President chickens out in front of his daddy

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15 hours ago, AUDub said:

If anything, we respect you for it. But as a result, we also expect more. Welcome to the world of your choice of words carrying weight. 

Excellent point.  And it's not like Nola didn't volunteer it or is not proud of it.

I've always considered the law to be one of the more intellectual professions - certainly when it comes to the use of language.  Based on Nola's apparent disregard - or at least casualness - about literal expression, interpretation, use of hypotheticals, etc.,  he's got some adjustments to make if he expects to reach his goal.

This little spat over the significance of Trump's "poor choice of words" is a good example. 

It would really help if he considered critiques honestly (objectively) instead of reacting so defensively.  But I suppose that's another 'maturity issue'.

[homersapien 11,385]

14 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said:

Only if the intent is parallel between all statements. You'd like to dictate my intent, namely that I was trying to minimize, right? 

LOL.

Intent must have been the subject of your latest class.

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17 hours ago, AU64 said:

Not withstanding that liar Brennan's comments, I expect DT does not have much respect for many in the intelligence community after they set him up with the Steele dossier. The leadership of the FBI and intelligence community lost my respect a long time ago...not that it matters of course....but some are wondering who DT is working for but you might also want to consider who the intelligence community is loyal too also.   JMO

 

PS..my distrust in the intelligence community is not about the rank and file...but the top leadership is up their a** in political malfeasance and have repeatedly lied to congress and the American people. 

you bang others for lying but suck up to trump who is one of the biggest liars this country has ever produced.

[aubiefifty 16,803]

dub i think you are wrong about elle. no one on here is going to change their mind. when you provide irrefutable proof and facts they deflect ignore or insult.

[aubiefifty 16,803]

i believe most of this. and i do not care if you like it or not.

 

 

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I think people who say Putin "has something" on Trump are barking up the wrong tree. What could he have on him that Trump would care about? We know Trump is a cheat, from the over 3500 lawsuits filed against him. We know he's a liar - he lies daily, that's easily proven. We know he's an adulterer, that he's paid for sex with porn stars while married to one, that he's accosted women and leered at naked teenaged girls - he's bragged about it.
More reliable sources than Putin have given evidence that Trump is involved in money laundering for Russian oligarchs and shady characters across the globe, that his children regularly do personal business deals while posing as White House agents, and that his staff have attempted to pave the way for the U.S. to cave in to the demands of Russia, and have acted as agents of foreign governments. We know all that. We might be outraged, but his base doesn't care, nor do the GOP legislators. And they wouldn't care if tapes surfaced of Russian hookers urinating on his face, either.
It's not what Putin "has" on him - it's what he offers him. All his worthless life Trump has tried to make the "smart" people like him. He's wanted the respect of billionaires, wanted to party with and date movie stars, wanted to be respected by journalists. But for the most part they all saw him as the crass buffoon that he is. But then came Putin, paving the way to put a puppet at the head of our government (and those of our European allies, too, but none of them have yet succumbed) by creating a giant propaganda machine that appealed to the uninformed, the fearful, as well as the basest of humans among us.
And then came Trump, wanting to build the tallest building in Moscow (which he lied about), probably loans for his failing businesses, but most likely - adulation. Putin had put feelers out to others - but it was Trump who was open for business.
He became Putin's man. and was soon surrounded with shady characters: agents of Russia and other foreign governments; neo-Nazis; conspiracy theorists. They all told him what to do and say to rev up the masses in a frenzy, and Trump became THEIR man. "He says what he thinks," they cried. But whether he thought it or not didn't matter, he said what his handlers told him the masses wanted to hear, whether it was a promise to save the fetuses; keep out the "dark" people, even if he had to torture their babies to do it; or spew wretched bile back at Nazis, as if their chants of hate were true.
Trump got his long sought adulation, and Putin got the first step toward his long stated goal of derailing the global power of Western Democracy.
But as Trump stood on the dais today, sullen and pained looking, not his usual blustering self - I wondered (with the hopeless hopefulness of someone who wants to see humanity in all of us), did he realize for perhaps a moment, that he was the saddest excuse for a man, and not fit to be an American at all?

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7 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

Second, I'm not telling you what you intended, I'm telling you what the phrase means and how it's used.  Your intent is only relevant in that if you meant something other than what you said, then you should tell us.  But we are simply trying to get you to understand why your chosen description of Trump's answer at the presser doesn't cut it.

One would think that if we misunderstood his "intent", he'd clarify what he really meant and apologize for the confusion.

Finito!

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6 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

when the ass kissers known has newt g, paul ryan, and god forbid trey gowdy condemn trump people need to take notice. and that is just three. and also for you pretend rah rah america types you do realize intelligence folks give their lives in cold wars just like soldiers on the battlefield right? you spit on those who served and gave their lives for this country. i am not flamming here but dead serious when i say i am ashamed of some of you.

Excellent points.  

And some of these people questioning the loyalty of our intelligence operatives are the first ones to proclaim "support our troops!" when war breaks out.  The intelligence war is never over.

