rolltoomer 0 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Auburn opens as 1-point favorite vs. Vols. Tide gets you 10 1/2 points vs. UGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle_57 0 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Bama covers that one. I think they may pull a Tuberville and win this one actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnimrod 0 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 UGA wins by 14. Unless BAMA finds depth somewhere this week. Lack of subs and injuries have killed the in last several games. No gas in 4th=loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streyeder 0 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 UGA wins by 14. Unless BAMA finds depth somewhere this week. Lack of subs and injuries have killed the in last several games. No gas in 4th=loss. I say they win if the O gives the D a rest the last 20 minutes and moves the ball. If the O starts goin 3 and out the last 20 then we're done for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,439 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Someone please explain how the moving line thing works in betting. I just dont get it? I know it is a function of the number of bets, but do you lock in the bet, or does yours shift too? Why do they change it? I am sssooo confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegalEagle 22 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Maybe I can be of assistance. The people that handle the bets want to get their profit from the 10% charge for losing bets. If you bet $50 and win, you get $50. Bet $50 and lose, you pay $55. They want equal bets on the opposing teams, thereby ensuring they cannot lose. If unequal sums are being bet on a game, they adjust the odds to cause a shift in the betting. They use the losers' money to cover the winners and keep the handling money for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,439 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Maybe I can be of assistance. The people that handle the bets want to get their profit from the 10% charge for losing bets. If you bet $50 and win, you get $50. Bet $50 and lose, you pay $55. They want equal bets on the opposing teams, thereby ensuring they cannot lose. If unequal sums are being bet on a game, they adjust the odds to cause a shift in the betting. They use the losers' money to cover the winners and keep the handling money for themselves. You mean betting is just money changing then? Whoa, what a concept! But do you lock in or does it change as the line moves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Bama covers...maybe wins. Too early to tell on the AU/UT game...lets see where the line goes by the end of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,048 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 With Croyle hurt (shoulder), Bryant & Pope dinged up, this could get out of had for Bama. The lack of depth will hurt them for the rest of the year. GA is a lot faster on defense than Ark & may stop S. Williams. If that happens, & GA wins, look out, the Bama Nation will turn on Shula like rabid dogs. On the whole in general, most Bama fans spent the summer saying, "This is basically the same team that won 10 games last year." Wrong, it is not the same team & not the same coaching staff. And most importantly, NOT as deep as last years team. If A. Carter had been able to come back & give them a true deep threat, things might have looked much different. The question is, when the losses begin to pile up will the Bama faithful give Shula 5 - 6 years to turn things around. From the sounds of talk radio, newspapers, & talking to Bama fans, I don't think they are logical enough to think things through and give him the time to get things right. Their mindset is, We are Alabama! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoic-one 1,549 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Caesars-Hilton has already shifted to UT -1, guess they have seen a lot of money going to ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaTiger 0 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 david... i bet the bets are locked in place at the time you make them. ct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texaubie 0 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Yeh, the line is locked when you place your bet. Similar to locking in a loan rate. That's why some people wait until the last minute to place a bet and others do it early if they think the line will move in their favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Considering we're currently 2-3 and I have seen not ONE person who says anything short of full support...I think the whole "turn on shula like rabid dogs" theory holds little water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 0 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 David - Let's say the Auburn vs. UT game opens at Auburn -2 (for what idea, I have no idea) - and rabid UT fan places a bet for $100 (i.e., he gives $100 to his bookie, or the book at the Casion). However, he isn't the only one doing this = the entire Vol nation (and some Auburn folks are also betting on UT to cover the spread. At this point, the casino realizes that the bets are heavily weighted toward UT, so they will move the line a half point (to AU -1.5), with the logic that this will cause fewer folks to bet on UT, and perhaps more take AU. They'll continue to move the line until the bet are a little more even. However, the UT guy who bet $100 still has the line at AU -2, even if the current line is a pick 'em. Say AU wins by one. The UT guy won't get $100 back, he'll get like $95 back, because the casino keeps the "Juice." That's how they make money. So if 100 people bet $100 on Auburn, and 100 people bet $100 on UT, and AU DID cover, the casino would keep the $10,000 bet on UT, but also $5 for every Auburn bet, thereby making $10,500. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,048 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Considering we're currently 2-3 and I have seen not ONE person who says anything short of full support...I think the whole "turn on shula like rabid dogs" theory holds little water Do you listen to the radio? Listening to the callers on both WJOX & the Finebaum show, they are on the verge of open revolt. Another 2 - 3 losses & the moving vans will be headed to Tuscaloosa. On the other hand I can also say, another 2 - 3 losses & the moving vans will be called to Auburn as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerdog 0 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Oddsmakers also have the O/U at 38.5 as of tue the 30th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,439 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Thanks Chuck. I guess I am a little clueless about the betting thing. Can you folks tell I dont bet on hardly anything? Sorry to take up so much time here but I truly didnt understand it other than they shift the lines to cover the losses. Another question: I went to a dog track with a friend, his b'day. We both bought tip sheets. I didnt bet on anything other than "place", am I even saying that right? Anyway there was a dog in a late race and the sheets said he was definitely a "place dog", my words not theirs. The line went to 81:1 just before the race. I was hyped up thinking that "hey, easy money." Rob jerked me back to reality. Told me it was a "suckers bet." Sure enough, that dog finished last or next to last. Now, my question: Do they do that kind of manipulating on sports bets? Would they intentionally give too many points to one team and then swing it all the way around to insure interest in the game and entice usually non-betting fans by making it look different before kickoff? Do they do that? Also. are the over/under bets that common? What about the number of sacks. Total yards, etc. Do many folks actually bet those and are they handled the same way? I am really interested in this. I dont bet, if at all. The Dog track thing was the only time I went and it was Rob's birthday and his uncle worked at the track, so the entry was free. We sat in a section with tables and drank some free beer. VictoryLand , I guess? Macon County, AL.? Hell, the one near Auburn. Now on to more questions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,439 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 I got another question for you folks. Is the mob involved as much anymore? In the movies they all decry the DisneyLandization of Las Vegas. They say the big corporations are running the mob out of town. I was wondering the same thing. And not specifically mind you, doesnt most of PBjrs money come from GreeneTrack near Tuscaloosa? How do you folks feel about that? I kind of like the idea that Lowder's money coming from Banking myself. I am moving the thread too. It is not really football anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,439 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Considering we're currently 2-3 and I have seen not ONE person who says anything short of full support...I think the whole "turn on shula like rabid dogs" theory holds little water Do you listen to the radio? Listening to the callers on both WJOX & the Finebaum show, they are on the verge of open revolt. Another 2 - 3 losses & the moving vans will be headed to Tuscaloosa. On the other hand I can also say, another 2 - 3 losses & the moving vans will be called to Auburn as well. Love the quote here. We can basically see that Ole Miss and MSU are going to have new coaches next year. If the seasons at Bama and Auburn fall apart, it would be really eye opening experience if 2 states in the SEC had both schools inside them looking for new coaches next year. NOT A PREDICTION mind you. Just something funny to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaTiger 0 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 David - Let's say the Auburn vs. UT game opens at Auburn -2 (for what idea, I have no idea) - and rabid UT fan places a bet for $100 (i.e., he gives $100 to his bookie, or the book at the Casion). However, he isn't the only one doing this = the entire Vol nation (and some Auburn folks are also betting on UT to cover the spread. At this point, the casino realizes that the bets are heavily weighted toward UT, so they will move the line a half point (to AU -1.5), with the logic that this will cause fewer folks to bet on UT, and perhaps more take AU. They'll continue to move the line until the bet are a little more even. However, the UT guy who bet $100 still has the line at AU -2, even if the current line is a pick 'em. Say AU wins by one. The UT guy won't get $100 back, he'll get like $95 back, because the casino keeps the "Juice." That's how they make money. So if 100 people bet $100 on Auburn, and 100 people bet $100 on UT, and AU DID cover, the casino would keep the $10,000 bet on UT, but also $5 for every Auburn bet, thereby making $10,500. Hope that helps. hey chuck (or anybody)...riddle me this: as the line moves over time, isn't there a spot where the bookie is doubly exposed? meaning someone could hold both teams with differing point spreads and win both bets? ct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,048 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 They say the big corporations are running the mob out of town. So the mobsters are not as ruthless, crooked & greedy as the MBA's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texaubie 0 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 as the line moves over time, isn't there a spot where the bookie is doubly exposed? meaning someone could hold both teams with differing point spreads and win both bets? Its possible but not probable. You could just as easily lose both bets. I've bet 3 game parlays where I won the first 2 games and then placed a counter bet on the third game. In other words, I bet against my earlier parlay third game bet. That way, I either win the parlay with 6:1 odds and lose the single bet (thereby essentially winning 5:1 odds after the loss on the new bet) or win the single bet and lose the parlay (thereby breaking even except for the juice). I have not been betting this year tho. Too up and down to get a grip on anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexbo 104 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Bama covers...maybe wins.Too early to tell on the AU/UT game...lets see where the line goes by the end of the week. I think 'Bama may match up pretty well against UG. UG has become a finess team, not a grind it out team, and 'Bama's DL may find a way to put pressure on the QB. 'Bama's lack of depth on the DL hurt them with Arkansas pounding them for 4 quarters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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