Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-takeaways.html The New York Times has obtained tax-return data for President Trump and his companies that covers more than two decades. Mr. Trump has long refused to release this information, making him the first president in decades to hide basic details about his finances. His refusal has made his tax returns among the most sought-after documents in recent memory. Among the key findings of The Times’s investigation: Mr. Trump paid no federal income taxes in 11 of 18 years that The Times examined. In 2017, after he became president, his tax bill was only $750. He has reduced his tax bill with questionable measures, including a $72.9 million tax refund that is the subject of an audit by the Internal Revenue Service. Many of his signature businesses, including his golf courses, report losing large amounts of money — losses that have helped him to lower his taxes. The financial pressure on him is increasing as hundreds of millions of dollars in loans he personally guaranteed are soon coming due. Even while declaring losses, he has managed to enjoy a lavish lifestyle by taking tax deductions on what most people would consider personal expenses, including residences, aircraft and $70,000 in hairstyling for television. Ivanka Trump, while working as an employee of the Trump Organization, appears to have received “consulting fees” that also helped reduce the family’s tax bill. As president, he has received more money from foreign sources and U.S. interest groups than previously known. The records do not reveal any previously unreported connections to Russia. It is important to remember that the returns are not an unvarnished look at Mr. Trump’s business activity. They are instead his own portrayal of his companies, compiled for the I.R.S. But they do offer the most detailed picture yet available. Below is a deeper look at the takeaways. The main article based on the investigation contains much more information, as does a timeline of the president’s finances. Dean Baquet, the executive editor, has written a note explaining why The Times is publishing these findings. The president’s tax avoidance Mr. Trump has paid no federal income taxes for much of the past two decades. In addition to the 11 years in which he paid no taxes during the 18 years examined by The Times, he paid only $750 in each of the two most recent years — 2016 and 2017. He has managed to avoid taxes while enjoying the lifestyle of a billionaire — which he claims to be — while his companies cover the costs of what many would consider personal expenses. This tax avoidance sets him apart from most other affluent Americans. Taxes on wealthy Americans have declined sharply over the past few decades, and many use loopholes to reduce their taxes below the statutory rates. But most affluent people still pay a lot of federal income tax. In 2017, the average federal income rate for the highest-earning .001 percent of tax filers — that is, the most affluent 1/100,000th slice of the population — was 24.1 percent, according to the I.R.S. Over the past two decades, Mr. Trump has paid about $400 million less in combined federal income taxes than a very wealthy person who paid the average for that group each year. His tax avoidance also sets him apart from past presidents. Mr. Trump may be the wealthiest U.S. president in history. Yet he has often paid less in taxes than other recent presidents. Barack Obama and George W. Bush each regularly paid more than $100,000 a year — and sometimes much more — in federal income taxes while in office. Mr. Trump, by contrast, is running a federal government to which he has contributed almost no income tax revenue in many years. A large refund has been crucial to his tax avoidance. Mr. Trump did face large tax bills after the initial success of “The Apprentice” television show, but he erased most of these tax payments through a refund. Combined, Mr. Trump initially paid almost $95 million in federal income taxes over the 18 years. He later managed to recoup most of that money, with interest, by applying for and receiving a $72.9 million tax refund, starting in 2010. The refund reduced his total federal income tax bill between 2000 and 2017 to an annual average of $1.4 million. By comparison, the average American in the top .001 percent of earners paid about $25 million in federal income taxes each year over the same span. The $72.9 million refund has since become the subject of a long-running battle with the I.R.S. When applying for the refund, he cited a giant financial loss that may be related to the failure of his Atlantic City casinos. Publicly, he also claimed that he had fully surrendered his stake in the casinos. But the real story may be different from the one he told. Federal law holds that investors can claim a total loss on an investment, as Mr. Trump did, only if they receive nothing in return. Mr. Trump did appear to receive something in return: 5 percent of the new casino company that formed when he renounced his stake. In 2011, the I.R.S. began an audit reviewing the legitimacy of the refund. Almost a decade later, the case remains unresolved, for unknown reasons, and could ultimately end up in federal court, where it could become a matter of public record. Business expenses and personal benefits Mr. Trump classifies much of the spending on his personal lifestyle as the cost of business. His residences are part of the family business, as are the golf courses where