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37 minutes ago, homersapien said:

This little spat over the significance of Trump's "poor choice of words" is a good example.  It would really help if he considered critiques honestly (objectively) instead of reacting so defensively.  That's another "maturity" issue

Trump  says that he misspoke. I think is what Nola was saying

Trump says he misspoke on Russian meddling during press conference, accepts US intel findings

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6 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

Again, I have no idea what you're saying or why it's apparently of such importance to you.

 

Substituting pseudo-intellectual syntax for plain talk is a clear signal of an empty argument and full ego. 

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Just now, SaltyTiger said:

Trump  says that he misspoke. I think is what Nola was saying

Trump says he misspoke on Russian meddling during press conference, accepts US intel findings

It may have been what Nola intended to say, but it's not the same thing.  "Chose my words poorly" means that the idea you were conveying is valid, but the words you used to do so were indelicate, unnecessarily confusing, or offensive in some way.  You still believe what you said, you just could have stated it better.

Saying you misspoke is saying that you actually said something that is completely different or even the opposite of what you actually meant.  Trump is saying that he actually said the completely wrong thing yesterday.  He meant the exact opposite of the words he spoke.

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3 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

 Trump is saying that he actually said the completely wrong thing yesterday.  He meant the exact opposite of the words he spoke.

Got you. Do you believe President Trump mean't the opposite Titan.

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4 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Got you. Do you believe President Trump mean't the opposite Titan.

To be honest, I'm not sure if he really meant the opposite, or if he's just reneging after the backlash he got from all quarters.  Maybe he did simply say the wrong thing by accident.  I think the more important thing is that at least he's voicing agreement with the US intelligence community on the subject now.   But if it was just a mistake, dear God it was a terrible one.  A real doozy.  It made him (and the US) look weak and those optics aren't washed away completely by backtracking a day later when you're not standing next to Putin anymore.

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6 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

To be honest, I'm not sure if he really meant the opposite, or if he's just reneging after the backlash he got from all quarters.  Maybe he did simply say the wrong thing by accident.  I think the more important thing is that at least he's voicing agreement with the US intelligence community on the subject now.  If it was a mistake, it was a terrible one.  A real doozy.  It made him (and the US) look weak and those optics aren't washed away completely by backtracking a day later when you're not standing next to Putin anymore.

I hope he really mean't the opposite. Surely the man is smart enough to realize the backlash. The day after clarification helps a little with pro Trumpers,  not with anyone else including the media....... JMO.

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21 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Substituting pseudo-intellectual eloquence for plain talk is a clear signal of an empty argument and full ego. 

When I was that age, I preferred a good ol' nudie mag to a thesaurus and a message board when I needed some "me" time, but to each his own.

It's genuinely painful to read the top-quoted posts. Reminds me of the English papers I wrote in high school, when I was erudite but vapid, and before my AP teacher taught us that it's the content that matters.

As for trump, lol. "I meant the exact opposite of everything I said!" 

[homersapien 11,385]

50 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Trump  says that he misspoke. I think is what Nola was saying

 

No, Nola was obviously characterizing Trump's performance as a "poor choice of words", as if that was all it was.

And what do you expect Trump to say now?   He's desperately trying to walk his statements back after reviewing the 'ratings'. There aren't too many ways of doing that other than saying he didn't really mean what he said. And what does that say about Trump's fitness for the office?

Consider all the circumstances regarding this meeting and the fact his advisors were practically begging him not to have it.   And now he's telling us he just didn't have his s*** together when it happened?!   This, coming from a self-styled master negotiator who "has the best words"??! 

Trump is a narcissistic psychopath who's really not all that smart.  He is in WAY over his head and is obviously unfit for the office.  You need to start trying to deal with that truth instead of avoiding it.

 

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19 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

When I was that age, I preferred a good ol' nudie mag to a thesaurus and a message board when I needed some "me" time, but to each his own.

It's genuinely painful to read the top-quoted posts. Reminds me of the English papers I wrote in high school, when I was erudite but vapid, and before my AP teacher taught us that it's the content that matters.

As for trump, lol. "I meant the exact opposite of everything I said!" Ya damned monkeys. He turns the crank and y'all just dance, dance, dance. 

It's a phase that most of us go through, but I've seen it done by "professionals" also.

In my first post-graduate job, I was writing up some experimental results and my boss suggested I substitute the terms "biologically terminated" for "spoiled".      He was one of "those guys".  (I didn't do it though.)

Academic writing - as in published papers - tends to be stylistically formal.  While there is a place for it - including the law - it comes across as affected in a forum such as this.

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50 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Trump  says that he misspoke. I think is what Nola was saying

Trump says he misspoke on Russian meddling during press conference, accepts US intel findings

Good for him. At least he has said he misspoke regarding our intelligence. Not many politicians would do that. I respect him even more as POTUS.

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22 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Good for him. At least he has said he misspoke regarding our intelligence. Not many politicians would do that. I respect him even more as POTUS.

He's got more confidence in our intel services than I do...keeping in mind that they spy and lie for a living, it's hard to know what to believe sometimes and if they actually bought in to the Steele dossier as being accurate it makes me wonder how perceptive they are or maybe the deception fit their pre-conceptions.  

