$10 minimum wage costing Mass. jobs

[TitanTiger 20,499]

People get paid a lot of $ to make bad decisions regarding this sort of stuff.

Why does what i think concern you so much ?

You brought her up. I assumed that you weren't just unhappy with her expectations for more pay or more benefits, but that you had some idea of what ought to be done instead. My bad. Gave you too much credit.

[AURaptor 1,125]

Too much credit ? Hell , you look her up and give her a job then.

[aujeff11 6,243]

It's how the news is reported that determines the " story " being put out.

It was reported that a hard working woman died while trying to nap in between jobs. This story wasn't meant to spark a debate over minimum wage at alll, it just happens to support a premise of mine. I don't see any bias whatsoever.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

Too much credit ? Hell , you look her up and give her a job then.

Yeah. I made the mistake of thinking you had actually put some thought into the implications of your complaints. Instead it was just a mindless rant with no real idea what to do differently.

[channonc 466]

I just heard a local story on the radio about how some fast food workers are protesting, wanting a $15 minimum wage. One lady interviewed said that she could not make ends meet and feed her 10 kids on what they are paying her.

Repeat - her 10 kids.

Why in the hell is it OUR responsibility to pay for her life choices?

First, her life choices are stupid, I agree. But I have a question on this:

What do you propose to do about the kids? Obviously the kid had no say in this. They were born into the family they were born into. It's not their fault their mom is too dumb to abstain from sex or use birth control to limit the number of kids she has. So what do you propose we do? Let them starve? Pull them out of the home and put them in foster care or an orphanage? There's a ton of money associated with either of those options too.

The bottom line is, they are kids and its not their fault they exist or that their mom is who she is and didn't plan. They still need to be taken care of unless you're proposing letting them starve and casting them into the streets.

Who cares if these kids are homeless and starving? She should start her own small business which would pay her more so she can afford to take care of her kids.

[channonc 466]

10 kids or no kids, it really doesn't make a difference. Her choices are her choices. Oh yeah, she also mentioned that she was on food stamps too. Give me give me give me

Of course she is. Minimum wage can't sustain her and her family.

[AURaptor 1,125]

Again, I'm not the Lord, King, or person in charge of everything in the world. Implications? Those on her, because she is the one who made those decisions. Not me. I love how others get so sanctimonious when they don't like an honest answer.

[channonc 466]

Again, I'm not the Lord, King, or person in charge of everything in the world. Implications? Those on her, because she is the one who made those decisions. Not me. I love how others get so sanctimonious when they don't like an honest answer.

But to Titan's question, what now? This isn't so black and white. The kids are here, mistake has been made, now what?

[TitanTiger 20,499]

Again, I'm not the Lord, King, or person in charge of everything in the world. Implications? Those on her, because she is the one who made those decisions. Not me. I love how others get so sanctimonious when they don't like an honest answer.

It's not being sanctimonious. It's asking whether there's any thought beyond just bitching.

We don't have to like her decisions. But the kids are here, they are human beings and it's not their fault their mom does dumb things. What do you propose we do about it? Cut her (them) off from benefits?

Do you not even have a general idea of what we should do about it when this happens?

[TheBlueVue 177]

UC Berkley's response to California's new $15 an hour minimum wage.......fire 500 people and that's just the start. Wonder how those folks feel about the new minimum wage law? When the govt tries to mandate the value of labor it will invariably precipitate loss of hours and loss of jobs. Life presents no guarantees of prosperity and it's NOT the govt's job either.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/04/13/uc-berkeley-to-cut-500-jobs/

[AURaptor 1,125]

UC Berkley's response to California's new $15 an hour minimum wage.......fire 500 people and that's just the start. Wonder how those folks feel about the new minimum wage law? When the govt tries to mandate the value of labor it will invariably precipitate loss of hours and loss of jobs. Life presents no guarantees of prosperity and it's NOT the govt's job either.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/04/13/uc-berkeley-to-cut-500-jobs/

Those who push for $ 15 for min wage CARE more.

They just do

[aujeff11 6,243]

UC Berkley's response to California's new $15 an hour minimum wage.......fire 500 people and that's just the start. Wonder how those folks feel about the new minimum wage law? When the govt tries to mandate the value of labor it will invariably precipitate loss of hours and loss of jobs. Life presents no guarantees of prosperity and it's NOT the govt's job either.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/04/13/uc-berkeley-to-cut-500-jobs/

Those who push for $ 15 for min wage CARE more.

They just do

With California's standard of living, maybe the human rights groups should tell the rockstars to boycott their scheduled concerts there then. Since they are activists for human decency and all..

[homersapien 11,386]

Again, I'm not the Lord, King, or person in charge of everything in the world. Implications? Those on her, because she is the one who made those decisions. Not me. I love how others get so sanctimonious when they don't like an honest answer.

It's not being sanctimonious. It's asking whether there's any thought beyond just bitching.

We don't have to like her decisions. But the kids are here, they are human beings and it's not their fault their mom does dumb things. What do you propose we do about it? Cut her (them) off from benefits?

Do you not even have a general idea of what we should do about it when this happens?

Apparently - and assuming he wouldn't simply prefer to see them starve - Raptor would rather this woman live off welfare instead of trying to work for a living.

