The GOP Is America’s Party of White Nationalism

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7 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Thanks for confirming the premise of the thread.

Again.

The premise is false. You've offered nothing but cultist talking points and loop thinking... ' You don't agree so you're racist, so you don't agree, so you're racist ... " 

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15 minutes ago, AURaptor said:

You literally didn't add anything to the discussion, USN. I asked because , unlike some here, I don't blindly buy what some opinionated dork who writes a column w/ the sole purpose of trashing anyone who dares to speak out against " multi-culturalism "  is selling  by casting a huge net over everyone who doesn't agree w / them and brands them  " racists ! " . 

Your thinking is simplistic. Tribal, even. Those not with you are the enemy. 

 

Books written by 'opinionated dork"

http://www.maxboot.net/books.html

Books written by Raptor:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well at least you've got 30k plus posts on an obscure sports forum so good job.

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2 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

You apparently choose to be a victim.

Only because it is illegal to kill her.

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11 minutes ago, AUUSN said:

Books written by 'opinionated dork"

http://www.maxboot.net/books.html

Books written by Raptor

 

Well at least you've got 30k plus posts on an obscure sports forum so good job.

Hitler wrote a book too. 

I guess he's a bigger hero to you than I am ?

I'm fine w/ that. 

( Also,unlike mr boot, I wasn't born in Russia ) 

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Just now, AURaptor said:

Hitler wrote a book too. 

I guess he's a bigger hero to you than I am ?

I'm fine w/ that. 

 

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12 hours ago, homersapien said:

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a9129973/steve-king-quotes-abortion-immigration/

thanks homer but I denounced cosmopolitan years ago. D+ for effort 

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16 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

thanks homer but I denounced cosmopolitan years ago. D+ for effort 

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1 minute ago, homersapien said:

A quote is a quote.

http://www.azquotes.com/author/8053-Steve_King

 

When the legislation that passed in the farm bill that says that it’s a federal crime to watch animals fight or to induce someone else to watch an animal fight but it’s not a federal crime to induce somebody to watch people fighting, there’s something wrong with the priorities of people that think like that.

Any idea on the context of this quote ? 

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https://thinkprogress.org/rep-king-designs-electrified-fence-for-southern-border-we-do-this-with-livestock-all-the-time-33531b757c87#.a3s13tk4m

Rep. King Designs Electrified Fence For Southern Border: ‘We Do This With Livestock All The Time’

 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/07/20/historian-reacts-to-that-weird-thing-rep-steve-king-said-about-whites-and-sub-groups/?utm_term=.3752ad87428e

Historians have a lesson for Rep. Steve King.

King, a Republican from Iowa, was on an MSNBC panel Monday night talking about the Republican presidential convention. Here, according to this story by my colleague Philip Bump, is how part of the conversation went:

The group, led by Chris Hayes, was discussing the first day of the Republican national convention and Donald Trump’s history of racially loaded comments and behavior. King told Hayes that he thought Trump had “modified” his behavior in that regard, but Esquire’s Charlie Pierce said he didn’t see much diversity reflected in the gathering itself.

“If you’re really optimistic, you can say that this is the last time that old white people will command the Republican Party’s attention, its platform, its public face,” Pierce said. “That hall is wired,” he continued. “That hall is wired by loud, unhappy, dissatisfied white people.”

King objected.

“This ‘old white people’ business does get a little tired, Charlie,” King said. “I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you’re talking about, where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”

“Than white people?” Hayes asked, clearly amazed.

“Than, than Western civilization itself,” King replied. “It’s rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”

 

Here are responses from some historians:

Charles S. Maier
Leverett Saltonstall Professor of History
Harvard University

The appropriate reaction to Congressman King is not to engage in a competitive tally of the achievements of Western civilization vs. the contributions of other cultures. Keeping that sort of score has little to do with the issue of whether the GOP is open or closed to the contemporary pluralism of American society. Of course his statement overlooks the legacies of other civilizations, but that’s not what’s at stake here. The Chinese have run a huge cohesive political system for 3,000 years; Arab thinkers preserved Greek classics and developed sophisticated mathematics; most large societies have left us remarkable aesthetic achievements. And if we’re counting, shouldn’t we assign negative numbers to shadow sides of European civilization — the Holocaust, say, or the atrocities in colonial plantations?

But let’s be fair: When I attended Harvard College at the end of the 1950s, we were infused with a glorified notion of Western civilization; it was the basis for so-called general education. The point is that the ethnic homogeneity of the Republican Party cannot be justified on the basis of Plato or Michelangelo or even John Locke — the job of a national political party is to represent the cultures and enduring values of the society it aspires to govern. And in this respect, the Republicans have abdicated a role that all the major parties in a democratic society should be playing.