he spends so much time. He has classified the cost of his aircraft, used to shuttle him among his homes, as a business expense as well. Haircuts — including more than $70,000 to style his hair during “The Apprentice” — have fallen into the same category. So did almost $100,000 paid to a favorite hair and makeup artist of Ivanka Trump. All of this helps to reduce Mr. Trump’s tax bill further, because companies can write off business expenses. Seven Springs, his estate in Westchester County, N.Y., typifies his aggressive definition of business expenses. Mr. Trump bought the estate, which stretches over more than 200 acres in Bedford, N.Y., in 1996. His sons Eric and Donald Jr. spent summers living there when they were younger. “This is really our compound,” Eric told Forbes in 2014. “Today,” the Trump Organization website continues to report, “Seven Springs is used as a retreat for the Trump family.” Nonetheless, the elder Mr. Trump has classified the estate as an investment property, distinct from a personal residence. As a result, he has been able to write off $2.2 million in property taxes since 2014 — even as his 2017 tax law has limited individuals to writing off only $10,000 in property taxes a year. The ‘consulting fees’ Across nearly all of his projects, Mr. Trump’s companies set aside about 20 percent of income for unexplained ‘consulting fees.’ These fees reduce taxes, because companies are able to write them off as a business expense, lowering the amount of final profit subject to tax. Mr. Trump collected $5 million on a hotel deal in Azerbaijan, for example, and reported $1.1 million in consulting fees. In Dubai, there was a $630,000 fee on $3 million in income. Since 2010, Mr. Trump has written off some $26 million in such fees. His daughter appears to have received some of these consulting fees, despite having been a top Trump Organization executive. The Times investigation discovered a striking match: Mr. Trump’s private records show that his company once paid $747,622 in fees to an unnamed consultant for hotel projects in Hawaii and Vancouver, British Columbia. Ivanka Trump’s public disclosure forms — which she filed when joining the White House staff in 2017 — show that she had received an identical amount through a consulting company she co-owned. Money-losing businesses Many of the highest-profile Trump businesses lose large amounts of money. Since 2000, he has reported losing more than $315 million at the golf courses that he often describes as the heart of his empire. Much of this has been at Trump National Doral, a resort near Miami that he bought in 2012. And his Washington hotel, opened in 2016, has lost more than $55 million. An exception: Trump Tower in New York, which reliably earns him more than $20 million in profits a year. The most successful part of the Trump business has been his personal brand. The Times calculates that between 2004 and 2018, Mr. Trump made a combined $427.4 million from selling his image — an image of unapologetic wealth through shrewd business management. The marketing of this image has been a huge success, even if the underlying management of many of the operating Trump companies has not been. Other firms, especially in real estate, have paid for the right to use the Trump name. The brand made possible the “The Apprentice” — and the show then took the image to another level. Of course, Mr. Trump’s brand also made possible his election as the first United States president with no prior government experience. But his unprofitable companies still served a financial purpose: reducing his tax bill. The Trump Organization — a collection of more than 500 entities, virtually all of them wholly owned by Mr. Trump — has used the losses to offset the rich profits from the licensing of the Trump brand and other profitable pieces of its business. The reported losses from the operating businesses were so large that they often fully erased the licensing income, leaving the organization to claim that it earns no money and thus owes no taxes. This pattern is an old one for Mr. Trump. The collapse of major parts of his business in the early 1990s generated huge losses that he used to reduce his taxes for years afterward. Large bills looming With the cash from ‘The Apprentice,’ Mr. Trump went on his biggest buying spree since the 1980s. “The Apprentice,” which debuted on NBC in 2004, was a huge hit. Mr. Trump received 50 percent of its profits, and he went on to buy more than 10 golf courses and multiple other properties. The losses at these properties reduced his tax bill. But the strategy ran into trouble as the money from “The Apprentice” began to decline. By 2015, his financial condition was worsening. His 2016 presidential campaign may have been partly an attempt to resuscitate his brand. The financial records do not answer this question definitively. But the timing is consistent: Mr. Trump announced a campaign that seemed a long shot to win, but was almost certain to bring him newfound attention, at the same time that his businesses were in need of a new approach. The presidency has helped his business. Since he became a leading presidential candidate, he has received large amounts of money from lobbyists, politicians and foreign officials who pay to stay at his properties or join his clubs. The Times investigation puts precise numbers on this spending for the first time. A surge of new members at the Mar-a-Lago club in Florida gave him an additional $5 million a year from