Do the little things mean a lot?

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On 8/31/2021 at 4:18 PM, jj3jordan said:

Sure was a lot of outrage when George HW Bush checked his watch during the debate. And he had a legit reason to check it since there was a time limit on responses. One gold star father said he checked it after every casket. Trump actually did casket transfer ceremonies numerous times and I don’t believe he tweeted or checked his watch during the ceremony. More fake news from Trump haters. 
 

Biden is clueless and pathetic. I know I didn’t want him and I’m pretty sure most of y’all don’t want him either now that you have seen him in action.

get back to me asshat when biden makes fun or pow's and soldiers dying to save his people at a road block. and do not bother denying it as i watch trump do it. you people are just picking. none of you have any idea what pressing situations might need his immediate attention. you just want to make fun of biden because trump caught hell but then trump had a hell of a mouth and he talked s*** about everybody.

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1 hour ago, aubiefifty said:

get back to me asshat when biden makes fun or pow's and soldiers dying to save his people at a road block. and do not bother denying it as i watch trump do it. you people are just picking. none of you have any idea what pressing situations might need his immediate attention. you just want to make fun of biden because trump caught hell but then trump had a hell of a mouth and he talked s*** about everybody.

Does insulting naval academy cadets count?

Edited September 10, 2021 by jj3jordan

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3 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

Does insulting naval academy cadets count?

How about abandoning American citizens in Afghanistan?

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Seems appropriate considering the discussion in this thread…

[homersapien 11,367]

Yeah, we should have re-elected Trump, right?

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On 9/1/2021 at 7:54 PM, aubiefifty said:

read it and weep creed. and get yout facts straight before you jump in someones s*** ok?

 

 

 

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Fact check: Biden honored service members killed in Kabul, checked watch only after ceremony

Daniel Funke, USA TODAY

Wed, September 1, 2021, 1:12 PM

 

 

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The claim: Donald Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Joe Biden checked his watch

On Aug. 29, President Joe Biden paid his respects to U.S. service members who were killed in a terrorist attack at the Kabul airport. The president and first lady Jill Biden bowed and placed their hands over their hearts as 11 caskets were presented at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.

But on social media, some doubted Biden's sincerity.

One popular post features two photos: one of Biden and one of now-former President Donald Trump. The picture shows Biden appearing to check his watch, Trump salutes as men in fatigues carry a casket draped in the American flag.

"A picture is worth a thousand words," reads text over the post, published Aug. 30 on Facebook.

Similar posts have racked up hundreds of thousands of interactions on Facebook and Instagram, according to CrowdTangle, a social media insights tool. An Aug. 29 Facebook Live video from Benny Johnson, a conservative commentator, accumulated more than 446,000 views within two days.

"BIDEN LOOKS AT HIS WATCH (!!!) AS CASKETS OF 13 SERVICE MEMBERS KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN ARE DELIVERED TO THEIR FAMILIES," reads the caption of the video, which shows a still of Biden purportedly checking his watch during the dignified transfer, a process that honors slain service members returning to the U.S.

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Biden has taken heat from all sides for the chaotic evacuation of U.S. troops, citizens and allies from Afghanistan. But the claim that he checked his watch instead of honoring the fallen service members is wrong.

USA TODAY reached out to social media users who shared the claim for comment.

Biden honored fallen troops

The full video of the dignified transfer ceremony shows Biden honored each of the fallen U.S. service members. He appeared to check his watch after the ceremony ended.

On Aug. 26, 11 Marines, one Navy hospital corpsman and an Army soldier were killed in bombings and gunfire at Hamid Karzai International Airport. ISIS-K, an Islamic State affiliate group in Afghanistan and Pakistan, claimed responsibility for the attack, which also killed at least 169 Afghans.

"These American service members who gave their lives ... they were heroes," Biden said during remarks after the terrorist attack. "Heroes who have been engaged in a dangerous, selfless mission to save the lives of others."

 

President Joe Biden, first lady Jill Biden, and other officials, attend the dignified transfer of the remains of fallen service members at Dover Air Force Base in Dover, Delaware, August, 29, 2021, after 13 members of the US military were killed in Afghanistan.

On Sunday, Biden met with service members' families and attended his first dignified transfer as president. Footage from the 45-minute ceremony shows Biden bowing his head and placing his hand over his heart as 11 caskets are carried off a plane and into gray vans. Two other transfers were conducted in private.

The way Biden paid his respects to the fallen service members is similar to what Trump did during his presidency.

The image of Trump in the Facebook posts appears to stem from a New York Times article published Nov. 21, 2019, when Trump attended a dignified transfer at Dover Air Force base to honor two Army soldiers killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan. During the brief ceremony, Trump saluted as two caskets were carried into a waiting van.

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For Biden, he did appear to check his watch during his visit to Dover Air Force Base. But he did so after the dignified transfer ceremony was over.

Footage leading up to the moment shows Biden with his hand over his heart for about 30 seconds as vans carry the service members' remains off the tarmac. After the vans had left, Biden closes his eyes briefly before dropping his arms and glancing down at his watch.

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At that point, everyone else in the video also stands at ease, indicating that the ceremony was over. About 35 seconds later, Biden and the first lady walk off the tarmac toward a black SUV.

USA TODAY reached out to the White House for comment.

Our rating: Partly false

Based on our research, we rate PARTLY FALSE the claim that Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Biden checked his watch. The pictures are real, but they don't accurately summarize the two events. The way Biden honored the 11 caskets presented at Dover Air Force Base, with a hand over his heart, was similar to how Trump paid respects to fallen service members during his presidency. Biden checked his watch, but he did so after the ceremony had ended.

Even Snopes disagrees with you:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-check-watch-13/

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15 hours ago, homersapien said:

Yeah, we should have re-elected Trump, right?

Yes.

[creed 1,635]

On 9/11/2021 at 1:35 AM, homersapien said:

Yeah, we should have re-elected Trump, right?

Hell to the NO!

But the current one is a low bar too.

 

Edited September 12, 2021 by creed

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3 hours ago, creed said:

Hell to the NO!

But the current one is a low bar too.

 

It was a binary choice.

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2 minutes ago, homersapien said:

It was a binary choice.

Kind of.

You can always write in a choice.

Or, If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. (Rush - Freewill)

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1 minute ago, creed said:

Kind of.

You can always write in a choice.

Or, If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. (Rush - Freewill)

That's a choice with philosophical rationalizations that avoids the truth, which is, it is still a binary choice terms of the practical outcome.

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On 9/10/2021 at 9:57 AM, jj3jordan said:

Does insulting naval academy cadets count?

 

On 9/10/2021 at 1:12 PM, I_M4_AU said:

How about abandoning American citizens in Afghanistan?

How about abandoning our constituents in Afghanistan? Or needlessly killing 13 soldiers?

Can anyone blame him for looking at his watch? If you were in his place wouldn't you want the hell out of an unnecessary ceremony you caused?