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Joel Beinin
Donald J. McLachlan Professor of History
Stanford University

Speaking to a panel convened by MSNBC, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) opined, “This ‘old white people’ business does get a little tired, Charlie (Pierce)….I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you’re talking about, where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”

(Chris) Hayes asked: “Than white people?”

“Than, than Western civilization itself,” King said. “It’s rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”

Less than 48 hours later Rep. King confirmed in a live TV interview with Philip Rucker that his remarks were not inadvertent and were intended as an affirmation of white supremacy by asking “what ‘subgroups’ besides white people had made any contributions to civilization.”?

Mocking and correcting ignorant and malicious statements by Republicans has emerged as a highly competitive sport in this electoral season. I enter the field with no training as a comedian. My qualifications are solely having written and taught about the history of the intertwining of Jewish, Muslim, and Christian cultures in the Mediterranean region.

Rep. King asserts that what makes “Western civilization” great is that it has a unique capacity to borrow from other cultures. That’s not quite how cultural exchange works. All cultures borrow from their neighbors, far and near. But, such exchanges are often circular and multidirectional, not linear.

When the Muslims conquered and occupied Spain from the early 8th to the late 15th centuries, they introduced 17 different new foods, mostly from parts of South Asia, which they had also conquered. Among them are well known “Spanish” fruits like the Seville orange. “Western” Spain, under Muslim rule for over 700 years, was the secondary recipient of Muslim developments of Greek and Hindu culture.

Whiteness isn’t a natural historical category. Who is considered “white” has changed over time. Jews, Irish, and Italians – whose whiteness is unquestioned, beyond white supremacist fringe groups, in the United States today – were not considered so less than a century ago.

“Judeo-Christian civilization,” a term popular among Republican evangelicals and others, came into common usage only after the Holocaust. Both Catholic and Protestant Christianity had spent the better part of the previous 2,000 years excoriating Jews for being “Christ killers.” That charge is historically inaccurate. But it made no difference to the righteous Catholics who slaughtered Jews in the Rhine Valley before advancing to wreak havoc in the Holy Land in the 1stCrusade or to Orthodox Christian pogromists, whose depredations led to the mass migration of some 2 million Jews from the Russian Empire to the United States from the 1880s to the 1920s.

For hundreds of years after the rise of Islam in 632, it made more sense to speak of a “Judeo-Islamic civilization,” a term whose positive content is difficult to imagine today. Jews and Muslims often found themselves aligned against Christians. When the “Catholic Monarchs” Ferdinand and Isabella expelled all Jews and Muslims from Spain in 1492, the Ottoman Sultan, astonished by the stupidity of eliminating so talented and useful a population, welcomed Spanish Jews into his realm.

Rep. King views Western Civilization as residing in “Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of America (why not also Canada, which has universal health care and stronger trade unions?). If the term “Western Civilization” refers to any historical reality, it would have to be rooted in Latin-speaking Catholic Christianity as opposed to Greek-speaking Eastern Orthodox Christianity. Latin Christians literally forgot the entire heritage of classical Greek learning because even most of the highly educated among them stopped reading Greek.

Under the patronage of the court of the Muslim Caliph Harun al-Rashid (786-809) in Baghdad, Jews and Eastern Christians systematically translated Greek philosophical, mathematical, medical, and scientific works into Arabic. The Arabic roots of hundreds of words like algebra, algorithm, alchemy azimuth, zenith, and cipher (zero, from Hindu mathematics) testify to Muslim contributions to mathematics, medicine, astronomy and other sciences. “Islamic civilization,” had no difficulty borrowing from Greek and Hindu science, and philosophy.

Muslim scholars made enormous advances in these fields and shared their knowledge with Arabic speaking Christians and Jews in Muslim-ruled Sicily and Spain. Under the rule of the Spanish Catholic King Alfonso “the wise” (1252-84), Jewish scholars took the lead in rendering Arabic translations of Greek philosophical and scientific works into Latin, making them available to scholars in Western Europe.

So what is commonly imagined as “Western civilization” emerged on a foundation of Muslim and Jewish developments of the Greek and Hindu classical traditions. That’s perhaps too complicated a story for Rep. King and others in his camp.

