And the 2020 winner is ... dangerous distrust

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

9 hours ago, Grumps said:

Things can be comparable without being equivalent.

No one claimed to have pictures of Kavanaugh performing illegal activity. The same cannot be said for Hunter Biden. Do you think that accusations of Trump's son with his niece would have been discussed? You know that it would. And the liberals have any problem with it.

 

You're foolishly putting good faith into the claims of folks like Rudy Giuliani and Tucker Carlson.  Given all that we've seen from those guys, why would you give their claims the time of day without saying "put up or shut up"?

[McLoofus 35,182]

25 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

You're foolishly putting good faith into the claims of folks like Rudy Giuliani and Tucker Carlson.  Given all that we've seen from those guys, why would you give their claims the time of day without saying "put up or shut up"?

I know it's a rhetorical question, but in case he doesn't realize it himself- and I think there's a fighting chance he doesn't- it's because they're telling him what he wants to hear.

[McLoofus 35,182]

2 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

I know that and I'm glad you understand that, but she still suffers the public humiliation of it when people push the story.

Imagine the ways that the Q neckbeards are trying to get to her right now, and the ways in which they're trying to pressure her to "come forward". Guarantee you she's been insulted, sexually harassed and threatened with violence in ways we can't imagine. 

[DKW 86 7,438]

1 hour ago, McLoofus said:

Imagine the ways that the Q neckbeards are trying to get to her right now, and the ways in which they're trying to pressure her to "come forward". Guarantee you she's been insulted, sexually harassed and threatened with violence in ways we can't imagine. 

If the shoe were on the other foot, I AM SURE it would be just as bad. 
Folks we had 3 years of Hallucinated Masturbatory bull**** on Russiagate, nite after nite, day after day, hour after hour. 
We found out that there was something there, just short of nothing tho. Why couldnt we criticize Trump for bad policy, bad leadership, not being Presidential? All of that was fair and true. No, we had to go Jump the Shark 10,000X on Russiagate. 

We had Dems going after his minor son on tv and on the internet. They have hoisted rumors that his paternity is not known. That he had learning disabilities, etc. Tiffany? I read where Tiffany may have downs syndrome and/or that she is mentally ill. Rumors of a "therapist" coming forward. 

After the total s*** storm the DNC did in 2016 and 2020 over the Bernie Bros, I would put nothing past the Dems either. Of course, I see both sides and GD! We cant have that s*** being posted here.....Too much thinking going on! God Forbid someone not commit their souls to the talking points.

[homersapien 11,425]

2 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

You're foolishly putting good faith into the claims of folks like Rudy Giuliani and Tucker Carlson.  Given all that we've seen from those guys, why would you give their claims the time of day without saying "put up or shut up"?

MAGAs will swallow anything from anyone as long as it comports with their worldview.  It goes beyond gullibility, it's willful delusion.

[DKW 86 7,438]

2 minutes ago, homersapien said:

SOME DEMs will swallow anything from anyone as long as it comports with their worldview.  It goes beyond gullibility, it's willful delusion.

FTFY...

[homersapien 11,425]

20 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

First, I'm not a liberal.  I know it's hard for some to fathom that a pro-life, pro-family, orthodox Christian, who believes in traditional understandings of marriage and gender would dare criticize Republicans and would be more concerned with things he sees going wrong in his own tribe than in the other tribe, but it happens.  We exist.

I think - and sincerely hope - there's a lot more conservatives like you than we typically asume,  regardless of the 72 million who voted for him.  There's at least some evidence for that based on the opinion pieces I've seen from people like Michael Gerson, George Will, 

Second, I think Trumpism has been a cancer to conservatism and the GOP.  And while I'd love to believe that once Trump is out of office there will be a correction to historical norms, I think the cancer has a ways to go before it's excised from the party completely, if it ever does. We've had two election cycles worth of GOP House and Senate candidates who've made it into Congress based on platforms that amount to little more than how much better they'd be at French-kissing Trump's ass than the rest of the field.  It'll take some time to cycle those know-nothings out.  And hell, DJT is reportedly considering not showing up to the inauguration and instead holding an event of his own to announce he plans to run again in 4 years.  And you'd have to be crazy to think he wouldn't have an excellent chance to win the damn nomination again.