CIA and others have missed too many important warning signs over the years and also have pointed the US in the wrong direction too.   I'm glad DT backtracked on his statement but I'm still  betting that he has little trust or belief in the Obama intel leadership after seeing them in action.   It's  been fun to watch the dems become the party of the military and intelligence services after they spent decades distrusting both and trying to limit their capabilities.. 

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1 hour ago, SaltyTiger said:

Trump  says that he misspoke. I think is what Nola was saying

Trump says he misspoke on Russian meddling during press conference, accepts US intel findings

i think he is lying because he has a lot of folks pissed over what he said. hell when fox bangs him and several did you know he screwed up. but no excuse. you meet your countries mortal enemy you should have your stuff together. and he ignored what he was prepared to do by the white house staff. i missed it but heard where they actually said that. it is reckless and dumb. and it is an insult to all the people who gave their lives in the intelligence world. and trust me it happens.

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3 hours ago, homersapien said:

Well, on the positive side, he's only 20-something so he's got his entire adult life left to develop.  That's no guarantee - as PT so aptly proves - but it at least it offers some hope.

In the meantime, it would be nice to see him drop this ridiculous arrogance. 

 

3 hours ago, homersapien said:

Excellent point.  And it's not like Nola didn't volunteer it or is not proud of it.

I've always considered the law to be one of the more intellectual professions - certainly when it comes to the use of language.  Based on Nola's apparent disregard - or at least casualness - about literal expression, interpretation, use of hypotheticals, etc.,  he's got some adjustments to make if he expects to reach his goal.

This little spat over the significance of Trump's "poor choice of words" is a good example. 

It would really help if he considered critiques honestly (objectively) instead of reacting so defensively.  But I suppose that's another 'maturity issue'.

 

3 hours ago, homersapien said:

LOL.

Intent must have been the subject of your latest class.

I'm really sick and tired of your ad hominem attacks on my personal life that you constantly throw at me from behind your computer screen. You're a bully and a jerk. It's cheap and uncalled for. I would appreciate if you would stop. If you're truly this interested in my choice of profession and my ability to do it, let me send you some of the work I have done and base your judgements off of that. Deal? You know nothing about my goals nor my ability to do what I do well. Again, the brief interactions I have on here are not indicative of my ability to perform my profession. Perhaps you have the decency to respect my wishes, but I won't count on it.  Grow up. People are taking dispute with a snippet of what I said regarding Trump's comments after meeting with Putin - an insufficient base line to draw the specific conclusions that are being thrown around about me in regards to my personal life. 

Also and notably, if my dad or grandfather were saying these things to a 20-something year old, I'd be ashamed. Are you really so insecure about yourself? 

Finally and again, I wasn't offering a summation of what happened. Here you are again, piggy-backing off of the arguments of others and simultaneously spewing out opinions on my choice of profession.

 

And If you must know, I am in the top ten percent of my class and have honors in trial advocacy. I must be pretty good at presenting arguments in front of judges and on law exams. Let me guess, LSU is just a s***ty law school? Please, let me send you a paper I wrote. 

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2 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

It may have been what Nola intended to say, but it's not the same thing.  "Chose my words poorly" means that the idea you were conveying is valid, but the words you used to do so were indelicate, unnecessarily confusing, or offensive in some way.  You still believe what you said, you just could have stated it better.

Saying you misspoke is saying that you actually said something that is completely different or even the opposite of what you actually meant.  Trump is saying that he actually said the completely wrong thing yesterday.  He meant the exact opposite of the words he spoke.

Y'all acted like it was the summation of my take on the entire thing. Please, just try to see it from my perspective. You're reasonable enough to do so, I think. 

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well say he did actually misspoke there. what about the countless times he has refused to acknowledge or minimize. the intelligence communities assessment outside of this press conference. also in the press conference he sure made a tremendous effort to note that Putin made a very strong defense against Russia meddling. why did he say that?  truth is action means more than words. if trump truly believes Russia interfered and is concerned why hasn't he directed Congress to beef up security before the 2018 elections.

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2 hours ago, homersapien said:

No, Nola was obviously characterizing Trump's performance as a "poor choice of words", as if that was all it was.

Based off an omission, i.e., what I didn't say? That's ludicrous to assert such a thing. In the face of my objection you still propose "to tell me what I intended in that one single phrase." How preposterous. You're smarter than this. Quit being hellbent on stirring the pot. 

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36 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said:

Y'all acted like it was the summation of my take on the entire thing. Please, just try to see it from my perspective. You're reasonable enough to do so, I think. 

I wasn't trying to bash you or anything.  I was just responding to Salty as to the (meaningful) distinction in the terms.

[TitanTiger 20,498]

35 minutes ago, shabby said:

well say he did actually misspoke there. what about the countless times he has refused to acknowledge or minimize. the intelligence communities assessment outside of this press conference. also in the press conference he sure made a tremendous effort to note that Putin made a very strong defense against Russia meddling. why did he say that?  truth is action means more than words. if trump truly believes Russia interfered and is concerned why hasn't he directed Congress to beef up security before the 2018 elections.

Look, if he's admitting error, it's already progress.  These are lessons most of us learned at a young age, but better late than never.