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1 minute ago, homersapien said:

https://thinkprogress.org/rep-king-designs-electrified-fence-for-southern-border-we-do-this-with-livestock-all-the-time-33531b757c87#.a3s13tk4m

Rep. King Designs Electrified Fence For Southern Border: ‘We Do This With Livestock All The Time’

 

Yeah, sounds about right. I can see you'd rather just toss out random quotes by this guy instead of the bother of even trying to discuss - anything. 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/us/politics/steve-king-babies-civilization.html

Steve King, Hurling Insults at Immigrants, Is Rebuked by His Own Party

Against the backdrop of an emboldened white nationalist movement in the United States, his Twitter post over the weekend — “We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies” — suggested that Mr. King was sliding from his typical messages to something far darker. It was praised by both the white supremacist David Duke and The Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi website.

But it was also quickly criticized by many Republicans, including Speaker Paul D. Ryan, whose office said he “clearly disagrees” with Mr. King, and Representative Carlos Curbelo, Republican of Florida, who is of Cuban descent. Mr. Curbelo responded on Twitter: “What exactly do you mean? Do I qualify as ‘somebody else’s baby?’”

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3 minutes ago, homersapien said:

https://thinkprogress.org/rep-king-designs-electrified-fence-for-southern-border-we-do-this-with-livestock-all-the-time-33531b757c87#.a3s13tk4m

Rep. King Designs Electrified Fence For Southern Border: ‘We Do This With Livestock All The Time’

 

Bad Idea by King. Tried that with horses once. The smart ones learn to run right through it. Never feel the shock.

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Well, Mr King is part right. If we fail to instill " somebody else's babies " with American exceptionalism, then yes, we won't restore our civilization. 

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http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/GOP-needs-to-reject-Rep-Steve-Kings-racismor-own-it.html

GOP needs to reject Rep. Steve King's racism...or own it

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Just now, homersapien said:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/GOP-needs-to-reject-Rep-Steve-Kings-racismor-own-it.html

GOP needs to reject Rep. Steve King's racism...or own it

I'll do neither, and sorry, but you can't force me to be defined by your arbitrary rules. Not going to happen. 

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1 minute ago, SaltyTiger said:

Bad Idea by King. Tried that with horses once. The smart ones learn to run right through it. Never feel the shock.

And thank you for adding your confirmation to the thread premise.

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http://time.com/4699737/jeb-bush-steve-king-comment/

Jeb Bush Says Rep. Steve King's Comments Don't Reflect Our Values

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/03/14/sean-spicer-says-president-trump-does-not-agree-with-steve-king/99175378/

Sean Spicer: President Trump doesn't agree with Rep. Steve King's comments

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1 minute ago, homersapien said:

http://time.com/4699737/jeb-bush-steve-king-comment/

Jeb Bush Says Rep. Steve King's Comments Don't Reflect Our Values

Low energy Jeb ? Well, by golly, if HE sez it, sign me up too !!!

 

 

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http://www.vox.com/identities/2017/3/13/14908184/steve-king-racist

Rep. Steve King’s latest racist remarks are far from his first

From “calves the size of cantaloupes” to “demographics are our destiny,” King has a long history of racism.

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Just now, homersapien said:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/03/14/sean-spicer-says-president-trump-does-not-agree-with-steve-king/99175378/

Sean Spicer: President Trump doesn't agree with Rep. Steve King's comments

well. if trump does not agree he needs to be out of here. Electric fence talk is crazy.

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So, is Trump your President NOW ??
 

 

 

Crassic. 

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I do love how Leftists mags quote mine things and declare " RACISM ! " in an all out effort to demonize someone they want to bury. 

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http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-steve-king-style-of-american-politics

THE STEVE KING STYLE OF AMERICAN POLITICS

 In 1963, the historian Richard Hofstadter delivered a landmark address at Oxford University, titled “The Paranoid Style of American Politics.” Writing against the backdrop of the Cold War and the recent memory of McCarthyism, Hofstadter argued that the hypertensive zeal and conspiracy-mongering that attended McCarthy’s anti-Communism was not a departure from the tradition of American liberalism but a regular feature embedded within it. At various points, movements bearing a familial resemblance to McCarthyism have assailed the hallucinatory menace of anarchists, Catholics, Freemasons, and, at the outset of the Republic, clandestine British loyalists. As Hoftstadter wrote:

The distinguishing thing about the paranoid style is not that its exponents see conspiracies or plot here and there in history but that they regard a “vast” or “gigantic” conspiracy as the motive force in historical events. History is a conspiracy, set in motion by demonic forces of almost transcendent power and what is felt to be needed to defeat it is not the usual methods of political give-and-take but an all-out crusade.

