Kay Ivey's take on the unborn

[creed 1,635]

https://www.al.com/opinion/2021/09/gov-kay-ivey-lets-empower-women-and-be-a-voice-for-unborn-children.html

 

Gov. Kay Ivey: Let’s empower women and be a voice for unborn children

Published: 7:00 a.m.

Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey

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By Alabama Governor Kay Ivey

This is an opinion column

The notion that one cannot be an advocate for both women and unborn children is simply wrong. Those that pit women against their unborn babies are not advancing solutions, but instead making these children the unjustified scapegoats when we could be making real, meaningful progress, not only for the women of today, but also of tomorrow. No doubt, that includes those unborn baby girls. If we truly want to continue taking steps forward for women’s rights, let’s empower women and be a voice for unborn children.

In 1973, before our country had even seen a woman serve on the U.S. Supreme Court, Roe. v. Wade was decided, but the debate would fiercely continue. Nearly fifty years later, the people of Alabama and folks around the country hold this issue with such high importance that they put candidates in offices ranging from the White House to their State Legislature based on their willingness to fight for life. Here in Alabama, we will continue this fight until all unborn children are protected once and for all.

Nearly five decades after Roe v. Wade – and we are still fighting this fight.

Many will soon be turning their attention to the abortion case the Supreme Court is hearing this fall: Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. I recently joined on an amicus brief with 11 of my fellow governors urging the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade and restore the authority of states to protect lives of unborn children. This case out of Mississippi not only matters to Mississippi, it matters to Alabama, Texas and all 50 states, because at the end of the day, people’s interests should be and are protected through their elected legislators and governors.

Here in Alabama, we have a deeply held belief that every life is precious and that every life is a sacred gift from God.

Many Americans, myself included, disagreed when Roe v. Wade was handed down in 1973, and in those almost five decades since, so much has changed. We have made incredible advancements – in areas from medicine to the workplace – much of which has to do with women. Since Roe, the viability marker has moved from 28 weeks to 22 weeks, and we can only expect science will further advance that. Women are very much a force in the workplace thanks to shifts in policy and culture. It should be commonplace we see mothers in places like the Supreme Court or in CEO posts. During the pandemic, nurses and teachers, fields dominated by women, were on the frontlines for us. In 2019, for the first time, women made up a majority of law students entering class at The University of Alabama School of Law. The list goes on. We have seen increased paid leave help retain mothers in the workforce. A little more than two years ago in Alabama, I signed the equal pay act into law to help fight any pay disparity. Women no longer have to make a choice between motherhood and a career.

As I like to say, sometimes the best man for a job is a woman. So, why is it that those who are not pro-life continue to say women can’t do both? It’s time we drop that ultimatum.

Being pro-life is being pro-women. As long as I am governor, Alabama will continue forging a path for women and the unborn.

Kay Ivey is governor of the State of Alabama

[AU9377 4,929]

1 hour ago, creed said:

Here in Alabama, we have a deeply held belief that every life is precious and that every life is a sacred gift from God.

Kay Ivey is governor of the State of Alabama

Unless that life is a 15 year old running across the border with Mexico.  The majority would place sharp shooters in towers to mow those precious sacred gifts from God down like kudzu.  I'm in no way advocating for an open border of some kind, but am I right or am I right?

[CoffeeTiger 5,107]

Yes, Ivey, Alabama is well known for it's views on civil rights and liberties. 

 

Just not in the way you're referring to. 

[homersapien 11,370]

Women are "empowered" only if they can make their own decisions about their own bodies.  Having a government supersede those decisions is most certainly not empowerment.

Any arguments to the contrary are pure sophistry.

[CoffeeTiger 5,107]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Women are "empowered" only if they can make their own decisions about their own bodies.  Having a government supersede those decisions is most certainly not empowerment.

Any arguments to the contrary are pure sophistry.

They get around it by saying:

"This is just gods will" 

As if trying to turn the US into "the Handmaids Tale"  is #LifeGoals. 

[PUB78 1,358]

2 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

Yes, Ivey, Alabama is well known for it's views on civil rights and liberties. 

 

Just not in the way you're referring to. 

You are living in the past. It’s always 1965 for you, isn’t it? I bet you were not born then .

[CoffeeTiger 5,107]

2 minutes ago, PUB78 said:

You are living in the past. It’s always 1965 for you, isn’t it? I bet you were not born then .

