Shooting Percentage

[JuscAUse! 1,410]

I am not about to go to the game thread at this point , down by 9 with 6 minutes or so to go , but I have to post this one. Please don't post if you're just pissed at the game. I get that but this isn't that thread. 

I have never seen a team where the disparity in the shooting percentage is this wide in my life. We are either on fire or we miss everything. Dunks, layups, short jumpers, wide open threes, anything and everything. I don't even remember a Rec league or church league team that was this schizophrenic when it comes to shooting the ball. I understand bad shooting teams, and good shooting teams, but FGS how can EVERYONE miss in the same game? Anybody got an answer? I understand an off game, but I've followed basketball for 6 decades. I can't remember this sort of thing ever. 

Edited February 18 by JuscAUse!

[Jgarrett7 957]

20 minutes ago, JuscAUse! said:

I am not about to go to the game thread at this point , down by 9 with 6 minutes or so to go , but I have to post this one. Please don't post if you're just pissed at the game. I get that but this isn't that thread. 

I have never seen a team where the disparity in the shooting percentage is this wide in my life. We are either on fire or we miss everything. Dunks, layups, short jumpers, wide open threes, anything and everything. I don't even remember a Rec league or church league team that was this schizophrenic when it comes to shooting the ball. I understand bad shooting teams, and good shooting teams, but FGS how can EVERYONE miss in the same game? Anybody got an answer? I love my team and believe that BP is the best ever. We couldn't ask for a better coach or ambassador for AU. But I've followed basketball for 6 decades. I can't remember this sort of thing ever. 

Was just trying to express this sentiment to a friend who’s losing his mind again over another loss. 

[JuscAUse! 1,410]

2 minutes ago, Jgarrett7 said:

Was just trying to express this sentiment to a friend who’s losing his mind again over another loss. 

Yes. We have players that go from shooting like Steph Curry and Larry Bird to .....I can't even think of a comparison. It beats all I've ever seen.

[Jgarrett7 957]

2 minutes ago, JuscAUse! said:

Yes. We have players that go from shooting like Steph Curry and Larry Bird to .....I can't even think of a comparison. It beats all I've ever seen.

Yeah, it is frustrating. If we just have an ok kind of performance against uk and bama at Coleman we probably win both games. What I said to my friend is we’re a very hot and cold team. It’s weird, on the bad nights you just keep thinking a streak is gonna come where we go on a run but it just never develops. Or we get some weird momentum breaker like the injuries tonight, or missed foul call. Guess it like Eminem says “ when it’s going good it’s going great, when it’s bad it’s awful “

[SumterAubie 3,031]

And to compound the poor shooting is the poor decision making. AKA stupid ass plays

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,669]

One problem is that we have a lot more "specialists" than alot of our peers do. Like Donaldson does "this", Holloway does "this". Jaylin is inconsistent but he's on paper diverse. Broome can do alot in specific matchups. Bama, Tenn, UK, Ark these previous years, these teams don't have as many dudes only above average at one skill or what have you. That combined with a more or less freelance offense (with some occasional sets).

That's why we put up so many poopers when we're just air balling shots.

[JuscAUse! 1,410]

Might be something to that. But I still think we have 3-4 really good shooters and it's unreal to me how they can all go cold at the same time in multiple games. Some of it  might be defense, but we miss wide open looks with our best shooters. Hell, it leaks over to free throws. I don't know that I've ever seen this before. Usually one of the shooters would have a good night even in a loss. 

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,669]

1 hour ago, JuscAUse! said:

Might be something to that. But I still think we have 3-4 really good shooters and it's unreal to me how they can all go cold at the same time in multiple games. Some of it  might be defense, but we miss wide open looks with our best shooters. Hell, it leaks over to free throws. I don't know that I've ever seen this before. Usually one of the shooters would have a good night even in a loss. 

Do we have 3-4 really good shooters? Aden will hopefully be one one day, but he hasn't been that since the first month of the season at latest. I could give you Denver. Jaylin has too much game to game variance for me to really want to say that tbh. Tre isn't a high volume 3 pt shooter. Broome is positionally good as a shooter, but he feels like another game to game guy for me. Everyone else is 30% and under 

If you think like Jared or Bryce, you mentally felt good about them shooting every game, miss or make, cold or hot. Outside of Chad and Denver, I don't feel like that about anyone else on this team. And for Denver, they need to be open, there can't be a real contest on the shot. 

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,669]

To put it another way, I think of a really good shooter as someone who can shoot themselves into being hot. Which is what you'll really need in March play if you're going to call yourself a real shooter. How many of those do we have? 

