TitanTiger 20,509 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, ArgoEagle said: Went through it all shortly after election. Now this Georgia video comes out and of course Dems say this is not proof. I say it is. Believe it or not, your choice. I'm done commenting. Look, you don't get to come into a thread on the regular political forum, make wild claims and accusations, offer zero proof and refuse to engage counter arguments aside from saying s*** like "open your eyes" and be taken seriously. If this is the best you can do, stick to the sports forums. It's simple. If you believe the officials are corrupt, then put up or shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 44 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: And the stupid continues Some of these people should be disbarred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, McLoofus said: Soros, duh. I mean, he's practically wearing a head scarf and being polite to his local bodega guy. Y'all thought I was kidding. This was retweeted without context but I super duper don't require that this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 hour ago, ArgoEagle said: Went through it all shortly after election. Now this Georgia video comes out and of course Dems say this is not proof. I say it is. Believe it or not, your choice. I'm done commenting. REPUBLICANS said it's not real, including Bill f***ing Barr. Get your facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,509 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: REPUBLICANS said it's not real, including Bill f***ing Barr. Get your facts straight. Bbbbbut, Argo just KNOWS, Brad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps 3,704 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 21 hours ago, Brad_ATX said: Yeah, you didn't make this clear at all in your original post. Fair enough! Thanks for clearing it up for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 It's not just Trump. It's the entire Republican Party. Just 27 congressional Republicans acknowledge Biden’s win, Washington Post survey finds Paul Kane and Scott Clement Dec. 5, 2020 Just 27 congressional Republicans acknowledge Joe Biden’s win over President Trump a month after the former vice president’s clear victory of more than 7 million votes nationally and a convincing electoral-vote margin that exactly matched Trump’s 2016 tally. Two Republicans consider Trump the winner despite all evidence showing otherwise. And another 220 GOP members of the House and Senate — about 88 percent of all Republicans serving in Congress — will simply not say who won the election. Those are the findings of a Washington Post survey of all 249 Republicans in the House and Senate that began the morning after Trump posted a 46-minute video Wednesday evening in which he wrongly claimed he had defeated Biden and leveled wild and unsubstantiated allegations of “corrupt forces” who stole the outcome from the sitting president. A chart shows how Republicans answered three questions in a survey about President-elect Joe Biden's election victory and President Trump's false claims of victory. A team of 25 Post reporters contacted aides for every Republican by email and phone asking three basic questions — who won the presidential contest, do you support or oppose Trump’s continuing efforts to claim victory and if Biden wins a majority in the electoral college, will you accept him as the legitimately elected president — and also researched public statements made by the GOP lawmakers in recent weeks to determine their stance on Biden’s win. The results demonstrate the fear that most Republicans have of the outgoing president and his grip on the party, despite his new status as just the third elected president to lose reelection in the past 80 years. More than 70 percent of Republican lawmakers did not acknowledge The Post’s questions as of Friday evening. In response to the congressional Republicans who have called Biden president-elect identified in the Post survey, Trump tweeted Saturday: “I am surprised there are so many. We have just begun to fight. Please send me a list of the . . . RINOS,” the disparaging acronym for Republican in name only. The rest of the GOP is largely hiding from answering questions about the election, neither congratulating Biden nor embracing Trump’s most strident positions and false claims. Just eight Republicans, 3 percent of all GOP lawmakers, voiced support for Trump’s current strategy of claiming victory and asking state legislatures to declare him the victor in states that he lost. This GOP nonresponse stands in stark contrast to Democrats in 2016. The morning after media outlets called Trump the winner, Hillary Clinton conceded and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N. Y) fielded a call from Trump. Schumer issued a statement shortly thereafter congratulating the president-elect and calling for Americans to “come together.” Today, most Republicans just want to avoid the Trump question altogether, following the lead of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), whose office pointed to his recent comments about the election and declined to participate in the survey. Most Republicans greet Trump’s push to overturn the election with a customary response: Silence On Tuesday, McConnell ducked questions about Trump’s claim of fraud and refused to take any leadership role in acknowledging Biden’s victory. “The future will take care of itself,” he told reporters. On Thursday, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) would not even consider how he would fight executive orders in Biden’s first days in office, leaving open the idea that someone else could be sworn in on Jan. 20. “Let’s wait until [we see] who’s sworn in,” McCarthy said, “and we can discuss that.” Today’s reactions — or, mostly, non-reactions — mirror how many Republicans handled four years of Trump’s intemperance: A few predictable Trump critics would condemn his actions, such as the decision to use tear gas on peaceful protesters to clear Lafayette Square in June so Trump could walk across the park, but most would try to avoid the subject. Their complicit silence now comes as Trump continues to mount an unfounded campaign against the democratic