DAG 33,983 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 41 minutes ago, Quietmaninthecorner said: Just being given the opportunity should be enough. I'd give my house to have the physical ability play organized football or even backyard football again. I loved that shi7! If I was 50 years younger and actually had talent there is nothing that could stop me from playing. Organized, backyard, what they now call " kill the man with the ball"... coach, no coach, good or bad coach. It doesn't matter. Playing football is just Fing fun! Play every game you can while you are young. Youth is fleeting. Yeah but I highly doubt you have ever been close to being an NFL prospect. A little bit different when your body is an investment. You are talking about organized backyard football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietmaninthecorner 1,945 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, DAG said: Yeah but I highly doubt you have ever been close to being an NFL prospect. A little bit different when your body is an investment. You are talking about organized backyard football No doubt about it. Then again, my lack of talent and skills unfairly kept me from getting a scholarship, wining the Heisman and going pro. LOL I still can not imagine a world where you would be given a chance to play and refuse it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,983 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Quietmaninthecorner said: No doubt about it. Then again, my lack of talent and skills unfairly kept me from getting a scholarship, wining the Heisman and going pro. LOL I still can not imagine a world where you would be given a chance to play and refuse it. Exactly . Because you are thinking from a mindset of someone who never had the opportunity to use their skill set as an investment for millions. No different than the fans who say “ why doesn’t Phil Knight just outbid everyone else.” He didn’t get to where he got to by making wise decisions. If you never had a million dollars, it’s easy to say what you would do if you were worth several hundred million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 "It was like this for me decades ago, under vastly different conditions, and in no way resembling the circumstances surrounding a college football player participating in a bowl game in 2020. But it was like this for me, so it should be like this for these players, too. What I think is what everyone else should think, especially kids with completely different concerns than mine and about whom I know almost nothing. I see no reason to spend even 5 seconds considering the criteria that go into their decisions, which are assuredly foreign to me as I've never even been in their area code, much less been in their shoes. To all my fellow judgmental old white men, feel free to just copy and paste that. It's the same thing many of you are saying, except more honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietmaninthecorner 1,945 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, DAG said: Exactly . Because you are thinking from a mindset of someone who never had the opportunity to use their skill set as an investment for millions. No different than the fans who say “ why doesn’t Phil Knight just outbid everyone else.” He didn’t get to where he got to by making wise decisions. If you never had a million dollars, it’s easy to say what you would do if you were worth several hundred million My talents were not football related. I had to take many risks to get to where I am today. Some paid off some failed. My risks were not physical or worth millions, but often times "life changing" money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,601 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, DAG said: Exactly . Because you are thinking from a mindset of someone who never had the opportunity to use their skill set as an investment for millions. I think most football players would want to play football, until their handlers talk them into becoming investors. Trask is a football player first and a future millionaire second, he played last night. His teammates who left the Gators hung out to dry have become investors. My respect goes to the football players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietmaninthecorner 1,945 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, McLoofus said: "It was like this for me decades ago, under vastly different conditions, and in no way resembling the circumstances surrounding a college football player participating in a bowl game in 2020. But it was like this for me, so it should be like this for these players, too. What I think is what everyone else should think, especially kids with completely different concerns than mine and about whom I know almost nothing. I see no reason to spend even 5 seconds considering the criteria that go into their decisions, which are assuredly foreign to me as I've never even been in their area code, much less been in their shoes. To all my fellow judgmental old white men, feel free to just copy and paste that. It's the same thing many of you are saying, except more honest. I am not sure where you are going with this. I don't see anyone saying others should think like they do. It is just a bunch of people discussing their opinions and providing different perspectives. I enjoy the different perspectives. They can be enlightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,983 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Quietmaninthecorner said: My talents were not football related. I had to take many risks to get to where I am today. Some paid off some failed. My risks were not physical or worth millions, but often times "life changing" money. It wasn’t about money. That was just an example. It is easy to say what you would’ve done if you never ever been in those positions. It’s easy for someone who never was even offered a scholarship to say “ I can’t see why someone would refuse to play, etc, etc.” but some of these young men who have been studs since their youth , who’ve had numerous of scholarship offers, probably even threw away the offers they don’t even care about, probably realized long ago they have a unique skill set that sets them apart from the rest and they need to maximize every effort to use that ability to put them in power positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,983 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mikey said: I think most football players would want to play football, until their handlers talk them into becoming investors. Trask is a football player first and a future millionaire second, he played last night. His teammates who left the Gators hung out to dry have become investors. My respect goes to the football players. Most of these athletes who group up poor realize way before anyone else that their skill set is an investment and therefore going to use it like that. I doubt they care for your respect . You are going to watch them regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,601 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, DAG said: Most of these athletes who group up poor realize way before anyone else that their skill set is an investment and therefore going to use it like that. I doubt they care for your respect . You are going to watch them regardless. Certainly they don't care about my respect, but they don't have it nonetheless. I can't imagine being on a team, being a key part, and deserting my team because I can make just as much money by going home and hanging out. It's a character issue and anyone who would do that to his fellow players, coaches and the school that made his situation possible is sadly lacking in character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, Quietmaninthecorner said: I am not sure where you are going with this. I don't see anyone saying others should think like they do. It is just a bunch of people discussing their opinions and providing different perspectives. I enjoy the different perspectives. They can be enlightening. Change "should be" to "would be for me"- which, to be fair, is the perspective from which most of your thoughts have come- and there's no issue. As for others, oh, there's been plenty of opinions shared as indictments in this thread. Happens year after year in almost every discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALTORTiger 56 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 No one to my knowledge has said so ITT, but it's time to thank Sandberg for his time and encourage him to do something else. Possibly Loy too. They're taking up space. As far as the RB room, losing Goodwin is probably the biggest loss in a while considering that MAR is leaving. FWIW, I thought he looked OK, but even based on what I saw, he was never going to be a difference maker at Auburn or in the SEC. He's a Conference USA type player, IMO. Shivers if used correctly could have been more than we got out of him. I'm in the minority of AU fans but I don't think DJ Williams is high SEC level, either. RB is an absolute mess right now. Have to hope for a very talented transfer, IMO. Maybe a small school guy that tore it up looking for the challenge of the SEC. All those TEs are a waste. Luke Deal should have been groomed for OT from Day 1 especially after he got hurt. Gus' actual biggest failure is he seemingly had no idea how to manage a roster. Zero. None. It's like they never even thought about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietmaninthecorner 1,945 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, McLoofus said: Change "should be" to "would be for me"- which, to be fair, is the perspective from which most of your thoughts have come- and there's no issue. As for others, oh, there's been plenty of opinions shared as indictments in this thread. Happens year after year in almost every discussion. It's all good to me. I don't mean to offend anyone, and apologize if I have. I do not take offense to anything said here. I see the debating as "sparring". We are all family here. Maybe a bit dysfunctional at times. LOL To me, arguments amongst ourselves are just practice for when we have to deal with bammers or local team fans in other states. WDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abw0004 10,113 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Let me pose this question to you all since we are referring to players sitting out: Say legislation passes that allows colleges to pay athletes to play for their program. Now that these players have been paid to play for the season, are they allowed to still opt out having received money to play that game? If they can opt out, do they have to refund the university the money? If they transfer, do they have to refund the university? Just a thought and I was curious of your opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddc 13,194 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, abw0004 said: Let me pose this question to you all since we are referring to players sitting out: Say legislation passes that allows colleges to pay athletes to play for their program. Now that these players have been paid to play for the season, are they allowed to still opt out having received money to play that game? If they can opt out, do they have to refund the university the money? If they transfer, do they have to refund the university? Just a thought and I was curious of your opinions. Pay them after the work is done, like most any other wage, and you eliminate this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, Quietmaninthecorner said: It's all good to me. I don't mean to offend anyone, and apologize if I have. I do not take offense to anything said here. I see the debating as "sparring". We are all family here. Maybe a bit dysfunctional at times. LOL To me, arguments amongst ourselves are just practice for when we have to deal with bammers or local team fans in other states. WDE I genuinely appreciate your attitude and honestly wish I was as laid back myself. But there are a couple things I can't let go- again, I know it's a personal failing- and one of them is when I perceive people to be judging the players on a personal level for their decisions when they are ignorant to the circumstances around and real world repercussions of those decisions. And some do it very flippantly and blatantly and in the process expose their own extremely low character. But I do not have you confused for one of those types. WDE back at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietmaninthecorner 1,945 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, abw0004 said: Let me pose this question to you all since we are referring to players sitting out: Say legislation passes that allows colleges to pay athletes to play for their program. Now that these players have been paid to play for the season, are they allowed to still opt out having received money to play that game? If they can opt out, do they have to refund the university the money? If they transfer, do they have to refund the university? Just a thought and I was curious of your opinions. That may start a contractual obligation to play. If Adidas, Underoos or PlayStation are going to pay you for the likeness of your image.