Godspeed Robert Parry

[AUFAN78 3,926]

Godspeed Robert Parry. You are a rare breed, an honorable man.

Word

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/31/an-apology-and-explanation/

[I_M4_AU 8,004]

Some good insight by a guy that has lived it.  Thanks for posting. 

[TexasTiger 13,032]

Not honorable. Clearly in the tank:

"The demonization of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russia is just the most dangerous feature of this propaganda process – and this is where the neocons and the liberal interventionists most significantly come together. The U.S. media’s approach to Russia is now virtually 100 percent propaganda."

Talking points straight from the Kremlin. Converts to the Kremlin point of view eat it up. 

[AUFAN78 3,926]

22 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Not honorable. Clearly in the tank:

"The demonization of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russia is just the most dangerous feature of this propaganda process – and this is where the neocons and the liberal interventionists most significantly come together. The U.S. media’s approach to Russia is now virtually 100 percent propaganda."

Talking points straight from the Kremlin. Converts to the Kremlin point of view eat it up. 

That's all you gleaned from the article? 

How is Parry a Kremlin convert? How is he in the tank? Please provide substantive proof, not simply partisan evidence free proclamations as referenced in the article.

Happy New Year Tex.  

[TexasTiger 13,032]

3 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

That's all you gleaned from the article? 

How is Parry a Kremlin convert? How is he in the tank? Please provide substantive proof, not simply partisan evidence free proclamations as referenced in the article.

Happy New Year Tex.  

Do you agree the extreme quote above from the article?

[japantiger 4,051]

1 hour ago, AUFAN78 said:

Liar. You've answered nothing, contributed nothing, and deflected plenty. I asked the following:

How is Parry a Kremlin convert? How is he in the tank? Please provide substantive proof, not simply partisan evidence free proclamations as referenced in the article.

Now, please show me where you provided substantive proof. 

I don't think Tex has figured out that he is exactly the problem Parry describes.   Parry  obviously has the current climate described pretty well.  Where I disagree with Parry is in his cause and effect assertions...that is, official Washington " is disinterested in reality, exploiting “information” for tactical purposes, eager to manipulate or con the public" in response to Trump. 

Trump didn't start this...the left and the press have always been this way.    Why "official Washington (and Tex)" is so unhinged is Trump 1) started playing the game the way they've been playing it and 2) they can't control Trump's messages getting out directly to people.  Trump won't let  them lie with impunity and take it....he one ups them (call him a liar; he calls you a liar and a thief); and goes around them and directly to the people thru social media.  Just like the emperor's clothes or any priesthood that loses it's monopoly on controlling access to god, all they can do is throw a tantrum (like Tex's response to your questions above).  The more he calls them out; and the more he bypasses them, the more shrill, unhinged and irrational their protestations become.   All they're left with are their baseless talking points (Russia, Russia, Russia) that aren't supported by facts or common sense....instead, you get Tex's Pee-Wee-Herman-quality debate like above.....

I don't really know Parry....his historical perspective on the US press seems pretty limited (it seems media as propaganda --info wars he calls it -- only started in his lifetime), his statements are naive, and he conveniently ignores in his examples a lot of what he decries (that is, media selectively only pursuing stories that made the opposition look bad vs following facts to outcomes).  

 

[AUFAN78 3,926]

6 minutes ago, homersapien said:

"The U.S. media’s approach to Russia is now virtually 100 percent propaganda."

Arrival of the pseudo intellectual posse.

Two questions smart guy: How is Parry a Kremlin convert? How is he in the Putin tank? Please provide substantive proof. 

So that would not be your or others opinion. It would not be a line from the authors article.  It would be factual evidence.

 

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

15 minutes ago, japantiger said:

I don't think Tex has figured out that he is exactly the problem Parry describes.   Parry  obviously has the current climate described pretty well.  Where I disagree with Parry is in his cause and effect assertions...that is, official Washington " is disinterested in reality, exploiting “information” for tactical purposes, eager to manipulate or con the public" in response to Trump. 

Trump didn't start this...the left and the press have always been this way.    Why "official Washington (and Tex)" is so unhinged is Trump 1) started playing the game the way they've been playing it and 2) they can't control Trump's messages getting out directly to people.  Trump won't let  them lie with impunity and take it....he one ups them (call him a liar; he calls you a liar and a thief); and goes around them and directly to the people thru social media.  Just like the emperor's clothes or any priesthood that loses it's monopoly on controlling access to god, all they can do is throw a tantrum (like Tex's response to your questions above).  The more he calls them out; and the more he bypasses them, the more shrill, unhinged and irrational their protestations become.   All they're left with are their baseless talking points (Russia, Russia, Russia) that aren't supported by facts or common sense....instead, you get Tex's Pee-Wee-Herman-quality debate like above.....