the business since 2015. The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association paid at least $397,602 in 2017 to the Washington hotel, where it held at least one event during its World Summit in Defense of Persecuted Christians. In his first two years in the White House, Mr. Trump received millions of dollars from projects in foreign countries, including $3 million from the Philippines, $2.3 million from India and $1 million from Turkey. But the presidency has not resolved his core financial problem: Many of his businesses continue to lose money. With “The Apprentice” revenue declining, Mr. Trump has absorbed the losses partly through one-time financial moves that may not be available to him again. In 2012, he took out a $100 million mortgage on the commercial space in Trump Tower. He has also sold hundreds of millions worth of stock and bonds. But his financial records indicate that he may have as little as $873,000 left to sell. He will soon face several major bills that could put further pressure on his finances. He appears to have paid off none of the principal of the Trump Tower mortgage, and the full $100 million comes due in 2022. And if he loses his dispute with the I.R.S. over the 2010 refund, he could owe the government more than $100 million (including interest on the original amount). He is personally on the hook for some of these bills. In the 1990s, Mr. Trump nearly ruined himself by personally guaranteeing hundreds of millions of dollars in loans, and he has since said that he regretted doing so. But he has taken the same step again, his tax records show. He appears to be responsible for loans totaling $421 million, most of which is coming due within four years. Should he win re-election, his lenders could be placed in the unprecedented position of weighing whether to foreclose on a sitting president. Whether he wins or loses, he will probably need to find new ways to use his brand — and his popularity among tens of millions of Americans — to make money. ADVERTISEMENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 16,454 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 If it were revealed that Obama didn't pay taxes, Fox News would start a new channel, Fox News 2, just to talk about that 24 hours a day until the end of the century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,438 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 50 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: Money-losing businesses Many of the highest-profile Trump businesses lose large amounts of money. Since 2000, he has reported losing more than $315 million at the golf courses that he often describes as the heart of his empire. Much of this has been at Trump National Doral, a resort near Miami that he bought in 2012. And his Washington hotel, opened in 2016, has lost more than $55 million. An exception: Trump Tower in New York, which reliably earns him more than $20 million in profits a year. He loses $$$ at just about everything he does. I predicted that way back... 51 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: But the presidency has not resolved his core financial problem: Many of his businesses continue to lose money. With “The Apprentice” revenue declining, Mr. Trump has absorbed the losses partly through one-time financial moves that may not be available to him again. In 2012, he took out a $100 million mortgage on the commercial space in Trump Tower. He has also sold hundreds of millions worth of stock and bonds. But his financial records indicate that he may have as little as $873,000 left to sell. Anyone really surprised at this? 51 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: He is personally on the hook for some of these bills. In the 1990s, Mr. Trump nearly ruined himself by personally guaranteeing hundreds of millions of dollars in loans, and he has since said that he regretted doing so. But he has taken the same step again, his tax records show. He appears to be responsible for loans totaling $421 million, most of which is coming due within four years. I think if you look back on my posts on his taxes, I made some rather smart guesses and hit most of this right on the nose. Homey, great find and thanks for sharing. I know of no one that is shocked by this at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaltyTiger 7,840 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 36 minutes ago, RunInRed said: If it were revealed that Obama didn't pay taxes, Fox News would start a new channel, Fox News 2, just to talk about that 24 hours a day until the end of the century. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-new-york-times-avoid-paying-taxes-totally 'totally made up' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubiefifty 16,862 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 70,000 in haircuts and he still looks like the back end of a baboon? wow. but all this is just another day in trumps world where dirty deeds come out and i can guarantee you his base could care less because he is just misunderstood and gods chosen boy. i cannot wait to hear all the excuses. looks like mr Coen is not quite the liar many portrayed him to be as it is all coming true.