Nate Craig-Myers

[Charleston Tiger 134]

5 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Do you think that's an apples-to-apples comparison? Do you think NCM and those guys should be running the same routes? Aren't they listed at different positions on the depth chart? Do you think that NCM running a different route elsewhere might have something to do with those guys getting open? What are those guys doing when NCM Is running that route, whichever route it is you're referring to? How often is NCM matchedup on a linebacker vs a DB compared to the other guys? 

Will Hastings was on the sideline with an ACL injury, and has consistently proven when on the field that he can be trusted to catch the ball. I feel (don't have time to look up the numbers so don't crucify me for it) like I've seen a lot more drops out of NCM than Will Hastings over the last 2 years. As for Davis, it was mentioned above - NCM is a better blocker and Davis is faster than NCM. I think our depth chart had better WRs from a catching standpoint than NCM which we used, and he was a better blocker, which based on the set we came out with and the play called, we used him on.

All I can give is my opinion - I've yet to be concerned about anyone who left the team. The only concern I see to it is that we'll be hard-pressed to sell a top TE recruit to us based on the fact that it is a sorely underutilized position ever since Lutz left.

[Charleston Tiger 134]

4 minutes ago, metafour said:

A guy with his size doesn't need to "create separation" over the middle or on crossing routes.  Midget receivers like the two you described do.

NCM is not a bubble-screen receiver and he's not a deep-threat specialist.  That is basically 95% of the WR usage in this stupid offense.  Unfortunately, the things he is good at are things we never bother to do.  They are also things that if implemented would stop making this offense so routinely pathetic.

I just think you and I will have to agree to disagree on his value outside of that as a blocking receiver.

[metafour 4,969]

Just now, Charleston Tiger said:

I just think you and I will have to agree to disagree on his value outside of that as a blocking receiver.

Sounds good.  Continue homering it up for Pee Wee Gus as you wish.

BTW; Will Hastings has dropped a lot of balls LOL.  Seth Williams, the talented kid who has seemingly taken all of NCM's targets, has dropped like half the balls that hit his hands so far this season.

[aucanucktiger 1,794]

19 minutes ago, bigbird said:

That's just wrong.

He routinely was singled out by multiple coaches about how good of a blocker he was.  He was always the guy cracking the LB to seal the edges for the outside runs or to pick off the backers that sprung RD and got him all his  yards. He was a tireless blocker. Saying he wasn't is just an attempt to propt up a weak argument with bad/imagined facts.

And yes, he was given opportunities in practice. Guess what? He started for two years, so I guess he took advantage of those.  

You can be as sarcastic as you like and quote coach speak to the press - maybe you are aggravated by the contemporaneous transfer of Jalen Harris who was a TE in a non-TE system, big strong WR's like NCM fit what GusChip try to do and the fact he was NOT used more also speaks volumes.

[McLoofus 35,182]

7 minutes ago, Charleston Tiger said:

Will Hastings was on the sideline with an ACL injury, and has consistently proven when on the field that he can be trusted to catch the ball. I feel (don't have time to look up the numbers so don't crucify me for it) like I've seen a lot more drops out of NCM than Will Hastings over the last 2 years. As for Davis, it was mentioned above - NCM is a better blocker and Davis is faster than NCM. I think our depth chart had better WRs from a catching standpoint than NCM which we used, and he was a better blocker, which based on the set we came out with and the play called, we used him on.

Respectfully, I'll point out again that NCM and those guys play different positions and run different routes, or at least should be. You're basically suggesting that Brandon Jacobs and Cadillac Williams should have been evaluated and used the exact same way. 

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All I can give is my opinion

Fair enough. 

[metafour 4,969]

5 minutes ago, aucanucktiger said:

big strong WR's like NCM fit what GusChip try to do and the fact he was NOT used more also speaks volumes.

No they don't LOL.

His offense utilizes guys that can specialize in dinky gadget plays (screens, sweeps, etc), and it utilizes deep-threats.  Both are essentially just ways to open up or extend the running game: the gadget plays act as de-facto runs that force the defense to respect the width of the field whereas they would just bottle everything up inside, and the deep plays are there to stop the safeties from crashing everything down.  They also work in opposites, ie: when the run is working they can use the deep threats to punish the defense and achieve easy touchdowns.  The third way that he uses receivers is as blockers, which is what NCM was doing.

There is a reason why when this offense is FORCED to pass (ie: the run is either completely stopped, or we are so far down that running is a waste of time) it can't do ANYTHING.  It is almost useless.  The reason is simple: this offense has no established pass game that works on its own.

[McLoofus 35,182]

4 minutes ago, aucanucktiger said:

 big strong WR's like NCM fit what GusChip try to do

 

Oh, wait, you mean as long as they can block, run the jet sweep and/or have 4.2 speed. Not to catch intermediate passes across the middle or outs. Okay, that makes sense. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

Just now, metafour said:

No they don't LOL.

His offense utilizes guys that can specialize in dinky gadget plays (screens, sweeps, etc), and it utilizes deep-threats.  Both are essentially just ways to open up or extend the running game: the gadget plays act as de-facto runs that force the defense to respect the width of the field whereas they would just bottle everything up inside, and the deep plays are there to stop the safeties from crashing everything down.  They also work in opposites, ie: when the run is working they can use the deep threats to punish the defense and achieve easy touchdowns.  The third way that he uses receivers is as blockers, which is what NCM was doing.

