vatz22au 142 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 As much as Bama talks about returning a dominate defense every year, I found out an interesting stat browing through the NCAA records (NCAA Stats only go back 6 years on the site): Total Defense ranked 2005: AU #19, Bama #2 2004: AU #5, Bama #2 2003: AU #5, Bama #46.... wow 2002: AU #26, Bama #3 2001: AU #39, Bama #48 2000: AU #14, Bama #35 You can find these stats at the NCAA official website. So out of 6 years listed, Auburn has had the best defense 3 out 6 times. Bama has an average ranking of : #22.6 in the nation in total defense Auburn has an average ranking of: #18 in the nation in total defense To add to that, this is how many times both teams finished in the top 25 in that category (Total defense): AU: 4 Bama: 3 It seems Bama's defense, like all other teams, thrive on experience returning. With the loss of 7 defensive starters on that side of the ball, I'm not so sure they'll be in the top 5 again in Defense this year. So in the past 6 years, average wise, Auburn's defense has been 4 spots better than Alabama's defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioWryn 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 So in the past 6 years, average wise, Auburn's defense has been 4 spots better than Alabama's defense But if you take out 2000 and 2001 we don't, and if you include 1998 and 1999, we don't. Bama's had a great run of it the last several years on the defensive side of the ball. They're not a top-10 defense this year, but they're probably still a top-25 defense. It's all cyclical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vatz22au 142 Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 So in the past 6 years, average wise, Auburn's defense has been 4 spots better than Alabama's defense But if you take out 2000 and 2001 we don't, and if you include 1998 and 1999, we don't. Bama's had a great run of it the last several years on the defensive side of the ball. They're not a top-10 defense this year, but they're probably still a top-25 defense. It's all cyclical. And if you take out 2005 and replace it with 1957, etc etc.... I included consecutive years. The point I'm trying to make is how experience has impacted Bama's D in a big way, and that Auburn has had a defense thats been just as consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURainman 6 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 why compare ourselves to THEM? We've got bigger fish to fry. Bama is irrelevant. Everyone, say it with me. Bama is IRRELEVANT. Also, you are looking at ONE stat. IF you take the time to collect ALL the facts and the facts still support your argument, then great. But I would suggest you avoid searching for facts to support a preconceived notion. It will always lead to leaky arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,456 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 As much as Bama talks about returning a dominate defense every year, I found out an interesting stat browing through the NCAA records (NCAA Stats only go back 6 years on the site): Total Defense ranked 2005: AU #19, Bama #2 2004: AU #5, Bama #2 2003: AU #5, Bama #46.... wow 2002: AU #26, Bama #3 2001: AU #39, Bama #48 2000: AU #14, Bama #35 You can find these stats at the NCAA official website. So out of 6 years listed, Auburn has had the best defense 3 out 6 times. Bama has an average ranking of : #22.6 in the nation in total defense Auburn has an average ranking of: #18 in the nation in total defense To add to that, this is how many times both teams finished in the top 25 in that category (Total defense): AU: 4 Bama: 3 It seems Bama's defense, like all other teams, thrive on experience returning. With the loss of 7 defensive starters on that side of the ball, I'm not so sure they'll be in the top 5 again in Defense this year. So in the past 6 years, average wise, Auburn's defense has been 4 spots better than Alabama's defense Vatz, If you are fishin' for bg, you are using the right bait! p.s. uat IS irrelevant........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otterinbham 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Good stats, there. I wonder what happens this year. Alabama really hemorrhaged talent this year on their defensive squad after graduation. Kines is a heckuva a coach, however. I'm sure he'll have them whipped into shape in another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saniflush 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Good stats, there. I wonder what happens this year. Kines is going to get them all ice cream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinCrimson 61 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Our D looked pretty shaky in the spring game, but it looks like they are now starting to gel. They impressed me at the scrimmage the other day. They won't be on the same level as last year's unit... but a Top 15 defense is very realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUloggerhead 2,225 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Maybe it's just me but I find it impossible to combine the words "dominate" & "defense" in the same sentence when talking about a unit that gives up 21 straight points in the first 10 minutes of a huge rivalry game at the end of the season. Stats are sometimes misleading -- when you play a schedule full of cream-puffs, your defense is always going to post great looking stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tigrinum Major Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Our D looked pretty shaky in the spring game, but it looks like they are now starting to gel. They impressed me at the scrimmage the other day. They won't be on the same level as last year's unit... but a Top 15 defense is very realistic. And look at the offensive juggernaut they were facing in that scrimmage. Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinCrimson 61 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Our D looked pretty shaky in the spring game, but it looks like they are now starting to gel. They impressed me at the scrimmage the other day. They won't be on the same level as last year's unit... but a Top 15 defense is very realistic. And look at the offensive juggernaut they were facing in that scrimmage. Give me a break. No juggernaut, but we're going to be MUCH better on offense this season than we were in 05. We'll be alright on both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KunzelTiger 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 So in the past 6 years, average wise, Auburn's defense has been 4 spots better than Alabama's defense But if you take out 2000 and 2001 we don't, and if you include 1998 and 1999, we don't. Bama's had a great run of it the last several years on the defensive side of the ball. They're not a top-10 defense this year, but they're probably still a top-25 defense. It's all cyclical. Yeah? but if my Aunt had...I'll let everyone here finish the statement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,456 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Vatz, I told ya'. Go uat "giggin'" and Ye shall be rewarded! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tigrinum Major Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 No juggernaut, but we're going to be MUCH better on offense this season than we were in 05. I can't argue with this statement since it would be difficult to regress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 146 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Maybe it's just me but I find it impossible to combine the words "dominate" & "defense" in the same sentence when talking about a unit that gives up 21 straight points in the first 10 minutes of a huge rivalry game at the end of the season. Stats are sometimes misleading -- when you play a schedule full of cream-puffs, your defense is always going to post great looking stats. Well if you consider that your offense got to start at midfield or better 5 straight times...you might see why they had so much sucess. The offense put the defense in a TERRIBLE situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saniflush 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Seems to me the year before SPUAT had some pretty good field position a number of times and got what?????? 6 points out of it? C'mon let's remember EVERYTHING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 146 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Seems to me the year before SPUAT had some pretty good field position a number of times and got what?????? 6 points out of it? C'mon let's remember EVERYTHING. I also remember AU had negative yards in the first half and took 5 posessions to get a first down. But hey, if you want to compare your offense last year to the one we had in 04...be my guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tigrinum Major Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I also remember AU had negative yards in the first half and took 5 posessions to get a first down. But hey, if you want to compare your offense last year to the one we had in 04...be my guest. Ok, I'll bite. What in the name of all that is holy are you talking about? Negative yards in the first half? 5 possessions to get a first down? Put down the crack pipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saniflush 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Seems to me the year before SPUAT had some pretty good field position a number of times and got what?????? 6 points out of it? C'mon let's remember EVERYTHING. I also remember AU had negative yards in the first half and took 5 posessions to get a first down. But hey, if you want to compare your offense last year to the one we had in 04...be my guest. You are the one blaming your offense for giving us the ball deep in your own territory. I simply pointed out that our offense did the same thing the year before and our stupendous defense didn't curl up in in the fetal position and give up major points. You really should try to stay on topic. I know these are facts and they confuse you and the rest of the dark pink nation but a little dose of reality would be good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,456 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Seems to me the year before SPUAT had some pretty good field position a number of times and got what?????? 6 points out of it? C'mon let's remember EVERYTHING. I also remember AU had negative yards in the first half and took 5 posessions to get a first down. But hey, if you want to compare your offense last year to the one we had in 04...be my guest. You are the one blaming your offense for giving us the ball deep in your own territory. I simply pointed out that our offense did the same thing the year before and our stupendous defense didn't curl up in in the fetal position and give up major points. You really should try to stay on topic. I know these are facts and they confuse you and the rest of the dark pink nation but a little dose of reality would be good for you. Facts? What do facts have to do with uat tradishun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 146 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Ok, I'll bite. What in the name of all that is holy are you talking about?Negative yards in the first half? 5 possessions to get a first down? Put down the crack pipe. This is fun! 1st Posession: Carnell Williams (AUB) rushed up the middle for -2 yards Jason Campbell (AUB) pass incomplete to the left side. Jason Campbell (AUB) pass incomplete to the left side. Punt (yard total -2) 2nd : Jason Campbell (AUB) pass left side complete to Ronnie Brown (AUB) for -6 yards. Jason Campbell (AUB) pass left side complete to Ronnie Brown (AUB) for -3 yards. Jason Campbell (AUB) pass right side complete to Carnell Williams (AUB) for 8 yards. Punt (yard total -3) 3rd: Carnell Williams (AUB) rushed right side for 5 yards. Jason Campbell (AUB) pass incomplete to the right side. Jason Campbell (AUB) sacked for a loss of 6 yards. Punt (yard total -4) 4th: Ronnie Brown (AUB) rushed left side for 7 yards Ronnie Brown (AUB) rushed left side for 5 yards. Ronnie Brown (AUB) rushed left side for no gain. Jason Campbell (AUB) pass across the middle intercepted by Anthony Madison (ALA). Returned for 19 yards. (yard total 8) 5th Jason Campbell (AUB) rushed left side for 4 yards. Jason Campbell (AUB) pass right side complete to Ronnie Brown (AUB) for 3 yards. Jason Campbell (AUB) rushed up the middle for 3 yards. Jason Campbell (AUB) pass across the middle complete to Cooper Wallace (AUB) for 11 yards. (then fumbled) (yard total 18) So after 5 drives, you did have positive yards...10. You were negative through the first Q, and didnt have more than 4 plays on any drive until your last of the half. Your 1st half drive chart went: Punt Punt Punt Int Fumble Missed FG And except for the opening kickoff of the 2nd half...your starting field positions were: 42 yd line 48 yd line 17 yd line 49 yd line You had ONE TD drive that went 80 yards to open the second half. The other two TDs came from when your team started at midfield. I think that more than proves my point. You are the one blaming your offense for giving us the ball deep in your own territory. I simply pointed out that our offense did the same thing the year before and our stupendous defense didn't curl up in in the fetal position and give up major points. Our offense was terrible in 2004. So again, if you think your offense was just as bad as ours, then you have a valid argument...otherwise, you do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saniflush 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Once again and I'll say it slowly for the learning impaired.... You brought up field position in relation to scoring. All I said was we gave it to you in your OWN stadium and did not collapse. Why could you guys not keep from doing the same? It was supposedly the best defense you had in YEARS? It really doesn't matter either way cause it is history.... What does matter is that Hawaii is getting ready to tan that hide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 146 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Saniflush...do you not think its easier to score if you start from midfield as opposed to starting on your own 20? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 146 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 To further my point: In the 2005 Iron bowl, here's AUs starting field position for their TDs the ALABAMA 31 the ALABAMA 40 the Auburn 45 the Auburn 39 All coming after multiple 3 and outs. So if you dont think starting in OUR territory against a tired defense matters, you need to either stop using drugs...or look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,456 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 That "poor field position" was due to the lack of any "talent" on the o-line. ELEVEN SACKS?...That's ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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