I figured that no one here would be discussing the incident on the Montgomery Docks...

[1716AU 732]

Alabama being Alabama

[AuCivilEng1 11,045]

I just read about this. The guy who swam across the water to help is a superhero. Lol

[AUFAN78 3,943]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/08/07/montgomery-alabama-riverfront-brawl-video-explained/

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

Riverboat dock worker escalated things by trying to move the boat. He didn't just ask them to move it, he umoored it from the dock and it actually moved and bumped another boat at the dock. That's what started things. He didn't deserve to be gang assaulted and the people that attacked him should be prosecuted but you also don't put your hands on someone else's property. He completely mishandled the situation. He's not completely innocent like Montgomery mayor Steven Reed tried to portray in his first statements that he was just "doing his job". Unless you're a police officer you're not legally authorized to move a vehicle or vessel that doesn't belong to you.

[TexasTiger 13,130]

World-wide news! Made the BBC!

[CoffeeTiger 5,227]

9 hours ago, Auburnfan91 said:

Riverboat dock worker escalated things by trying to move the boat. He didn't just ask them to move it, he umoored it from the dock and it actually moved and bumped another boat at the dock. That's what started things. He didn't deserve to be gang assaulted and the people that attacked him should be prosecuted but you also don't put your hands on someone else's property. He completely mishandled the situation. He's not completely innocent like Montgomery mayor Steven Reed tried to portray in his first statements that he was just "doing his job". Unless you're a police officer you're not legally authorized to move a vehicle or vessel that doesn't belong to you.

 

How do we know they weren't asked to move or were not being antagonistic themselves? The limited info I've seen just says that they were blocking another boat, and the dock worker was trying to clear the way. The boaters actions also seem to indicate that they were not the most reasonable people on earth at that time. 

 

In any case. 

Touch a boat? 

Try that in a small town 

 

[TexasTiger 13,130]

10 hours ago, Auburnfan91 said:

Riverboat dock worker escalated things by trying to move the boat. He didn't just ask them to move it, he umoored it from the dock and it actually moved and bumped another boat at the dock. That's what started things. He didn't deserve to be gang assaulted and the people that attacked him should be prosecuted but you also don't put your hands on someone else's property. He completely mishandled the situation. He's not completely innocent like Montgomery mayor Steven Reed tried to portray in his first statements that he was just "doing his job". Unless you're a police officer you're not legally authorized to move a vehicle or vessel that doesn't belong to you.

Is there a point where by using the dock you agree to certain conditions and if you refuse to let another boat dock the dock worker has that authority? Does the dock really have to wait for a court order? Seems the functionality of the dock requires the boat owner give up some absolute rights as a condition of using a dock they don’t have property rights to.

[I_M4_AU 8,054]

Since this is in the smack talk forum; we haven’t lost our sense of humor:

 

 

[aubaseball 2,673]

2 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

How do we know they weren't asked to move or were not being antagonistic themselves? The limited info I've seen just says that they were blocking another boat, and the dock worker was trying to clear the way. The boaters actions also seem to indicate that they were not the most reasonable people on earth at that time. 

 

In any case. 

Touch a boat? 

Try that in a small town 

 

Says the guy who wasn’t involved and knows nothing about what happened.   It did happen in a small town and you saw what happens when you touch someone else’s property.   

[arein0 983]

21 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

Says the guy who wasn’t involved and knows nothing about what happened.   It did happen in a small town and you saw what happens when you touch someone else’s property.   

Were you involved?

[AUFAN78 3,943]

12 hours ago, Auburnfan91 said:

Riverboat dock worker escalated things by trying to move the boat. He didn't just ask them to move it, he umoored it from the dock and it actually moved and bumped another boat at the dock. That's what started things. He didn't deserve to be gang assaulted and the people that attacked him should be prosecuted but you also don't put your hands on someone else's property. He completely mishandled the situation. He's not completely innocent like Montgomery mayor Steven Reed tried to portray in his first statements that he was just "doing his job". Unless you're a police officer you're not legally authorized to move a vehicle or vessel that doesn't belong to you.

I think there may be a bit more to the story. We'll know in due time.

Rumor has it the dock worker told them they couldn't dock at that location and they basically told him to f off. Alcohol and adrenaline.

When the party cruise arrived to dock the dock attendant moved the boat a few feet forward and yes it may have slightly touched another boat,  but that's a consequence of not following instruction. Alcohol and adrenaline.

In no way should they have attacked this attendant. Alcohol and adrenaline. Charge them with assault period. The attendant defended himself. Innocent.

The incident later escalated as bystanders became involved fueled by the emotion of the prior incident. Unfortunately chairs were used as weapons and I suspect a couple of those people will be charged with assault as well and rightfully so. 