[JuscAUse! 1,410]

10 hours ago, Dual-Threat Rigby said:

Do we have 3-4 really good shooters? Aden will hopefully be one one day, but he hasn't been that since the first month of the season at latest. I could give you Denver. Jaylin has too much game to game variance for me to really want to say that tbh. Tre isn't a high volume 3 pt shooter. Broome is positionally good as a shooter, but he feels like another game to game guy for me. Everyone else is 30% and under 

If you think like Jared or Bryce, you mentally felt good about them shooting every game, miss or make, cold or hot. Outside of Chad and Denver, I don't feel like that about anyone else on this team. And for Denver, they need to be open, there can't be a real contest on the shot. 

Fair. It still seems like one of the team would make a shot now and then. 

[JuscAUse! 1,410]

10 hours ago, Dual-Threat Rigby said:

To put it another way, I think of a really good shooter as someone who can shoot themselves into being hot. Which is what you'll really need in March play if you're going to call yourself a real shooter. How many of those do we have? 

0. That's why I am so puzzled. They either come out hot or abysmally cold. I've been trying to remember, but I don't think I've seen that before. 

[WillMunny 1,377]

14 hours ago, JuscAUse! said:

Yes. We have players that go from shooting like Steph Curry and Larry Bird to .....I can't even think of a comparison. It beats all I've ever seen.

Dennis Rodman.

[WillMunny 1,377]

15 hours ago, JuscAUse! said:

Yes. We have players that go from shooting like Steph Curry and Larry Bird to .....I can't even think of a comparison. It beats all I've ever seen.

Like Jay Bilas said during the game yesterday: "Auburn commits way too many turnovers from bad shot selection".

Bruce lets them shoot without discipline but doesn't recruit enough shooters to justify that philosophy.

Although I know we miss too many good shots as well.

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,669]

2 hours ago, JuscAUse! said:

0. That's why I am so puzzled. They either come out hot or abysmally cold. I've been trying to remember, but I don't think I've seen that before. 

It's funny because we had a real stretch where you have dudes that a coach would chew his players out if you left open - Heron, Harper, Brown, Purifoy, Doughty, Justin Powell, etc - and since about 2020 or so, the names just dwindle sooooo much. Denver, Jabari, once every 3 games Jaylin......Jamal Johnson? like the names of actual real deal shooters in the decade of the 2020s have not been numerous by any stretch of the imagination 

I think having a real deal facilitator would help those potential shooters get the ball in better spots, which is what we've seen with Donaldson somewhat often. But I don't think he's good enough at this moment to be what I'd consider a go-to PG for a championship team - not yet 

[JuscAUse! 1,410]

1 hour ago, WillMunny said:

Like Jay Bilas said during the game yesterday: "Auburn commits way too many turnovers from bad shot selection".

Bruce lets them shoot without discipline but doesn't recruit enough shooters to justify that philosophy.

Although I know we miss too many good shots as well.

We missed a lot of good shots. And wide open shots. Weren't two dunks?

Edited February 18 by JuscAUse!

[WillMunny 1,377]

52 minutes ago, JuscAUse! said:

We missed a lot of good shots. And wide open shots. Weren't two dunks?

Yes, missed two dunks.  And on the play where Jaylin got hurt, it looked like he could have just layed it in the basket.   But I know these players love to dunk.

[casatiger 513]

Whoever evaluates portal guards needs to reconsider their approach.  I am fine with the high school guard recruiting but we are wasting good wing and big man talent with very average guards in the portal.  Either we don't have the $ to compete with other schools or we are poor talent evaluators.  

[KillenTime 127]

I think the whole team lost focus and intensity.  The gameday festivities changed the normal routine for the gym availability.   Our players were doing interviews.  Bruce was talking about Autlive and prostate screening.  They had a chili cookoff at Midtown with Aubie to raise money for autlive.  The night before was a different routine.  Cardwell and CBM was interviewing with Jay Bilas.  Team was giving out food to the campers.  Just way too many distractions and not focused on winning the game.  

A student asked Jaylin what he thought about the game Saturday and he told her it would be easy and he wasn't worried.  He said South Carolina was way better than KY and they killed South Carolina.  I knew then their mindset wasn't right for this game.  Did you see the pre-game huddles?  The difference between the two told the story.  KY was fired up talking about physicality - we must be physical today!  Our guys were dancing, posing for the camera and looked like a bunch of girls.  I was shaking my head when I saw that.  I told my wife we are about to get our azz beat.  They ready to play and we ain't (actually said are not).   

[KillenTime 127]

22 hours ago, WillMunny said:

Yes, missed two dunks.  And on the play where Jaylin got hurt, it looked like he could have just layed it in the basket.   But I know these players love to dunk.

