm- 35.88 PPG- 6-2
• 2014- 495.30 yds/gm- 32.6 PPG- 5-5
• 2015- 349.75 yds/gm- 22.25 PPG- 2-6
• 2016- 338 yds/gm- 20.14 PPG- 2-5
  • Take away 2016 Arkansas: 289 yds/game- 14.16 PPG

Anyone see a trend?

[Vegaseagle1 8]

Damn.... Gus is lost

[The Plainsman 948]

He's gone.  That trend looks like Tubs trend on just basic SEC wins his last four years. 

[JDUBB4AU 5,127]

7 hours ago, The Plainsman said:

He's gone.  That trend looks like Tubs trend on just basic SEC wins his last four years. 

I thought this During the game. So much of a resemblance to tubs 

[gr82be 14,482]

9 hours ago, doug3020 said:

Towards the end of last season I started to wonder what our record, yds per game and points per game were with Gus versus Power 5 teams with a winning record at the end of the season. I'm not perfect and my math may be slightly off, but I was astounded at the difference we have with a true DT qb vs "passing" qb's. Bowl games are included.

Year-Yds/game-PPG/ Seasons record vs Power 5 teams with winning records (at years end)

2009- 361.44yds/gm- 24.78 PPG- 5-4

2010- 466.86 yds/gm- 34.29 PPG- 7-0

2011- 320.44yds/gm- 25.56 PPG- 4-5

2013- 496.38 yds/gm- 35.88 PPG- 6-2

2014- 495.30 yds/gm- 32.6 PPG- 5-5

2015- 349.75 yds/gm- 22.25 PPG- 2-6

2016- 338 yds/gm- 20.14 PPG- 2-5

Take away 2016 Arkansas:

289 yds/game- 14.16 PPG

 

Anyone see a trend?

 

[AUIH1 1,515]

16 minutes ago, gr82be said:

Yes, to a Cam Newton, Nick Marshall and Deshaun Watson.   There aren't many of those out there.  Saban is content to take his chances.

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[johnnyAU 3,655]

It shouldn't take one style vs another QB to make this much difference.  Good teams can adapt the offense to they talent on hand. Clearly ours cannot.  There's no reason a QB like Stidham cannot have the same success as some of the offenses like the 2014 version with those WR's and RB's.  That being said, we are clearly in disarray on the OL at the moment, and we have a very young, inexperienced guy coaching the WR's.   

It's not that this offense can't work without a DT QB, it's that Gus is obviously incapable or unwilling to fully make the necessary changes.  I still say that the arrival of Nick Marshall was both a blessing and a curse for Gus.  He sat back for a couple of years and had success with a very simplistic offense with about a half dozen plays.  The DC's have adjusted to stop the zone read.  Almost 3 years later and the only difference I see in Malzahn's offense is he is attempting to pass more often.  The routes and the running plays are all basically the same as we saw in 2009, as far as I can tell. No complexity in the routes. No checkdowns. Nonexistent TE.  Same old. Same old.  Venables and the rest of the DC's on the good teams have shown they can adapt and shut it down quickly. 

[musicitytiger 281]

When do we storm the athletic complex to demand change?

[aubaseball 2,660]

What's the saddest part of all this is that there are literally hundreds of DTs QB's every year in the high school ranks and Auburn can't find any.    Seriously, if everyone thinks that all it takes is a nick marshal to run this offense, there are a hundred nick marshals playing high school football every year.  Nick was extremely quick and proved to be great runner but he was far from a great passer.   

[aucom96 1,632]

Dual threat QBs don't block, they don't run solid routes, fight for passes, adjust to what the defense is doing, etc. The best dual threat QBs seem valuable because they are playmakers and playmakers can sometimes overcome breakdown elsewhere. Gus has coached a fundamentally bad, injury prone team throughout his time at Auburn. His teams consistently look unprepared when facing top level competition. This suggests to me a coach that is out of his league and has too large an ego to learn from his mistakes and THAT'S the problem, not our QB being drop back vs a runner. 

[keesler 5,928]

57 minutes ago, aucom96 said:

Dual threat QBs don't block, they don't run solid routes, fight for passes, adjust to what the defense is doing, etc. The best dual threat QBs seem valuable because they are playmakers and playmakers can sometimes overcome breakdown elsewhere. Gus has coached a fundamentally bad, injury prone team throughout his time at Auburn. His teams consistently look unprepared when facing top level competition. This suggests to me a coach that is out of his league and has too large an ego to learn from his mistakes and THAT'S the problem, not our QB being drop back vs a runner. 

  TRUE!