So while I'd love to feel assured we're all just going to "move on," I'm not really seeing a lot of evidence that's going to be the case just yet.  I hope I'm wrong.

I think - and sincerely hope - there's a lot more conservatives like you than we might all assume,  regardless of the 72 million who voted for him - at least the many essays and opinion pieces I've read from people like George Will, Michael Gerson, Max Moot, and similar columnists would suggest.  And then there are sites like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_opposed_the_Donald_Trump_2020_presidential_campaign

Bottom line, I think your assessment of Trump as a cancer on conservatism and the GOP is spot on.  I also think you are correct in that "Trumpism" is not going to fade quickly, if at all.

How the republican party deals with in the next few years is the question, especially if Trump runs in 2024.   

[homersapien 11,425]

16 hours ago, wdefromtx said:

Careful, you will upset the snowflakes by saying both parties are practically the same. 

That's his basic schtick - political nihilism.

[homersapien 11,425]

4 hours ago, McLoofus said:

Imagine the ways that the Q neckbeards are trying to get to her right now, and the ways in which they're trying to pressure her to "come forward". Guarantee you she's been insulted, sexually harassed and threatened with violence in ways we can't imagine. 

And that's exactly why Dub "went off the rails"  when people on this forum deliberately gave it credence when it didn't deserve it. That has consequences.

Dub has daughters of similar ages and his response was personal and completely understandable.  It's the objects of that response who apparently don't have a clue.

[McLoofus 35,182]

20 minutes ago, homersapien said:

And that's exactly why Dub "went off the rails"  when people on this forum deliberately gave it credence when it didn't deserve it. That has consequences.

Dub has daughters of similar ages and his response was personal and completely understandable.  It's the objects of that response who apparently don't have a clue.

I certainly understand him being tired of the low bar. 

But hey, what do we know. Just a couple of name calling snowflakes. 

[DKW 86 7,438]

Dub went off the rails about a rape accusation on HB concerning his Niece. I can say I never actually saw that. I saw an accusation of groping by Hallie, the widowed SIL that he shacked up with for about two years, until she found out that at 50ish he had father yet another child by a stripper while sharing a bed with Hallie. (The Strippers kid was born November of 2018. Therefore Fathered in January of 2018.) I wouldnt doubt for a minute Hallie stirring the pot after finding out that he was with a stripper while living with her 2016-2018 when news of the baby came up. He divorced first wife Kathryn in 2017. The divorce cataloged Biden leaving the family broke chasing drugs, hookers, strippers, his Ashley Madison Account, and giving presents to his other girlfriends. 

[wdefromtx 3,159]

6 hours ago, homersapien said:

MAGAs will swallow anything from anyone as long as it comports with their worldview.  It goes beyond gullibility, it's willful delusion.

Pot meet kettle....

[Grumps 3,704]

10 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

You're foolishly putting good faith into the claims of folks like Rudy Giuliani and Tucker Carlson.  Given all that we've seen from those guys, why would you give their claims the time of day without saying "put up or shut up"?

On what do you base that I am putting any faith whatsoever in their claims? You are making my point better than I am. With a claim of pictures you can say "put up or shut up." With "She said" vs. "He said" you can't do that. Therefore, with the claims of pictures it should be easy to determine whether they are making it up or not.

I don't have strong feelings either way about the information on the alleged Hunter Biden laptop. My point was that people going bonkers about the article being posted are not treating all innocent children the same.

[ArgoEagle 1,793]

The night that the lights went out in Georgia was exposed on indisputable video tape today. You want evidence. You got evidence.