outcome of an election, leaving them isolated as other federal, state and local Republican officials have rejected Trump’s false assertions. Even Kellyanne Conway — Trump’s 2016 campaign manager and longtime adviser, who famously coined the phrase “alternative facts” — went further than most Republican members of Congress. She acknowledged Friday that it looked like Biden “will prevail” and called for a “peaceful transfer of democracy.” On Tuesday, Attorney General William P. Barr declared that the Justice Department had not found any evidence of voter fraud that would change the outcome of the election, following the top election cybersecurity official’s declaration that the election had been safe from any hacking. The president summarily fired that official, Christopher Krebs, and is said to be weighing action against Barr. The Trump campaign has suffered multiple losses in its post-election legal challenges to overturn the results, with stinging defeats Friday in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada and Wisconsin. In Arizona and Nevada, judges tossed full-scale challenges to the states’ election results filed by the Republican Party and the campaign, respectively. Last month, U.S. District Judge Matthew W. Brann dismissed a Trump campaign lawsuit to block the certification of Pennsylvania’s election results, writing in a scathing opinion that the campaign had presented “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations” in its effort to throw out millions of votes. “In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state,” Brann wrote. Two Michigan Republican legislative leaders, after being summoned to the White House, announced they would not intervene to block Biden’s relatively comfortable win there. In Arizona, Republican Gov. Doug Ducey signed election results Monday certifying Biden’s narrow victory there, saying a bipartisan collection of local officials oversaw a clean election. In Georgia, Gov. Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, both Republicans, certified Biden’s slender victory there and have resisted calls from Trump and his supporters to throw out the results. One of Raffensperger’s deputies implored the state’s U.S. senators, Republicans David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, to oppose Trump’s efforts, warning of potential violence to civil servants. Instead, Perdue’s public and private actions are emblematic of how many Republicans feel. With Perdue and Loeffler facing Jan. 5 runoff elections that will determine the Senate majority, the two have publicly embraced Trump’s baseless claim that the Dominion Voting Systems machines used in Georgia were rigged as part of a global conspiracy, hoping to retain support among the president’s strongest backers. Both also have called for Raffensperger to resign. Yet in a video obtained by The Post, Perdue privately acknowledged the reality that Trump lost and that Republicans needed to focus on those Georgia races to save the Senate majority. “We can at least be a buffer on some of the things that the Biden camp has been talking about,” he told donors on a video conference. Other highlights from the survey found that: ●Twelve of the 52 Senate Republicans acknowledge Biden’s victory. ●Of the 15 House Republicans who recognize the true winner, six are retiring from politics at the end of this month and two more represent districts that Biden won convincingly. Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) went as far as any Republican in embracing Biden. The two worked together on the Beau Biden Cancer Moonshot proposal, named for Biden’s son who died of brain cancer in 2015, turning it into a massive 2016 medical research bill........... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/survey-who-won-election-republicans-congress/2020/12/04/1a1011f6-3650-11eb-8d38-6aea1adb3839_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps 3,704 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Translation: Most republicans in Congress don't answer meaningless poll questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Grumps said: Translation: Most republicans in Congress don't answer meaningless poll questions. Meaningless? You think a poll on our representatives position on such a critically important subject is "meaningless"? Do you think - as the folks they are representing - that we are better off by not knowing their position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps 3,704 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 9 hours ago, homersapien said: Meaningless? You think a poll on our representatives position on such a critically important subject is "meaningless"? Do you think - as the folks they are representing - that we are better off by not knowing their position? Absolutely meaningless! The poll questions were asked by the Washington Post to make the republicans look bad. They were not questions asked by their constituents. Look at the first question: Who won the election? According to the article, 25 of 27 (92.59%) republicans who answered the question said that Biden won. What does the article say? "Twelve of the 52 Senate Republicans acknowledge Biden’s victory." They are implying that the other 40 don't acknowledge Biden's victory because they don't think he won. In fact, anyone who is honest knows that at least most of those 40 republicans just didn't want to answer the question from the Washington Post (probably because they knew that the Post would manipulate the results to say something bad about them, which they did). I think it is great that we know the positions of the people who represent us, but I know that seeing what the Washington Post says about these poll questions does nothing to inform us of what or representatives really think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Grumps said: Absolutely meaningless! The poll questions were asked by the Washington Post to make the republicans look bad. They were not questions asked by their constituents. Look at the first question: Who won the election? According to the article, 25 of 27 (92.59%) republicans who answered the question said that Biden won. What does the article say? "Twelve of the 52 Senate Republicans acknowledge