The entire incident was unfortunate and fueled initially by alcohol and adrenaline, based on limited reporting.  

More to come...

[CoffeeTiger 5,227]

1 hour ago, arein0 said:

Were you involved?

@aubaseball's lawyer has advised that he not answer this question. 

 

 

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Edited August 8, 2023 by CoffeeTiger

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

2 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Is there a point where by using the dock you agree to certain conditions and if you refuse to let another boat dock the dock worker has that authority? Does the dock really have to wait for a court order? Seems the functionality of the dock requires the boat owner give up some absolute rights as a condition of using a dock they don’t have property rights to.

Can security guards(non-police) at a store go out and open unlocked car doors and search someone's car if they're parked in a wrong spot? You know the stores usually pay for the land the parking lots are on.

[CoffeeTiger 5,227]

5 minutes ago, Auburnfan91 said:

Can security guards(non-police) at a store go out and open unlocked car doors and search someone's car if they're parked in a wrong spot? You know the stores usually pay for the land the parking lots are on.

They'd call a tow truck (non-police) who will come and touch, move, and/or tow away the improperly parked vehicle with or without the owners permission or consent. 

 

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

Just now, CoffeeTiger said:

They'd call a tow truck (non-police) who will come and touch, move, and/or tow away the improperly parked vehicle with or without the owners permission or consent. 

 

So why did the dock worker not wait until police got there so they could get the people to move the boat instead of taking it upon himself to move the boat and escalate things?

[CoffeeTiger 5,227]

1 minute ago, Auburnfan91 said:

So why did the dock worker not wait until police got there so they could get the people to move the boat instead of taking it upon himself to move the boat and escalate things?

 I guess we'll just have to wait and see how far the defense of "well....He touched my boat" goes for these men at their court dates. 

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

1 minute ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 I guess we'll just have to wait and see how far the defense of "well....He touched my boat" goes for these men at their court dates. 

Just because the dock worker may not face legal consequences doesn't mean the dock worker didn't escalate things or handled the situation appropriately.

[TexasTiger 13,130]

34 minutes ago, Auburnfan91 said:

Can security guards(non-police) at a store go out and open unlocked car doors and search someone's car if they're parked in a wrong spot? You know the stores usually pay for the land the parking lots are on.

Don’t understand your analogy. They can tow cars preventing other customers from parking.

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

The same one's defending the dock workers actions are the same one's in almost every other instance support the policy of employees not confronting people that are doing something wrong yet in this instance they think the dock worker handled things appropriately and didn't escalate things.

[CoffeeTiger 5,227]

Just now, Auburnfan91 said:

Just because the dock worker may not face legal consequences doesn't mean the dock worker didn't escalate things or handled the situation appropriately.

 

Also doesn't mean that the dock worker holds any blame for being gang assaulted. 

If someone cuts in front of you on the road but no contact is made, and you lay on your horn.... and then they stop and get out with a baseball bat and start swinging at you, someone could say that you honking your horn for several seconds was a needless escalation of the situation and that you share blame for their illegal actions, which is ridiculous, but its similar to what you're saying.

If the dock worker did something wrong and against policy then his job should discipline him or even fire him, but that gives absolutely 0% justification for the mens violent actions towards him. 

 

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

1 minute ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

Also doesn't mean that the dock worker holds any blame for being gang assaulted. 

If someone cuts in front of you on the road but no contact is made, and you lay on your horn.... and then they stop and get out with a baseball bat and start swinging at you, someone could say that you honking your horn for several seconds was a needless escalation of the situation and that you share blame for their illegal actions, which is ridiculous, but its similar to what you're saying.

If the dock worker did something wrong and against policy then his job should discipline him or even fire him, but that gives absolutely 0% justification for the mens violent actions towards him. 

 

You can see this coming from a mile away. They're not going to do anything to the dock worker. The media are trying to make this a race incident instead of looking at how things escalated because they don't see anything else but race about this.

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

Even if there is a policy, it's not going to matter. The media narrative is set. If they tried to discipline the dock worker that would just create more noise.

Circle K employees can't stop someone front coming across the counter and taking cigarettes but this dock worker can just go and untie a boat from the dock even though the city doesn't own all the boats.

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/3-charged-assault-alabama-riverfront-melee-bias-charges/story?id=102098382

 

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

https://www.al.com/news/2023/08/montgomery-riverfront-brawl-watch-live-as-police-provide-update.html

Going to be interesting if they don't charge the black guy that used a chair to attack a white woman who did nothing to him.

[aubaseball 2,673]

2 hours ago, arein0 said:

Were you involved?

Nope.   Were you?