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

3 hours ago, Grumps said:

On what do you base that I am putting any faith whatsoever in their claims? You are making my point better than I am. With a claim of pictures you can say "put up or shut up." With "She said" vs. " said" you can't do that. Therefore, with the claims of pictures it should be easy to determine whether they are making it up or not.

Yeah, you didn't make this clear at all in your original post.

[ShocksMyBrain 9,368]

3 hours ago, ArgoEagle said:

The night that the lights went out in Georgia was exposed on indisputable video tape today. You want evidence. You got evidence.

Do what now?

[TexasTiger 12,993]

4 hours ago, ArgoEagle said:

The night that the lights went out in Georgia was exposed on indisputable video tape today. You want evidence. You got evidence.

 

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

58 minutes ago, ShocksMyBrain said:

Do what now?

Something, something, Kraken......it's hard to keep straight anymore.

[ShocksMyBrain 9,368]

10 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

Something, something, Kraken......it's hard to keep straight anymore.

I must consult the QAnon Scripture. 

[TitanTiger 20,509]

4 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

Something, something, Kraken......it's hard to keep straight anymore.

TrumpTwitter is all abuzz about a "smoking gun" video allegedly showing workers who stayed behind after all the poll workers were told to go home for the night around 10:30pm pulling "suitcases" of ballots out from under a table and scanning them in until about 1am.  

Then again, you can take almost any video and suggest nefarious things about it if that's what you go in assuming.  Investigating it reveals something different:

Fact Check: Video From Georgia Does NOT Show Suitcases Filled With Ballots Suspiciously Pulled From Under A Table; Poll Watchers Were NOT Told To Leave

Dec 3, 2020  by: Hallie Golden

Not Suspicious

By Alan Duke and Hallie Golden

Does security camera video show a Fulton County, Georgia, election supervisor suspiciously pulling suitcases filled with ballots from under a table after telling poll workers to leave the room? And did that election official continue to illegally count ballots without required monitors in a manner that calls into question Joe Biden's narrow win over Donald Trump in Georgia? No, those claim are not true: Two high-level officials with the Georgia secretary of state's office and a state elections board monitor each told Lead Stories that their investigations revealed nothing suspicious in the video. The officials said the ballots seen in the video were in regular ballot containers -- not suitcases -- and they had been removed from their envelopes and processed while news media and election observers for the Republican Party and Trump campaign were present. The media and party observers were never told to leave because counting was over for the night, but they apparently followed workers who left once their job of opening envelopes was completed, the chief investigator for the secretary of state told Lead Stories. The observers were free to return at anytime, she said. Georgia law allows observers, but does not require them to be there for ballots to be counted, she said.

The claims made at a Georgia state senate hearing by a Trump lawyer appeared in a video posted on YouTube on December 3, 2020, BY Trump's campaign titled "Video from GA shows suitcases filled with ballots pulled from under a table AFTER poll workers left" (archived here). The video description read:

WATCH: Video footage from #Georgia shows suitcases filled with ballots pulled from under a table AFTER supervisors told poll workers to leave room and 4 people stayed behind to keep counting votes

Click below to watch the video on YouTube:

 

The Epoch Times reported the false claims in an article titled Georgia State Farm Arena Footage Shows Poll Workers Staying Behind, Pulling Out Suitcases With Ballots published on December 3, 2020. It opened:

President Donald Trump's legal team on Thursday presented surveillance footage to a Georgia State Legislature hearing that appears to show election ballot-counting workers kicking out poll observers late at night on Election Day before pulling out suitcases allegedly filled with ballots.

A woman who identified herself as Jackie Pick, a lawyer who is assisting with their legal case, said the team received video footage from State Farm Arena's vote-tabulation center in Fulton County, Georgia. The team said that GOP poll watchers were not allowed to watch the counting process in the poll center.

But, according to Pick, an unusual occurrence took place later in the evening at around 10 p.m. ET. A woman--described as a blonde woman with braids--told workers to stop counting and told everyone to go home.