Dude, I'm just gonna let you take it from here. I just keep parroting your comments.

[aucanucktiger 1,794]

Plenty of anger (and logic) management issues on this board this morning.

[DAG 33,983]

My spirit animal right now.

[aucanucktiger 1,794]

Just now, DAG said:

My spirit animal right now.

What else ya got..

[DAG 33,983]

Just now, aucanucktiger said:

What else ya got..

I already rebuttal and gave you a link to your characteristic of what you perceived as a lacking attribution in NCM game. That is a lot more than what most people are offering haha. All opinions, hardly any stats or links to back up what they are offering.

[kevon67 2,368]

17 hours ago, AidiAU said:

Tua is my new crush! 

While I don't approve as an Auburn fan..I can certainly understand why.........just be home before midnight?

[aucanucktiger 1,794]

Just now, DAG said:

I already rebuttal and gave you a link to your characteristic of what you perceived as a lacking attribution in NCM game. That is a lot more than what most people are offering haha. All opinions, hardly any stats or links to back up what they are offering.

So he was not played a lot because he was so good. Stats - specially in sport - are usually the beginning of conversation. Maybe the practices I went to and games I saw were the only ones where he was less than stellar. That could be.

[Jfsmoncrief 10]

18 minutes ago, metafour said:

Sounds good.  Continue homering it up for Pee Wee Gus as you wish.

BTW; Will Hastings has dropped a lot of balls LOL.  Seth Williams, the talented kid who has seemingly taken all of NCM's targets, has dropped like half the balls that hit his hands so far this season.

Facts. Hastings drop a lot at the end of the year . Seth drop two easy ones against ASU. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

13 minutes ago, aucanucktiger said:

Plenty of anger (and logic) management issues on this board this morning.

On that we can agree.

[DAG 33,983]

5 minutes ago, aucanucktiger said:

So he was not played a lot because he was so good. Stats - specially in sport - are usually the beginning of conversation. Maybe the practices I went to and games I saw were the only ones where he was less than stellar. That could be.

What are you even trying to say? He did play a lot because he had an attribute that was well received by the coaching staff which was his blocking. He had to put in the work to get to the point of being an efficient blocker on the perimeter, so it is illogical to downplay him as a player like a handful of you guys are trying to do. 

[corchjay 5,311]

No one is bashing NCM.  Most have been giving him best wishes.  

So did Gus just have it in for him or something because we know Seth plays the same position and has been targeted multiple times now in just a handful of snaps compared to Nate.  

[DAG 33,983]

Still seeking, still seeking, still seeking . If anyone can find a drop to target ratio stat, that would be most welcoming. Figured that would be easy to find but I can’t seem to pull it up anywhere.

[corchjay 5,311]

2 minutes ago, DAG said:

Still seeking, still seeking, still seeking . If anyone can find a drop to target ratio stat, that would be most welcoming. Figured that would be easy to find but I can’t seem to pull it up anywhere.

I looked and can’t find it as well

[bigbird 60,525]

6 minutes ago, DAG said:

Still seeking, still seeking, still seeking . If anyone can find a drop to target ratio stat, that would be most welcoming. Figured that would be easy to find but I can’t seem to pull it up anywhere.

Ricardo Louis 50/50

[DAG 33,983]

8 minutes ago, bigbird said:

Ricardo Louis 50/50

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/auburn-football/ricardo-louis-comments-coaches/

ouch

Ricardo still making that dough. At the end of the day, I just want to see all of our studs find a way to get the opportunity to show the league what they can offer.

[McLoofus 35,182]

16 minutes ago, corchjay said:

No one is bashing NCM.  Most have been giving him best wishes.  

So did Gus just have it in for him or something because we know Seth plays the same position and has been targeted multiple times now in just a handful of snaps compared to Nate.  

If Seth is now called upon to truly replicate NCM's role on the team, we'll see if he's up to the task and if he still gets targeted "regularly" (relative to how often anyone other than Ryan Davis gets targeted in this offense). If he is and he does, well, I'm used to the taste of crow. Still tastes like warmed over ass, though.

[corchjay 5,311]

2 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

If Seth is now called upon to truly replicate NCM's role on the team, we'll see if he's up to the task and if he still gets targeted "regularly" (relative to how often anyone other than Ryan Davis gets targeted in this offense). If he is and he does, well, I'm used to the taste of crow. Still tastes like warmed over ass, though.

Lol but no he won’t be targeted as much as RD because he won’t be a screen guy but true drop back he will be targeted as much or close.  Ryan also has some of the check down routes so I don’t see Seth getting 80 catches but I bet he passes NCM’s career receptions in this season barring injury.  

[The Freak 2,528]

31 minutes ago, DAG said:

Still seeking, still seeking, still seeking . If anyone can find a drop to target ratio stat, that would be most welcoming. Figured that would be easy to find but I can’t seem to pull it up anywhere.

https://247sports.com/Article/Receiver-Nate-Craig-Myers-DB-Jayvaughn-Myers-leave-team-122258106

 

Stats (REC)

Receiving

Team
AUB '17
AUB '16
Total

GP	GS	YDS	YDS/G	REC	TD	TAR	AVG	LNG	20+	FUM	1DN
8	8	184	23.0	9	1	16	20.4	57	3	0	7
5	1	70	14.0	4	1	7	17.5	39	1	0	3
13	9	254	19.5	13	2	23	19.5	57	4	0