 

Till late 2019 there were still 8 Counties in Alabama that didn't issue marriage certificates altogether so as not to have to issue them to Gay people as required by federal law....they were actually allowed to do that in accordance to a 1961 Alabama law that was still on the books that allowed counties to refuse marriage certificates...presumably to stop Black people from getting married  or settling in places they weren't wanted. 

 
No doubt at all that Gay marriage would still be illegal to this day in Alabama if not required by Federal law. 

Hell, some places in Alabama would still segregate their water fountains and bathrooms if civil rights laws were never enforced. 

You know Cullman, AL where trump had his recent rally? To this day it's a pretty open secret that Black people are actively discouraged from living or traveling to that city/county. 

 

Yes, Alabama does slowly move forward, but it's almost always because the Federal government and progressives have to drag the state, kicking and screaming, into the modern day. A large number of our citizens and State government aren't going to improve themselves on their own. 

[PUB78 1,358]

8 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

Till late 2019 there were still 8 Counties in Alabama that didn't issue marriage certificates altogether so as not to have to issue them to Gay people as required by federal law....they were actually allowed to do that in accordance to a 1961 Alabama law that was still on the books that allowed counties to refuse marriage certificates...presumably to stop Black people from getting married  or settling in places they weren't wanted. 

 
No doubt at all that Gay marriage would still be illegal to this day in Alabama if not required by Federal law. 

Hell, some places in Alabama would still segregate their water fountains and bathrooms if civil rights laws were never enforced. 

You know Cullman, AL where trump had his recent rally? To this day it's a pretty open secret that Black people are actively discouraged from living or traveling to that city/county. 

 

Yes, Alabama does slowly move forward, but it's almost always because the Federal government and progressives have to drag the state, kicking and screaming, into the modern day. A large number of our citizens and State government aren't going to improve themselves on their own. 

Yes, I have “ heard” that rumor about Cullman. Not sure it is true or ever was factual, but I bet it is not today.

I don’t blame some counties who stopped issuing marriage licenses. Why participate in legalizing perversion? 
On the segregation, see my earlier comment about 1965.

[Leftfield 2,595]

8 minutes ago, PUB78 said:

Yes, I have “ heard” that rumor about Cullman. Not sure it is true or ever was factual, but I bet it is not today.

I think some people in this forum that have personal experience will dispute you. However, it really doesn't matter, because....

 

10 minutes ago, PUB78 said:

I don’t blame some counties who stopped issuing marriage licenses. Why participate in legalizing perversion? 
 

DING, DING, DING, DING, DING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for proving @CoffeeTiger's point, while simultaneously going from zero-to-irrelevant in a split second.

[homersapien 11,370]

11 minutes ago, PUB78 said:

Yes, I have “ heard” that rumor about Cullman. Not sure it is true or ever was factual, but I bet it is not today.

I don’t blame some counties who stopped issuing marriage licenses. Why participate in legalizing perversion? 
 

Man, talking about sabotaging one's own argument.

[AU9377 4,929]

2 hours ago, PUB78 said:

Yes, I have “ heard” that rumor about Cullman. Not sure it is true or ever was factual, but I bet it is not today.

I don’t blame some counties who stopped issuing marriage licenses. Why participate in legalizing perversion? 
On the segregation, see my earlier comment about 1965.

One generation's perversion is another's next door neighbor.  If a free country means anything, it has to, at the very least, mean the freedom to live and share a life with whomever one chooses.  The problem with marriage is that government bestowed on that union privileges and benefits. The fact that some segment of the population was not entitled to those same benefits was the seed that was bound to eventually become a constitutional problem.

Of all the problems and evil forms of hatred that exist in the world, I am confident that this particular perversion (2 people living together and caring for each other) is way down the Lord's give a damn list.

Edited September 13, 2021 by AU9377

[jj3jordan 2,052]

7 hours ago, AU9377 said:

Unless that life is a 15 year old running across the border with Mexico.  The majority would place sharp shooters in towers to mow those precious sacred gifts from God down like kudzu.  I'm in no way advocating for an open border of some kind, but am I right or am I right?

No you are not right.

[jj3jordan 2,052]

6 hours ago, homersapien said:

Women are "empowered" only if they can make their own decisions about their own bodies.  Having a government supersede those decisions is most certainly not empowerment.

Any arguments to the contrary are pure sophistry.

You meant to say make their own decisions about there own bodies and the body of the baby growing inside them.   Some one should advocate for the baby. Can we somehow empower the baby?  My guess is a strong majority of them would choose to avoid the sink.