I don't really know Parry....his historical perspective on the US press seems pretty limited (it seems media as propaganda --info wars he calls it -- only started in his lifetime), his statements are naive, and he conveniently ignores in his examples a lot of what he decries (that is, media selectively only pursuing stories that made the opposition look bad vs following facts to outcomes).  

 

Two things.

1) Go back an re-read his piece.  Parry actually lays the start of using disinformation at the feet of Republicans following Nixon and Watergate.  He never said Trump "started this".

2) He's not naive.  The guy actually broke several of the major Iran Contra stories.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Parry_(journalist)

[TexasTiger 13,032]

7 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

Arrival of the pseudo intellectual posse.

Two questions smart guy: How is Parry a Kremlin convert? How is he in the Putin tank? Please provide substantive proof. 

So that would not be your or others opinion. It would not be a line from the authors article.  It would be factual evidence.

 

You don't understand what evidence is. Some evidence is more open to interpretation, other evidence is more concrete. He consistently cites Kremlin talking points. Very reliable. Even when they are utterly absurd. Are there alternative explanations? Sure. Maybe he lost his mind. I gave you my reasons, but you're too much of a coward to answer my question.

[TexasTiger 13,032]

4 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

Two things.

1) Go back an re-read his piece.  Parry actually lays the start of using disinformation at the feet of Republicans following Nixon and Watergate.  He never said Trump "started this".

2) He's not naive.  The guy actually broke several of the major Iran Contra stories.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Parry_(journalist)

Not naive. Interesting track record. And then, boom. Kremlin talking points.

[AUFAN78 3,926]

30 minutes ago, japantiger said:

I don't think Tex has figured out that he is exactly the problem Parry describes.   Parry  obviously has the current climate described pretty well.  Where I disagree with Parry is in his cause and effect assertions...that is, official Washington " is disinterested in reality, exploiting “information” for tactical purposes, eager to manipulate or con the public" in response to Trump. 

Trump didn't start this...the left and the press have always been this way.    Why "official Washington (and Tex)" is so unhinged is Trump 1) started playing the game the way they've been playing it and 2) they can't control Trump's messages getting out directly to people.  Trump won't let  them lie with impunity and take it....he one ups them (call him a liar; he calls you a liar and a thief); and goes around them and directly to the people thru social media.  Just like the emperor's clothes or any priesthood that loses it's monopoly on controlling access to god, all they can do is throw a tantrum (like Tex's response to your questions above).  The more he calls them out; and the more he bypasses them, the more shrill, unhinged and irrational their protestations become.   All they're left with are their baseless talking points (Russia, Russia, Russia) that aren't supported by facts or common sense....instead, you get Tex's Pee-Wee-Herman-quality debate like above.....

I don't really know Parry....his historical perspective on the US press seems pretty limited (it seems media as propaganda --info wars he calls it -- only started in his lifetime), his statements are naive, and he conveniently ignores in his examples a lot of what he decries (that is, media selectively only pursuing stories that made the opposition look bad vs following facts to outcomes).  

 

Tex isn't alone in not having the problem figured out. You know this as you read this forum and it is indeed a microcosm of society as a whole.

Nothing wrong with disagreement. Vastly different from stating as fact he is a Kremlin convert or in the tank with Putin.

Parry is an award winning independent journalist. IMO a breath of fresh non-biased air. 

[TexasTiger 13,032]

40 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

Tex isn't alone in not having the problem figured out. You know this as you read this forum and it is indeed a microcosm of society as a whole.

Nothing wrong with disagreement. Vastly different from stating as fact he is a Kremlin convert or in the tank with Putin.

Parry is an award winning independent journalist. IMO a breath of fresh non-biased air. 

He's too cowardly to admit it, but  AUFan78 believes this:

"The demonization of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russia is just the most dangerous feature of this propaganda process – and this is where the neocons and the liberal interventionists most significantly come together. The U.S. media’s approach to Russia is now virtually 100 percent propaganda."

@AUFAN78 thinks the most dangerous feature of propaganda is demonizing Putin-- an autocratic tyrant whose opponents either aren't allowed to run against him or mysteriously die. KGB to his core. No friend of America or democracy.  He thinks this is fair and unbiased. Pure journalism. 

[AUFAN78 3,926]

5 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

He's too cowardly to admit it, but  AUFan78 believes this:

"The demonization of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russia is just the most dangerous feature of this propaganda process – and this is where the neocons and the liberal interventionists most significantly come together. The U.S. media’s approach to Russia is now virtually 100 percent propaganda."

@AUFAN78 thinks the most dangerous feature of propaganda is demonizing Putin-- an autocratic tyrant whose opponents either aren't allowed to run against him or mysteriously die. KGB to his core. No friend of America or democracy.  He thinks this is fair and unbiased. Pure journalism. 