Biden’s victory." They are implying that the other 40 don't acknowledge Biden's victory because they don't think he won. In fact, anyone who is honest knows that at least most of those 40 republicans just didn't want to answer the question from the Washington Post (probably because they knew that the Post would manipulate the results to say something bad about them, which they did). I think it is great that we know the positions of the people who represent us, but I know that seeing what the Washington Post says about these poll questions does nothing to inform us of what or representatives really think. No, they are reporting that at least 40 Republicans refuse to answer such a simple "yes or no" question. This illustrated just how spineless most Republicans are, and how willing they are to compromise their own personal principles in deference to a would-be authoritarian president. That's what makes Republicans look bad. Your excuse they refused to do so in fear of being played is weak tea. How is simply being honest going to work against them, unless they fear Trump?? (And by the way, one of the essential purposes of a free press is to ask such questions on the behalf or - or for the benefit of - the people, their "constituents". That's fundamental to the importance of a free press.) You may call such non-responses "meaningless" but I consider it very telling. Also, your indifference to the value and duty of the press in asking such questions suggests you are in the same camp as the non-responding politicians - can't piss off Dear Leader, or else. You are all a threat to our democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps 3,704 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 8 hours ago, homersapien said: No, they are reporting that at least 40 Republicans refuse to answer such a simple "yes or no" question. This illustrated just how spineless most Republicans are, and how willing they are to compromise their own personal principles in deference to a would-be authoritarian president. That's what makes Republicans look bad. Your excuse they refused to do so in fear of being played is weak tea. How is simply being honest going to work against them, unless they fear Trump?? (And by the way, one of the essential purposes of a free press is to ask such questions on the behalf or - or for the benefit of - the people, their "constituents". That's fundamental to the importance of a free press.) You may call such non-responses "meaningless" but I consider it very telling. Also, your indifference to the value and duty of the press in asking such questions suggests you are in the same camp as the non-responding politicians - can't piss off Dear Leader, or else. You are all a threat to our democracy. They don't owe the Washington Post reporters anything. If I sent you some poll questions you wouldn't answer them because the answers are none of my business and because you know I might try to use your answers to make you look bad. I turn down requests to answer polls all of the time. I don't consider the polls to be worth my time and I don't know what will be done with the answers. My guess is that the people who received the poll questions feel the same way. HERE IS A QUESTION FOR YOU. HOW MANY DEMOCRATS RESPONDED TO THE SURVEY? ANSWER: YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THE WASHINGTON POST DIDN'T SAY BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF THE POLL WAS TO MAKE REPUBLICANS LOOK BAD. PROVE ME WRONG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,509 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 A Twitter thread giving details on the State of Georgia's response to Trump's laughable lawsuit: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1335420420758122498.html I tried reprinting here but the formatting messes up too much. Better to just click through and read. That Argo or anyone else for that matter would take this seriously is just mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 14 hours ago, Grumps said: They don't owe the Washington Post reporters anything. If I sent you some poll questions you wouldn't answer them because the answers are none of my business and because you know I might try to use your answers to make you look bad. I turn down requests to answer polls all of the time. I don't consider the polls to be worth my time and I don't know what will be done with the answers. My guess is that the people who received the poll questions feel the same way. HERE IS A QUESTION FOR YOU. HOW MANY DEMOCRATS RESPONDED TO THE SURVEY? ANSWER: YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THE WASHINGTON POST DIDN'T SAY BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF THE POLL WAS TO MAKE REPUBLICANS LOOK BAD. PROVE ME WRONG. Well if the purpose of the poll was to "make Republicans look bad" it certainly worked! No matter how you spin it, the majority of Republicans won't admit that Biden won the election, even if they know better. As a voter, that's important information regarding the current Republican party. All they had to do was answer the question - is Biden the president elect? All the spinning, excuse making and poo pooing rationalizations you are presenting simply puts you in the same category as them. It's anti-American and a threat to our democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps 3,704 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 9 hours ago, homersapien said: Well if the purpose of the poll was to "make Republicans look bad" it certainly worked! No matter how you spin it, the majority of Republicans won't admit that Biden won the election, even if they know better. As a voter, that's important information regarding the current Republican party. All they had to do was answer the question - is Biden the president elect? All the spinning, excuse making and poo pooing rationalizations you are presenting simply puts you in the same category as them. It's anti-American and a threat to our democracy. Do you disagree with this According to the article, 25 of 27 (92.59%) republicans who answered the question said that Biden won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps 3,704 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 9 hours ago, homersapien said: Well if the purpose of the poll was to "make Republicans look bad" it certainly worked! No matter how you spin it, the majority of Republicans won't admit that Biden won the election, even if they know better. As a voter, that's important information regarding the current Republican party. All they had to do was answer the question - is Biden the president elect? All the spinning, excuse making and poo pooing rationalizations you are presenting simply puts you in the same category as them. It's anti-American and a threat to our democracy. Put me into whatever category you want to. I think that Biden won the election. If the Washington Post asked me who I thought won I wouldn't answer their poll. Then they, and CNN would report that I won't admit that Biden won--because they are liars with an agenda. Did you ever come up with the answers to the poll question from democrats????