[AURaptor 1,125]

Sure go ahead make up any lie you want to about me. Or what I think.

Standard Alinsky tactics at play here. Attack the individual and ignore what they're saying completely. Do whatever you can to distract away from the actual issue.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

Sure go ahead make up any lie you want to about me. Or what I think.

Standard Alinsky tactics at play here. Attack the individual and ignore what they're saying completely. Do whatever you can to distract away from the actual issue.

I'm not attacking you though. I'm genuinely interested in your ideas about what to do about such things. You don't think she deserves $15 an hour and it definitely bothers you that she can get various welfare benefits based on these kids, so I'm wanting to know what, if anything, can be done now that they are here. We can't unring that bell, so what now?

[homersapien 11,386]

Sure go ahead make up any lie you want to about me. Or what I think.

Standard Alinsky tactics at play here. Attack the individual and ignore what they're saying completely. Do whatever you can to distract away from the actual issue.

Am I overlooking an alternative here?

Oh, yeah! Starting her own business!

[AURaptor 1,125]

My issue isn't just about her as an individual. It's about a country that's pretty much in the same damn situation, with the $20 trillion debt. We can't not start paying people and ignore obligations , can we? No, but we have to do something.

Nobody wants to pay attention to the solutions. It's just pay out more & more money under the guise that "It's for the children" , or toss out innane jargon like "those aren't our values".

Which has absolutely no meaning.

Look it's no surprise as what happened here. We have bitten off far more than we can chew. Everyone knew this was coming, just as the woman who got 10 kids knew what would happen if she kept on getting pregnant. Now we throw our hands up and say " oh , woe is me ! whatever shall I do?! "

Sorry, this is your mess. Deal with it.

[channonc 466]

My issue isn't just about her as an individual. It's about a country that's pretty much in the same damn situation, with the $20 trillion debt. We can't not start paying people and ignore obligations , can we? No, but we have to do something.

Nobody wants to pay attention to the solutions. It's just pay out more & more money under the guise that "It's for the children" , or toss out innane jargon like "those aren't our values".

Which has absolutely no meaning.

Look it's no surprise as what happened here. We have bitten off for more than we can chew. Everyone knew this was coming, just as the woman who got 10 kids knew what would happen if she kept on getting pregnant. Now we throw our hands up and say " oh , woe is me ! whatever shall I do?! "

Sorry, this is your mess. Deal with it.

(emphasis mine). Ok, so homeless and starvation. Got it.

[AURaptor 1,125]

Again, you're making up a complete bull**** just because you do not want to deal with the situation. Lie about what others are saying, demagogue them and paint them as a villain, as you ignore the realities of the world.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

Again, you're making up a complete bull**** just because you do not want to deal with the situation. Lie about what others are saying, demagogue them and paint them as a villain, as you ignore the realities of the world.

You leave the door wide open for people to put words in your mouth becuase you can't won't offer anything resembling a solution. You won't say how you'd handle a situation like this where the deed is done. Or even if it wasn't done. You tell a woman that from now on, we won't support anything beyond 3 kids. Then she has #4 and #5. What do you do? No more benefits? The kids have to survive on enough food for three people divided amongst five?

[AURaptor 1,125]

OK, here's the solution. Give her free rent have a 5000 square-foot house. Completely furnished free electricity free cable ( basic ) and free food for everybody. Add in free healthcare, and free Wi-Fi, of course.

Now, here's the kicker. Starting tomorrow, any mother who cannot raise her own children will have to give them up for adoption. If she continues to have kids for what she cannot care for, take her in the custody and forcibly sterilize her. Giving up those other kids for adoption as well. There, there's your damn solution.

[aujeff11 6,243]

OK, here's the solution. Give her free rent have a 5000 square-foot house. Completely furnished free electricity free cable ( basic ) and free food for everybody. Add in free healthcare, and free Wi-Fi, of course.

Now, here's the kicker. Starting tomorrow, any mother who cannot raise her own children will have to give them up for adoption. If she continues to have kids for what she cannot care for, take her in the custody and forcibly sterilize her. Giving up those other kids for adoption as well. There, there's your damn solution.

Please don't ever make fun of commies or socialists again. You're far worst.

[wdefromtx 3,159]

Provide the resources to the ones that are making minimum wage a way to better themselves to get a position that pays above minimum wage. If they don't want to take advantage of that then they stay at minimum wage.

[AURaptor 1,125]

OK, here's the solution. Give her free rent have a 5000 square-foot house. Completely furnished free electricity free cable ( basic ) and free food for everybody. Add in free healthcare, and free Wi-Fi, of course.

Now, here's the kicker. Starting tomorrow, any mother who cannot raise her own children will have to give them up for adoption. If she continues to have kids for what she cannot care for, take her in the custody and forcibly sterilize her. Giving up those other kids for adoption as well. There, there's your damn solution.

Please don't ever make fun of commies or socialists again. You're far worst.

:roflol:/> !!!

This proves you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Socialist paradise or totalitarian nightmare, even when given both choices you reject them out right. Nothing is ever good enough for you. You just want a utopian world without any consequences.

[aujeff11 6,243]

"Forcibly sterilize her "

How sick