What I believe is much of the MSM talking points and stories are fabricated with an intent to deceive. I don't see Parry doing this. In fact, he is pointing out the problem. Here is an example: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/11/russia-gates-litany-of-corrections/

It is no wonder you dislike him. I get it. I think most do. But you be you. MSM propaganda bot. 

[japantiger 4,051]

1 hour ago, Brad_ATX said:

Two things.

1) Go back an re-read his piece.  Parry actually lays the start of using disinformation at the feet of Republicans following Nixon and Watergate.  He never said Trump "started this".

2) He's not naive.  The guy actually broke several of the major Iran Contra stories.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Parry_(journalist)

Three things:

• He lays the blame for the lefts and the press's current psychosis at Trump's feet....not the use of disinformation
• as for disinformation,  his perspective is limited...disinformation wasn't started in the 1970's as he implies  Any good reading of American history shows it existed prior to our founding....hell, Thomas Jefferson practiced it to a fine art....he wrote outright lies published under a pseudonym to counter Washington and Adam's administrations while he was VP and Sec of State
• last point on naivete;  he makes statements on his purity of being one of the last vestiges of a bygone day where reporters were pure and only reported facts and stories that they rightly ought to purue... he holds himself in high stead....or he's just self deluded...I chose naive.

[homersapien 11,453]

14 hours ago, AUFAN78 said:

Arrival of the pseudo intellectual posse.

Two questions smart guy: How is Parry a Kremlin convert? How is he in the Putin tank? Please provide substantive proof. 

So that would not be your or others opinion. It would not be a line from the authors article.  It would be factual evidence.

 

It doesn't take an intellect - pseudo or otherwise - to read a direct quote.

But it takes a healthy does of denial to ignore it.

[DKW 86 7,446]

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The GOP success in damaging Bill Clinton made possible George W. Bush’s disputed “victory” in 2000 in which Bush took the presidency despite losing the popular vote and almost certainly losing the key state of Florida if all ballots legal under state law were counted.

I really dont know about this guy. He has covered some stories that, to be totally truthful, i cant find ANY truth in them. The Gore Won Florida Story & Trick or Treason in 1980 <SMGDH>. Then he starts to go into detail about the Trump-Putin Craziness and he sounds like basically I have been saying here, but with a sophistication that I can no longer muster after 18 months of incredulity. 

[AUFAN78 3,926]

I started reading CN roughly two years ago as I searched for an independent source, not a propaganda machine. According to MEDIA BIAS/FACT CHECK, CN is slightly left leaning and their factual reporting High.

It was Parry who caught my eye with his investigative reporting on the Russia probe. Do I agree with everything CN or Parry in particular report? Just as with any source, the answer is emphatically NO. As stated previously, I think much of the media's reporting has been constructed to deceive for political gain. CN and Parry have called them out and ultimately many of these media outlets have walked back or rescinded these reports.   

Parry is an award winning independent journalist. Seemed honorable to me. Now, if he is charged as a Russian spy my opinion changes, obviously.

The man suffered a stroke. I wish him Godspeed in recovery. 

[SaltyTiger 7,864]

" Does any sentient human being read the New York Times’ or the Washington Post’s coverage of Russia and think that he or she is getting a neutral or unbiased treatment of the facts?"

  No

Well said 78....all of it

Got a great media that made us aware Russia meddling around Nov 12, 2016. Did Putin get to rigged Dem primary?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/02/donna-brazile-found-proof-dnc-rigged-nomination-for-hillary-clinton.html

[AUFAN78 3,926]

29 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

" Does any sentient human being read the New York Times’ or the Washington Post’s coverage of Russia and think that he or she is getting a neutral or unbiased treatment of the facts?"

  No

Well said 78....all of it

Got a great media that made us aware Russia meddling around Nov 12, 2016. Did Putin get to rigged Dem primary?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/02/donna-brazile-found-proof-dnc-rigged-nomination-for-hillary-clinton.html

Ha. Funny stuff Salty. Thanks!

Perhaps you should subscribe to PropOrNot? You likely won't be the first here to do so. They might actually change your mind. My gut tells me it has worked on a few of our posters. But a word of caution, once you do subscribe, a tinfoil hat appears at your doorstep. You get what you pay for.........

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[Proud Tiger 4,261]

On ‎12‎/‎31‎/‎2017 at 11:47 PM, AUFAN78 said:

Godspeed Robert Parry. You are a rare breed, an honorable man.

Word

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/31/an-apology-and-explanation/

Thanks for posting.

[TitanTiger 20,511]

Just because it's the Smack Forum doesn't mean its a free for all.  Cleaned up the bickering from the thread.