We have had, on too many recent occasions to count, reason to revisit Hofstadter’s exploration of American neurosis. We have come to expect history to be, in some way, repetitive. And so the striking thing about the Trump era is not the clanging echoes of the past but the fact that they have sounded with such fidelity and symmetry. A hundred years ago, America’s entry into the Great War, raging in Europe, attended a spike in paranoid hostilities toward immigrants believed to be sympathetic toward hostile powers. That fear found legislative expression in the Espionage Act of 1917, which greatly enhanced the federal government’s capacity for domestic surveillance. It’s worth recalling that J. Edgar Hoover’s career with the Department of Justice began that same year, with his work ferreting out alleged subversives as part of the Alien Enemy Bureau. The war had not created this nativist impulse; it had simply added a national-security rationale for its existence. The resuscitated Ku Klux Klan—given a transfusion of energy by the 1915 film “Birth of a Nation”—spread across the country and, unlike the earlier version of the organization, became more ecumenical in its hatreds, targeting Jews, Catholics, and immigrants generally. It is difficult to look at ice raids or hear Trumpian arguments that immigrants are dangerous because of what their American-born children may do and not see the shadow of the Palmer Raids, which a century ago targeted Russians, Jews, and especially those who fell into both categories. In short, that paranoid, racialist, xenophobic past seems to an amazing degree to have been superimposed upon the present. There is a sense that we are living inside some future history dissertation.

For this and reasons like it, Congressman Steve King’s comments last weekend about the demographic future of the United States can’t be dismissed as the random Twitter ravings of a paranoiac—though admittedly we’ve gotten into the business of taking these types of statements quite seriously in the weeks since the Inauguration. King tweeted in support of the right-wing Dutch politician Geert Wilders that “Wilders understands that culture and demographics are our destiny. We can’t rebuild our civilization with someone else’s babies.” King defended himself from ensuing charges of racism by pointing out that his tweet said nothing about race. It didn’t have to: the phrase “someone else’s babies” did all the heavy lifting. The tweet, with an amazing degree of economy, channelled the racialist themes that figured prominently in the Trump insurgency last year. It also pointed to another commonality between the past and present. The 2016 election would have looked familiar to Hofstadter in part because the conspiratorial and reactionary politics of the early twentieth century were driven by demographic fears of the exact sort King invoked.

Between 1890 and 1914, roughly fifteen million immigrants entered the United States—almost as many as had entered the country in its entire history to that point. Theodore Roosevelt, who opposed Japanese immigration out of a fear that they were too different from whites ever to be assimilated into American society, also lamented that too few “Anglo-Saxon” women were having children. Nativists demanded new laws restricting immigration and specifically sought to increase the nation’s German and British stock. In 1916, the lawyer and provocateur Madison Grant published “The Passing of the Great Race,” a treatise that argued that American greatness was tied directly to a particular strain of Nordic whiteness, which was now at risk of being diluted by the influx of lower-quality whites from elsewhere on the Continent. When King referenced “culture and demographics,” he was not talking about two distinct concerns but rather harking back to a tradition that saw the former as the invariable product of the latter. As the historian Matthew Guterl described Grant’s thinking, “the white Nordic working class needed to have its race-consciousness awakened if the greatness of America was to survive.” While this era also witnessed the emergence of a “melting pot” ideal of acculturation, it was also commonly thought that this process happened far more quickly and efficiently for Western Europeans than others.

Grant’s ideas undergirded the American eugenics movement of the nineteen-twenties, which was also driven in part by racialist hostility toward immigration and retained authority in what were once marginalized communities of white supremacists in the United States. Dylann Roof, who murdered nine black congregants at the Emanuel A.M.E. Church in June, 2015, revealed a Grantian streak in his writings, which urged whites to develop the kind of racial consciousness that “The Passing of the Great Race” had pointed to a century earlier. While the fear over the specific lineage of American whites has faded—Nell Painter’s “The History of White People” points to exactly how protean the category of “white” has been over time—the over-all sentiment is enjoying a new vogue in an era in which we are practically counting the days until people of color become a numerical majority in the United States.

In the fifty-two years since the United States liberalized its immigration laws—which is to say, since it eliminated the most overtly racialist elements of immigration law—this kind of doomsaying has retained a certain underground currency. King’s sentiments are not unique or novel: they’re racism of a particular vintage, a throwback to the imaginary fears that have animated American politics for a century. The only difference is a context in which he feels empowered to state those ideas in public. His thinking cannot be separated from the Trump Administration’s recalcitrant focus on banning Muslim entry into the United States as the spear’s tip of a larger effort to curtail not only the number of undocumented immigrants but legally authorized immigration as well. It is the slightly more refined rephrasing of the words Adam Purinton said in Olathe, Kansas, before fatally shooting Srinivas Kuchibhotla, a thirty-two-year-old engineer from India whom Purinton had mistaken for an Iranian: Get out of my country.