[jj3jordan 2,052]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

One generation's perversion is another's next door neighbor.  If a free country means anything, it has to, at the very least, mean the freedom to live and share a life with whomever one chooses.  The problem with marriage is that government bestowed on that union privileges and benefits. The fact that some segment of the population was not entitled to those same benefits was the seed that was bound to eventually become a constitutional problem.

Of all the problems and evil forms of hatred that exist in the world, I am confident that this particular perversion (2 people living together and caring for each other) is way down the Lord's give a damn list.

Gets mentioned quite a bit in the Bible. Might not be as far down the list as you think.  People make choices. That is their right. Just don't force me to accept it as normal natural equivalent legitimate sacred or somehow approved by God.

[PUB78 1,358]

8 hours ago, homersapien said:

Man, talking about sabotaging one's own argument.

How’s that Homer?

[PUB78 1,358]

5 hours ago, AU9377 said:

One generation's perversion is another's next door neighbor.  If a free country means anything, it has to, at the very least, mean the freedom to live and share a life with whomever one chooses.  The problem with marriage is that government bestowed on that union privileges and benefits. The fact that some segment of the population was not entitled to those same benefits was the seed that was bound to eventually become a constitutional problem.

Of all the problems and evil forms of hatred that exist in the world, I am confident that this particular perversion (2 people living together and caring for each other) is way down the Lord's give a damn list.

You got it wrong. God’s plan is for a man and woman to be united for life, not two of the same sex.

[homersapien 11,370]

14 hours ago, PUB78 said:

How’s that Homer?

I realize all you Talibaptists want to roll us back a few hundred years but most Americans have moved on with accepting homosexuals - and their marrying each other- as something which does not represent a direct threat (at the very least). 

You know, love one another, live and let live - pretty much all the things Jesus represented.  Your attitude makes no more sense to us than the belief that black people are inferior to white people. 

You would even use our government to persecute them if only you had control. Taliban indeed.

Understand now?

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by homersapien

[Leftfield 2,595]

9 hours ago, PUB78 said:

You got it wrong. God’s plan is for a man and woman to be united for life, not two of the same sex.

Curious as to when He told you His plan. Was it just idle conversation while you guys were having a beer?

[jj3jordan 2,052]

3 hours ago, Leftfield said:

Curious as to when He told you His plan. Was it just idle conversation while you guys were having a beer?

Well no conversation with God would be considered idle, at least for me. But for someone who might not believe me or 78, He wrote it down fairly clearly for you. You can make your own choice after that.

[CoffeeTiger 5,107]

An

13 hours ago, PUB78 said:

You got it wrong. God’s plan is for a man and woman to be united for life, not two of the same sex.

Do you view Divorce as unbiblical except for the one sin of adultery? 

If a Christian has a unbiblical divorce are they then forbidden from re-marrying and if they do, isn't it a sinful marriage on the same level as a same sex one? 

[PUB78 1,358]

13 hours ago, homersapien said:

I realize all you Talibaptists want to roll us back a few hundred years but by most Americans have moved on with accepting homosexuality and their marrying each other, as something which does not represent a direct threat (at the very least). 

You know, love one another, live and let live, pretty much all the things Jesus represented.  Your attitude makes no more sense to us than the belief that black people are inferior to white people. 

You would even use our government to persecute them if only you had control. Taliban indeed.

Understand now?

 

What I do understand is that atheists/socialists like you are destroying our country.  And, you probably will in the near future, but you lose in the end for all of enternity.

[PUB78 1,358]

5 hours ago, Leftfield said:

Curious as to when He told you His plan. Was it just idle conversation while you guys were having a beer?

You ever read the Bible, the divinely inspired word of God? Or do you think it is just a “ fairy tale “?

[PUB78 1,358]

51 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

An

Do you view Divorce as unbiblical except for the one sin of adultery? 

If a Christian has a unbiblical divorce are they then forbidden from re-marrying and if they do, isn't it a sinful marriage on the same level as a same sex one? 

No, desertion is another Biblical reason for divorce.

On your 2nd question, no. Although a sin it is not an abomination as is homosexuality to God.

[homersapien 11,370]

19 minutes ago, PUB78 said:

What I do understand is that atheists/socialists like you are destroying our country.  And, you probably will in the near future, but you lose in the end for all of enternity.

If so, then why don't you just mind your own business and stop calling for the government to prohibit other people from getting married?

After all, compared to "enternity" does it really matter what they do?

[homersapien 11,370]

5 hours ago, Leftfield said:

Curious as to when He told you His plan. Was it just idle conversation while you guys were having a beer?

He and a couple of Taliban had a seance session.