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 10 hours ago, Grumps said: Put me into whatever category you want to. I think that Biden won the election. If the Washington Post asked me who I thought won I wouldn't answer their poll. Then they, and CNN would report that I won't admit that Biden won--because they are liars with an agenda. Did you ever come up with the answers to the poll question from democrats????? Yeah, that's a critical question huh? Polling Democrats and asking them if they think Biden won the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Trump asks Pennsylvania House speaker for help overturning election results, personally intervening in a third state President Trump called the speaker of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives twice during the past week to make an extraordinary request for help reversing his loss in the state, reflecting a broadening pressure campaign by the president and his allies to try to subvert the 2020 election result. The calls, confirmed by House Speaker Bryan Cutler’s office, make Pennsylvania the third state where Trump has directly attempted to overturn a result since he lost the election to former vice president Joe Biden. He previously reached out to Republicans in Michigan, and on Saturday he pressured Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) in a call to try to replace that state’s electors. The president’s outreach to Pennsylvania’s Republican House leader came after his campaign and its allies decisively lost numerous legal challenges in the state in both state and federal court. Trump has continued to press his baseless claims of widespread voting irregularities both publicly and privately. “The president said, ‘I’m hearing about all these issues in Philadelphia, and these issues with your law,’ ” said Cutler spokesman Michael Straub, describing the House speaker’s two conversations with Trump. “ ‘What can we do to fix it?’ ” A White House spokesman declined to comment on the calls to Cutler, and a Trump campaign spokesman did not respond to a request for comment....... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-pennsylvania-speaker-call/2020/12/07/d65fe8c4-38bf-11eb-98c4-25dc9f4987e8_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps 3,704 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 10 hours ago, homersapien said: Yeah, that's a critical question huh? Polling Democrats and asking them if they think Biden won the election. It's just as critical as polling the republicans. I knew you wouldn't answer the question, but I had to ask. Sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdefromtx 3,159 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Grumps said: It's just as critical as polling the republicans. I knew you wouldn't answer the question, but I had to ask. Sorry! Bob and weave, bob and weave, that’s what happens. Lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Another day, another flawed and totally meaningless poll to put in the pile of totally flawed and meaningless polls that all say the same thing. https://www.npr.org/2020/12/09/944385798/poll-just-a-quarter-of-republicans-accept-election-outcome?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20201209&utm_term=5013805&utm_campaign=breaking-news&utm_id=11344647&orgid=635 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 On 12/7/2020 at 10:02 PM, Grumps said: Do you disagree with this According to the article, 25 of 27 (92.59%) republicans who answered the question said that Biden won. Sure. 92% of a paltry 27 Republicans who had the nerve to answer the question agreed that Biden is president- elect. (That 2 (7.4%) of Republicans who did answer still think Trump is won is hardly something to be proud of.) Of course the point is 195 (87%) of Republicans refused to answer at all, either because they are afraid of Dear Leader or they actually believe Biden stole the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 20 hours ago, Grumps said: It's just as critical as polling the republicans. I knew you wouldn't answer the question, but I had to ask. Sorry! That's idiotic, as I am sure you know. Why would they poll Democrats? Challenging the election is coming from the Republican side. This poll was designed to research just how many rank and file Republicans actually believe Trump's assertions. From the results, we can perhaps estimate that maybe 3% believe Trump is the legitimate winner. But is also suggests that most Republicans by far are too afraid of Trump to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,423 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 14 hours ago, wdefromtx said: Bob and weave, bob and weave, that’s what happens. Lmao Yes, Grump is demonstrating some real moves in this thread. "Well, the poll is meaningless." "They were trying to make Republicans look bad." "They didn't ask Democrats." Nevertheless, I have addressed each one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 49 minutes ago, homersapien said: Yes, Grump is demonstrating some real moves in this thread. "Well, the poll is meaningless." "They were trying to make Republicans look bad." "They didn't ask Democrats." Nevertheless, I have addressed each one. Never mind the person you're responding to. Man, these folks are something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.