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,422 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 This is just the tip of the iceberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,509 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I think what it really shows is that the US tax system is constructed for the benefit of very rich people. It allows them a virtually bottomless vat of complicated ways to avoid taxes and leaves the rest of us paying the bills. The Dems should be beating this drum like crazy. Honest conservatives should join them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,422 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 "The records do not reveal any previously unreported connections to Russia." (Key word.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps 3,704 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Do we know how the New York Times got this info? Does anyone even care how they got it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdefromtx 3,159 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Breaking news!! Rich use tax code to their benefit!! Some of which may be questionable....while the middle class struggle with taxes. Wait, there’s nothing new about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Grumps said: Do we know how the New York Times got this info? Does anyone even care how they got it? My guess is that it came as a leak from within the State of NY. The Manhattan D.A. has been seeking Trump's tax returns for a potential prosecution of tax evasion/fraud. Supreme Court recently ruled that President's don't have immunity in state cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,438 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, homersapien said: This is just the tip of the iceberg TOTALLY AGREE. I would wager that the veneer of being a great business man is about to wear right off. 1 hour ago, TitanTiger said: I think what it really shows is that the US tax system is constructed for the benefit of very rich people. It allows them a virtually bottomless vat of complicated ways to avoid taxes and leaves the rest of us paying the bills. The Dems should be beating this drum like crazy. Honest conservatives should join them. We all know it, but sometimes we need to be reminded. 1 hour ago, Grumps said: Do we know how the New York Times got this info? Does anyone even care how they got it? No one cares... 58 minutes ago, wdefromtx said: Breaking news!! Rich use tax code to their benefit!! Some of which may be questionable....while the middle class struggle with taxes. Wait, there’s nothing new about that. This will sell in an election year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,509 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 This tweet didn't age well: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DKW 86 7,438 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Trump pays far less in taxes than Opponents, Past Presidents, Middle-Class, high School kids with jobs, part time college students, hell anyone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, DKW 86 said: Trump pays far less in taxes than Opponents, Past Presidents, Middle-Class, high School kids with jobs, part time college students, hell anyone.... Oh I promise I paid A LOT more than $750 last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialCircle 570 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Do we know the tax returns are legit? Let's say they are for the purpose of my next comments. Trump can ask why are you attacking me for being smart? And I didn't create these tax laws, but by virtue of your 47 years in DC Mr. Biden you have helped create these tax laws. Also, I'd like to remind you that I have donated my entire salary as President to these causes (and Trump can list them). And I challenge you to donate the salary our tax payers are currently paying you as well Mr. Biden. Also, let me point out in addition I have given this amount (Trump names the amount) to charity and to help my fellow citizens during this period in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialCircle 570 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 hours ago, RunInRed said: Amount of tax payer paid salary donated back: Biden, Harris, Sanders, Warren= little if any Trump = All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubiefifty 16,862 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, SocialCircle said: Amount of tax payer paid salary donated back: Biden, Harris, Sanders, Warren= little if any Trump = All boy that is rich.......go google how much money he is making off the government. it is slight of hand. a con game. make you think he is great but giving peanuts while he and his clan are raking in the dough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubiefifty 16,862 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 does anyone remember when the news said trump defaulted on so many loans etc he had to get them from oversea's? i believe Belgium might have been one of the countries? that's what i want to know is who all he borrowed from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialCircle 570 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, aubiefifty said: boy that is rich.......go google how much money he is making off the government. it is slight of hand. a con game. make you think he is great but giving peanuts while he and his clan are raking in the dough. Are you saying the Clintons and the Obamas didn't get rich and Biden's family hasn't gotten rich, etc.? How much again of their tax payer paid salaries have they donated back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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