One was after the whistle blew and the other was the foul on Jaylin when he was hurt.  Are those the two you speak of?  I don't recall another one. 

[KillenTime 127]

On 2/17/2024 at 10:57 PM, Dual-Threat Rigby said:

Do we have 3-4 really good shooters? Aden will hopefully be one one day, but he hasn't been that since the first month of the season at latest. I could give you Denver. Jaylin has too much game to game variance for me to really want to say that tbh. Tre isn't a high volume 3 pt shooter. Broome is positionally good as a shooter, but he feels like another game to game guy for me. Everyone else is 30% and under 

If you think like Jared or Bryce, you mentally felt good about them shooting every game, miss or make, cold or hot. Outside of Chad and Denver, I don't feel like that about anyone else on this team. And for Denver, they need to be open, there can't be a real contest on the shot. 

Do we have a Bryce Brown?  No, and we haven't had one since he left and didn't have many before him.  Only a few in his category as a shooter come to mind.  

I think Jaylin is a good shooter for a 4.  About as good as you are going to get from 3 point line as a 4.   He is a better shooter than a POWER forward.  Could have been a much better PF if he had learned to use the backboard. 

Johni has developed into a decent shooting big man.  For a 5 he is a good shooter.  Nice form, release and rotation.  Great shooter around the basket.   Uses the board and his elbows very nicely to hit shots around the rim.  One of the best shooting big men we have ever had actually.

CBM is a good shooter.  I wonder what he would look like at the 2.  Just a thought.  Again nice form, release and rotation.  Draws fouls with the best of them.  Needs the ball more.  Would love for him to have more open looks versus him having to create. 

Donaldson is actually a good shooter.  Not great, but good.  Solid stroke.  Needs to keep getting quicker with the ball in his hands in my opinion.  

Denver has all the tools.  Deadly from the top of the key.  Very good at receiving a pass from his left and shooting immediately.  Not so good off the dribble, passes from his right or the break.  Not good at all when shuffling his feet all around (step back) and forcing a shot.  I was hoping for much more out of him.  He did shoot it decent Saturday and is good FT shooter.  Looks like a volume guy and may think of him differently if he was getting 34 minutes a game.

KD could be good if he didn't force so many shots.  The one thing about playing so many guys -  is when you are in the game the feeling is "I have to get mine while I have the chance".  I think that mindset works against KD.  You can tell when he starts getting frustrated sitting in the corner waiting for a pass.  After about three trips of that, he is shooting if he gets a touch. It's usually a bad shot, especially if it is a 3.  When he isn't in that mindset and playing within the flow of the game he shoots it well in my opinion.  He has good mechanics.   He is a creative shooter around the basket - haha.  

 

 

[hooverwareagle1 32]

We have scorers, not shooters.  Scorers can get hot and score in bunches.  Shooters are consistent.  We thought Denver and Aden would be shooters.  Unfortunately, to date, that is not the case.  It will be hard to make a deep run in the tourney with this team.  A long, athletic team like UK will give us fits.  Broome cannot carry the entire load against premier teams.  

 

[autigeremt 6,616]

They had a bad shooting night. Unfortunately it looks like it will happen again down the road. 

[BizEagle 79]

On 2/17/2024 at 9:24 PM, SumterAubie said:

And to compound the poor shooting is the poor decision making. AKA stupid ass plays

Those fast break, behind the back passes by CBM made me cringe.  He would have had a 1,000% better probability to score if he'd just go straight to the hoop.  Those were very bad decisions. 

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,669]

1 hour ago, hooverwareagle1 said:

We have scorers, not shooters.  Scorers can get hot and score in bunches.  Shooters are consistent.  We thought Denver and Aden would be shooters.  Unfortunately, to date, that is not the case.  It will be hard to make a deep run in the tourney with this team.  A long, athletic team like UK will give us fits.  Broome cannot carry the entire load against premier teams.  

 

I agree with all of this post but the first bit especially. @KillenTime post was correct that a lot of our guys don’t have fundamentally bad shooting strokes. But there are a lot of guys that look like they should be good shooters that don’t put it together, for one reason or another. We have THOSE guys 

 

Denver is the only guy on this roster that’s evergreen as a shooter to me. Whether he’s 1-4 or 4-4, just let him shoot when he’s open. 

[Viper 3,132]

1 hour ago, BizEagle said:

Those fast break, behind the back passes by CBM made me cringe.  He would have had a 1,000% better probability to score if he'd just go straight to the hoop.  Those were very bad decisions. 

Ditto. He was trying to make the Sportscenter Top 10 instead of just getting 2 points. I’m ok with a circus pass when we’re up by 15+, but not trailing. Idiotic passes.