AFTiger 282 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,637 Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, AFTiger said: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,952 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 hours ago, homersapien said: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797 https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/17/no_the_white_house_didnt_dissolve_its_pandemic_response_office_142683.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTiger 282 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Well, the prior administration had the same information and did nothing. The forewarned virus did not appear and this one was a surprise. This is a useless exercise anyway anyway and the Homers of the world just can't let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,637 Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 18 hours ago, AUFAN78 said: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/17/no_the_white_house_didnt_dissolve_its_pandemic_response_office_142683.html From the linked opinion piece: "........One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled......." In other words, yes, the administration dissolved the global health directorate. People left the job. This is nothing but a bunch of weak spin of a Trump lackey accompanying a lie. You need to pull your head out of your "effeminate" ass. It's obvious no one was advising Trump on the implications of a virus pandemic. If so, it's obvious he ignored them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,637 Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 18 hours ago, AFTiger said: Well, the prior administration had the same information and did nothing. The forewarned virus did not appear and this one was a surprise. This is a useless exercise anyway anyway and the Homers of the world just can't let it go. The prior administration created the NSC directorate on pandemic threats. This all a result of the anti-governement / anti science philosophy of the GOP: Elections have consequences. We’re now living with them. By Stuart Stevens March 18, 2020 at 8:00 a.m. EDT Stuart Stevens is a writer and Republican political consultant who has advised a pro-Bill Weld super PAC in the 2020 election. His book about the Republican Party, “It Was All A Lie,” will be published next month. Don’t just blame President Trump. Blame me — and all the other Republicans who aided and abetted and, yes, benefited from protecting a political party that has become dangerous to America. Some of us knew better. But we built this moment. And then we looked the other way. Many of us heard a warning sound we chose to ignore, like that rattle in your car you hear but figure will go away. Now we’re broken down, with plenty of time to think about what should have been done. The failures of the government’s response to the coronavirus crisis can be traced directly to some of the toxic fantasies now dear to the Republican Party. Here are a few: Government is bad. Establishment experts are overrated or just plain wrong. Science is suspect. And we can go it alone, the world be damned. All of these are wrong, of course. But we didn’t get here overnight. It took practice. Long before Trump, the Republican Party adopted as a key article of faith that more government was bad. We worked overtime to squeeze it and shrink it, to drown it in the bathtub, as anti-tax activist Grover Norquist liked to say. But somewhere along the way, it became, “all government is bad.” Now we are in a crisis that can be solved only by massive government intervention. That’s awkward. Next, somehow, the party of idealistic Teddy Roosevelt, pragmatic Bob Dole and heroic John McCain became anti-intellectual, by which I mean, almost reflexively opposed to knowledge and expertise. We began to distrust the experts and put faith in, well, quackery. It was 2013 when former Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal said the Republican Party “must stop being the stupid party.” By 2016, the party had embraced as its nominee a reality-TV host who later suggested that perhaps the noise from windmills causes cancer. The Republican Party has gone from admiring William F. Buckley Jr., an Ivy League intellectual, to viewing higher education as a left-wing conspiracy to indoctrinate the young. In retribution, we started defunding education. Never mind that Republican leaders are among the most highly educated on the planet; it’s just that they now feel compelled to embrace ignorance as a cost of doing business. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, as an example, denounces “coastal elites” while holding degrees from Princeton University and Harvard Law School and having served as a Supreme Court clerk. The GOP’s relationship with science has resembled some kind of Frankenstein experiment: Let’s see what happens when we play with the chemistry set! Conservatives have spent years trying to cut funds for basic science and research, lamenting government seed money for nearly every budding technology and then hoping for the best. In the weeks ahead, it’s not some fiery, anti-Washington populist with an XM radio gig who is going to save folks’ lives; it is more likely to be someone who has been studying this stuff for decades, almost certainly at some point with federal help or outright patronage. Finally, there is the populist GOP distrust and dislike of the other, the foreign. Yes, it is annoying that the Chinese didn’t come clean and explain everything to us from the start. But it appears that a Swiss company is helping to jump-start us in testing; and it is a German company that American officials reportedly tried to lure to the United States recently to help develop a vaccine for the virus. We talk about how we need to be independent even as we do all kinds of things that prove we aren’t. What is happening now is the inevitable result of a party that embraced fear, weaponized xenophobia and regarded facts as dangerous, left-wing landmines that must be avoided. Over the past few years, when ramming through conservative judges, Republicans have crowed, “Elections have consequences.” That’s true. It’s something to think about when sitting at home not watching sports and wondering how long it will be until you can find out if that nasty cold you have is something more. Yes, elections have consequences. Those of us in the Republican Party built this moment. Now the nation must live with those consequences. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/18/elections-have-consequences-slow-response-virus-is-one-them/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,952 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 hours ago, homersapien said: From the linked opinion piece: "........One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled......." In other words, yes, the administration dissolved the global health directorate. People left the job. This is nothing but a bunch of weak spin of a Trump lackey accompanying a lie. You need to pull your head out of your "effeminate" ass. It's obvious no one was advising Trump on the implications of a virus pandemic. If so, it's obvious he ignored them. The saddest part is you believe your nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,257 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 A congressman has tested positive. Mario Diaz-Ballart, a Florida Republican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,257 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 A second congressman, Ben McAdams, a Utah Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,637 Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 17 hours ago, AUFAN78 said: The saddest part is you believe your nonsense. It's true, like it or not. (Pssssst... your emperor has no clothes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,793 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I believe China is the cause.....everyone else is having to react. I don't believe it was intentional mind you (though it could be the result of poor lab practices) but it's pretty clear that the bat virus is from China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,952 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 hours ago, homersapien said: It's true, like it or not. (Pssssst... your emperor has no clothes) It is not true and has been debunked a dozen times by various outlets. I get why you don't like it. Hate it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,508 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 9 hours ago, homersapien said: It's true, like it or not. (Pssssst... your emperor has no clothes) 3 hours ago, AUFAN78 said: It is not true and has been debunked a dozen times by various outlets. I get why you don't like it. Hate it for you. Watch me here...Sorry 78, but homey is indeed right. DJT has no clothes, small hands, and etc. DJT is the poorest prepared President I can even hallucinate. When you dont even attend your daily briefings on deployments etc well, excuse me but as a Vet, I demand the C&C be 100% involved in deployments and the reasoning behind them. DJT has a completely broke "Give-a-Damn." When the situation does get hot, hopefully he will be gone by then, he could launch us into a war with nothing more than a disrespectful tweet. My son & the kids I love and coach just registered for Selective Service. I really dwell on this alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,952 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 14 hours ago, DKW 86 said: Watch me here...Sorry 78, but homey is indeed right. DJT has no clothes, small hands, and etc. DJT is the poorest prepared President I can even hallucinate. When you dont even attend your daily briefings on deployments etc well, excuse me but as a Vet, I demand the C&C be 100% involved in deployments and the reasoning behind them. DJT has a completely broke "Give-a-Damn." When the situation does get hot, hopefully he will be gone by then, he could launch us into a war with nothing more than a disrespectful tweet. My son & the kids I love and coach just registered for Selective Service. I really dwell on this alot. Thanks man, but think you misunderstood what we are talking about. I was specific, not generalized. No worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeleagle 2,945 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 On 3/1/2020 at 10:09 AM, aubiefifty said: dailykos.com Trump calls coronavirus 'the new hoax' as he repeats lies about spread within the U.S. Mark Sumner Daily Kos Staff On Friday night, Donald Trump called the coronavirus epidemic a “hoax” by Democrats who “failed” to bring him down over his collusion with Russia, or the extortion of Ukraine that led to his impeachment. After weeks of downplaying the threat, of ignoring the spread around the world, and of demonstrating that his concerns begin and end with the stock market, Trump has moved on to the next stage of how he is handling the COVID-19 issue — affixing the blame. On a rally stage in South Carolina, Trump took his statement that he could kill Americans and get away with it out of the realm of theory and put it into practice. The people that he murdered might not be dead yet, but his words on that stage have killed them as certainly as if he lined them up on Fifth Avenue and opened fire. Trump has criminally underplayed the importance of emergency preparations of all kinds. His gutted White House has disposed of epidemiologists and emergency response specialists from the National Security Council, CDC, and elsewhere — for reasons that don’t seem to be much more defined than Trump’s lifelong hatred of having people around who know that what is doing is foolish. During his positively incoherent press event on Thursday, Trump already knew that there were sixty cases of coronavirus within the United States. More importantly, he knew that the CDC had just identified the first case of “community spread” in the country — a case that didn’t come in from overseas, and wasn’t obviously tied to someone who had caught it outside the country. Before his speech in South Carolina, three more cases had been identified, including another case of community spread. However, Trump insisted on telling his rally audience that there were still only “fifteen cases in this huge country.” Trump took credit for this “pretty amazing” imaginary victory, claiming it was because he “moved early.” But it’s clear that Trump wants to declare the win … won. And everything that happens from now on can’t be blamed on him. Trump: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. You know that … coronavirus. We did one of the great jobs, you say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They say, ‘Oh, not good. Not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. … They tried to beat you on ‘Russia, Russia, Russia,’ that didn’t work out to well. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried over and over. They been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning, they lost, it’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.” The worst thing with Trump’s statement isn’t that it once again treats an infectious disease as a political talking point. It’s not that he’s failing to warn his listeners of the genuine threat they and their families will be facing. It’s not even that he’s dodging the blame for a response that has already proven inadequate. The worst thing is that Trump never has a worst thing. There is always more ahead. Because when confronted, he won’t admit a mistake, or apologize, or even try to sidestep. He will double down. And where he’s going can already be seen in the way that this story is being handled by right-wing media and by politicians who are racing to get ahead of the issue … the Republican way. The Corona virus was man-made. Bill Gates is one of the financiers of the Wujan lab where it was being developed. I wouldnâÂÂt put it past them and by âÂÂthemâ I mean everyone from Adam Schiff to George Soros, Hillary Clinton and the Pope. #DeepStateCabal #KAG2020 @CIA https://t.co/NYHkEp5UHH — JoanneWrightForCongress (@JWrightforCA34) February 24, 2020 Joanne Wright is an actual Republican candidate for Congress in the 34th California district currently held by Democratic Rep. Jimmy Gomez. Gomez won his last race with 72% of the vote … over a Green Party candidate, as Republicans didn’t even field a challenger. Wright doesn’t actually represent a threat to take away a seat in the House. But she represents a threat all right. Her version of the coronavirus situation, with conspiracy theory ladled on top of conspiracy theory, with a heaping helping of both antisemitism and anti-Catholicism is exactly how this story is circulating in right wing channels. That may seem like the batsh#t fringe of the party. But at this point, the Trumpist party is all fringe. Trump is already stepping onto this ground with his claim that the coronavirus is a Democratic hoax. With the stock market already in free-fall, and the disease beginning to spread across the nation in earnest, there is no place he will not go. Or at least … no place except responsible behavior and good management. how dangerous is this? trump spewing more lies and hate towards the left because he wants to get re elected. and for the record i fact checked this and it is true. and here is what pisses me off other than the hate he spreads.............. snopes.com Did Trump Fire the US Pandemic Response Team? 4-5 minutes Amid warnings from public health officials that a 2020 outbreak of a new coronavirus could soon become a pandemic involving the U.S., alarmed readers asked Snopes to verify a rumor that U.S. President Donald Trump had “fired the entire pandemic response team two years ago and then didn’t replace them.” The claim came from a series of tweets posted by Judd Legum, who runs Popular Information, a newsletter he describes as being about “politics and power.” Legum’s commentary was representative of sharp criticism from Democratic legislators (and some Republicans) that the Trump administration had ill-prepared the country for a pandemic even as one was looming on the horizon. Legum outlined a series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years that had gutted the nation’s infectious disease defense infrastructure. The “pandemic response team” firing claim referred to news accounts from Spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted. Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been fired one month prior. It’s thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time. Legum stated in a follow-up tweet that “Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. Among the countries abandoned? China.” That was partly true, according to 2018 news reports stating that funding for the CDC’s global disease outbreak prevention efforts had been reduced by 80%, including funding for the agency’s efforts in China. But that was the result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration. On Feb. 24, 2020, the Trump administration requested $2.5 billion to address the coronavirus outbreak, an outlay critics asserted might not have been necessary if the previous program cuts had not taken place. Fortune reported of the issue that: The cuts could be especially problematic as COVID-19 continues to spread. Health officials are now warning the U.S. is unlikely to be spared, even though cases are minimal here so far. “It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen in this country any more but a question of when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a press call [on Feb. 25]. The coronavirus was first detected in Wuhan, China, in the winter of 2019, and cases spread around the globe. The U.S. had 57 confirmed cases as of this writing, while globally, roughly 80,000 patients had been sickened with the virus and 3,000 had died. As of yet, no vaccine or pharmaceutical treatment for the new coronavirus. Data from China suggests the coronavirus has a higher fatality rate than the seasonal flu, although outcomes depend on factors such as the age and underlying health of the patient. Readers can find the latest coronavirus information from the CDC here. Trump never called the coronavirus a HOAX. Read the fact check below. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ I am sure the President as did many other experts in the field, including Democratic leaders at that time, was not fully aware of the seriousness. WHy? b/c No ONE, including other countries were not getting accurate information out of China. Yes, this President tries to look at things positively, but let's just take what HIS experts he has around him to understand the facts, as they become known to them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,637 Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, steeleagle said: Trump never called the coronavirus a HOAX. Read the fact check below. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ I am sure the President as did many other experts in the field, including Democratic leaders at that time, was not fully aware of the seriousness. WHy? b/c No ONE, including other countries were not getting accurate information out of China. Yes, this President tries to look at things positively, but let's just take what HIS experts he has around him to understand the facts, as they become known to them too. At a February 28 rally in Charleston, South Carolina, Trump told thousands of cheering fans that "the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus.""One of my people came up to me and said, 'Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.' That did not work out too well." Trump told the crowd. "They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. ... They tried anything. ... And this is their new hoax." (0:24) in the clip below: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,637 Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 From your Snopes clip: What's True During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubiefifty 17,352 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, steeleagle said: Trump never called the coronavirus a HOAX. Read the fact check below. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ I am sure the President as did many other experts in the field, including Democratic leaders at that time, was not fully aware of the seriousness. WHy? b/c No ONE, including other countries were not getting accurate information out of China. Yes, this President tries to look at things positively, but let's just take what HIS experts he has around him to understand the facts, as they become known to them too. best check again as i sat here and watched him call it a dem hoax. that is fact.snopes is wrong and you are wrong. period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,952 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 4 hours ago, steeleagle said: Trump never called the coronavirus a HOAX. Read the fact check below. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ I am sure the President as did many other experts in the field, including Democratic leaders at that time, was not fully aware of the seriousness. WHy? b/c No ONE, including other countries were not getting accurate information out of China. Yes, this President tries to look at things positively, but let's just take what HIS experts he has around him to understand the facts, as they become known to them too. There is honor in truth. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTiger 282 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Blaming Trump for this pandemic is a hoax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,974 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 14 hours ago, AUFAN78 said: There is honor in truth. Thank you! What effing irony! You support the lyingest president in the history of presidents, maybe all people........ and there’s a video of him saying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gowebb11 9,492 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 19 hours ago, homersapien said: From your Snopes clip: What's True During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu. He did call it a hoax. And was very wrong to do so. Much like Obama calling ISIS the ‘junior varsity’ right before they ignited a long standing terror campaign of immense violence, death, and destruction. In our two party system, both sides do some good things and bad things, and demonstrate great leadership and terrible leadership. And both sides spend way too much time trying to take all the credit for the good and lay all of the blame for the bad on the other side. And round and round we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,952 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, alexava said: What effing irony! You support the lyingest president in the history of presidents, maybe all people........ and there’s a video of him saying it. In context, Trump did not say that the virus itself was a hoax. He instead said that Democrats’ criticism of his administration’s response to it was a hoax. BTW, I've supported every president in my lifetime. It is sad that news organizations try and politicize everything. Sadder that low IQ parrots buy it. I've seen it for three years and have little doubt it will indeed continue. #truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,974 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 21 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: In context, Trump did not say that the virus itself was a hoax. He instead said that Democrats’ criticism of his administration’s response to it was a hoax. BTW, I've supported every president in my lifetime. It is sad that news organizations try and politicize everything. Sadder that low IQ parrots buy it. I've seen it for three years and have little doubt it will indeed continue. #truth “Criticism of his administration’s response “ can’t even be a hoax. Either he or you don’t know what a hoax is. It’s effing real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,637 Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, AUFAN78 said: In context, Trump did not say that the virus itself was a hoax. He instead said that Democrats’ criticism of his administration’s response to it was a hoax. Seriously? That's self-ridiculing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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