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeek 16,650 Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/24/2020 at 10:07 PM, Zeek said: Coaching Staff (Previous--->New) HC | Gus Malzahn ---> Bryan Harsin OC | Chad Morris ---> QB | Chad Morris ---> RB | Carnell Williams ---> WR | Kodi Burns ---> TE-HB | Larry Porter ---> OL | Jack Bicknell Jr. ---> ------------------------------- DC | Kevin Steele ---> DL | Rodney Garner ---> LB | Travis Williams ---> DB | Wesley McGriff ---> D Analyst | Al Pogue ---> ------------------------------- ST | Larry Porter ---> SC | Ryan Russell ---> Players (not projecting only marking players as leaving once it's confirmed) Quarterbacks (5->6) Bo Nix Grant Loy Cord Sandberg Chayil Garnett Dematrius Davis Sawyer Pate Running Backs (5->2) Tank Bigsby DJ Williams Wide Receivers (11->11) Seth Williams Eli Stove Kobe Hudson Ja'Varrius Johnson Shedrick Jackson Malcolm Johnson Jr Elijah Canion Caylin Newton Ze'vian Capers JJ Evans Hal Presley Tight Ends & HBacks (5->7) JJ Pegues Brandon Frazier Luke Deal Tyler Fromm John Samuel Shenker Landen King Grant Calcaterra Offensive Linemen (15->15) Jalil Irvin Nick Brahms Tate Johnson Brenden Coffey Tashawn Manning Avery Jernigan Keiondre Jones Brodarious Hamm Kameron Stutts Alec Jackson Austin Troxell Brandon Council Prince Micheal Sammons Kilian Zierer Kamaar Bell Garner Langlo ------------------------------- Defensive Linemen & Buck (15->19) Colby Wooden Derick Hall Romello Height TD Moultry Big Kat Bryant Zykeivous Walker Jay Hardy Caleb Johnson Daniel Foster-Allen Jaren Handy Daquan Newkirk Dre Butler Jeremiah Wright Marquis Burks Tyrone Truesdell Lee Hunter Marquis Robinson Tobechi Okoli Ian Matthews Coynis Miller Linebackers (10->7) Owen Pappoe Zakoby McClain Desmond Tisdol Chandler Wooten Wesley Steiner Cam Riley Kameron Brown Defensive Backs (15->15) Chris Thompson Jr Christian Tutt Devan Barrett Ladarius Tennison Nehemiah Pritchett Jordyn Peters Malcolm Askew Marco Domio Smoke Monday Eric Reed Jr Zion Puckett Jaylin Simpson Ahmari Harvey Kamal Hadden Armani Diamond Matthew Hill ------------------------------- Kicker Anders Carlson Punter Ian Marshall Oscar Chapman Will clean this up when I'm on the laptop Removed McCreary, Sherwood, Worm, and Schwartz. Will add them back if something changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodford 3,655 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 11:54 AM, McLoofus said: "It was like this for me decades ago, under vastly different conditions, and in no way resembling the circumstances surrounding a college football player participating in a bowl game in 2020. But it was like this for me, so it should be like this for these players, too. What I think is what everyone else should think, especially kids with completely different concerns than mine and about whom I know almost nothing. I see no reason to spend even 5 seconds considering the criteria that go into their decisions, which are assuredly foreign to me as I've never even been in their area code, much less been in their shoes. To all my fellow judgmental old white men, feel free to just copy and paste that. It's the same thing many of you are saying, except more honest. “These players can do whatever they want, but you, white guy, can’t have an opinion that differs from theirs.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,456 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, woodford said: “These players can do whatever they want, but you, white guy, can’t have an opinion that differs from theirs.” Bingo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
au701948 998 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 12:34 PM, abw0004 said: Let me pose this question to you all since we are referring to players sitting out: Say legislation passes that allows colleges to pay athletes to play for their program. Now that these players have been paid to play for the season, are they allowed to still opt out having received money to play that game? If they can opt out, do they have to refund the university the money? If they transfer, do they have to refund the university? Just a thought and I was curious of your opinions. I genuinely believe that if players begin to receive stipends/money on top of scholarships, the question of being allowed to opt in or out would be a definitive part of that “employment agreement”. That is exactly what it then becomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, woodford said: “These players can do whatever they want, but you, white guy, can’t have an opinion that differs from theirs.” 26 minutes ago, WarTim said: Bingo!!! You're clowns. No problem having a different opinion. But you're a jackass if you judge these kids' character based on whether or not they choose to play in this bowl game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
au701948 998 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Good reason we did not need Steele as our Head Coach. He hasn’t shown me anything today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle79 3,569 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 7:01 PM, AuburnNTexas said: If Harsin were coaching this game that would matter. The real question is between the zoom session and any of the other talks he has had with the players if that will fire them up. Unfortunately, you can't wipe out 8 years of doing it the wrong way with one zoom meeting and a few texts. But I'm sure Harsin will see some things by how these guys approach and handle the game today. And I couldn't give a rat's rear end whether they decide to opt in or opt out, except if you opt out, you're done at Auburn unless it was for a LEGITIMATE health concern reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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