"Everyone clears out, including the Republican observers and the press, but four people stay behind and continue counting and tabulating well into the night," Pick said. They counted unobserved until about 1 a.m.

Gabriel Sterling, a Republican and Georgia's voting system implementation manager, told Lead Stories during a phone call on December 3, 2020 that what can be seen on the video is normal procedure and nothing looks "bizarre or odd."

Election workers known as "cutters" because their job was to open absentee ballot envelopes and verify ballots for eventual scanning and counting were dismissed for the night sometime after 10 p.m. on November 3, 2020, because their work for the evening had been completed, he explained. Those workers who remained were responsible for conducting the scanning portion of the process, since ballots could not be left without being scanned overnight. He said:

If you look at the video tape, the work you see is the work you would expect, which is you take the sealed suitcase looking things in, you place the ballots on the scanner in manageable batches and you scan them.

Frances Watson, chief investigator for the Georgia secretary of state, told Lead Stories during a phone call on December 3, 2020, that the ballots were in standard containers, and the work during the time in question had nothing to do with pulling ballots from under a table. She said:

There wasn't a bin that had ballots in it under that table. It was an empty bin and the ballots from it were actually out on the table when the media were still there, and then it was placed back into the box when the media were still there and placed next to the table.

There was never an announcement made to the media and other observers about the counting being over for the night and them needing to leave, according to Watson, who was provided information by the media liaison, who was present. She said they just followed the "cutters" as they left.

She said:

Nobody told them to stay. Nobody told them to leave. Nobody gave them any advice on what they should do. And It was still open for them or the public to come back in to view at whatever time they wanted to, as long as they were still working.

In addition, she explained that the only ballots that were scanned after the media and other observers had left were those that had already been opened in front of these observers.

Contrary to the claim, the ballots were not in suitcases, she said. The black boxes and bins seen in the video are the standard container used for the ballot counting process.

A state election board monitor, who asked for his name not to be used due to safety concerns, told Lead Stories on the phone on December 3, 2020, that he was present at the vote counting location beginning at 11:52 p.m., after leaving briefly at earlier in the evening. He then stayed until about 12:45 a.m., when the work that night was completed.

The deputy chief investigator for the secretary of state's office was present beginning at 12:15 a.m. November 4, he said.

The election monitor also told Lead Stories that between 8 p.m. on November 3, 2020, and 12:43 a.m. on November 4, 2020, the scanners had scanned about 10,000 ballots.

According to the Georgia Secretary of State's office, Biden received 2,474,507 votes, while Trump received 2,461,837 -- a winning margin of 12,670 votes for Biden. In other words, the votes counted during this period would not have changed the results of this election even if they all were switched from Trump to Biden.

Sterling said when he looked at the results, "there was nothing abnormal in the distribution of votes."

Section § 21-2-408 of the Code Of Georgia, which addresses poll watchers, explains that political bodies and parties are "entitled" to have official poll watchers. The secretary of state's chief counsel told Lead Stories it was not a requirement that observers be present for counting to continue -- only that it is their right to be there is they choose.

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/12/fact-check-video-from-ga-does-not-show-suitcases-filled-with-ballots-pulled-from-under-a-table-after-poll-workers-dismissed.html

[McLoofus 35,182]

Instead of being a useless bottom feeding troll here to call Dems names and whine about... name calling... somebody might want to explain to us again about how dumbass trumpers have moved on from the election.

[ArgoEagle 1,793]

6 hours ago, ShocksMyBrain said:

Do what now?

Turn your TV on a real news channel, or Google it or whatever you do and you'll see it.

[TitanTiger 20,509]

7 hours ago, ShocksMyBrain said:

Do what now?

 

[bigbird 60,578]

18 hours ago, McLoofus said:

Just a couple of name calling snowflakes. 

 

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

1 hour ago, ArgoEagle said:

Turn your TV on a real news channel, or Google it or whatever you do and you'll see it.

LOL!  I'll just drop this here from the Republican voting implementation  manager for the state of GA.

But tell me more about your "real news".