Joey Gatewood

[McLoofus 35,182]

7 minutes ago, AU64 said:

No doubt about it.....but Jalen is more "developed" than the previous two but toward a different offensive style....and does not have the speed of the previous guys. Just saying, I don't think we see the same offense....maybe the same video point totals in the Big 12 where defense is an afterthought but ???.

Riley has played an SEC team in each of his 3 seasons as head coach at OU. In order, he played the #2 team in the West, the SEC Championship runner up, and the SEC Champion. In order, he has scored 35, 48 and 31 points. He scored 49 on a Pac 12 team last year and 31 on a Big 10 team the year before.  

You can't diminish what the guy has done. If you want to point to the small sample size, you have more ground to stand on. 

[AU64 10,122]

1 minute ago, McLoofus said:

Riley has played an SEC team in each of his 3 seasons as head coach at OU. In order, he played the #2 team in the West, the SEC Championship runner up, and the SEC Champion. In order, he has scored 35, 48 and 31 points. He scored 49 on a Pac 12 team last year and 31 on a Big 10 team the year before.  

You can't diminish what the guy has done. If you want to point to the small sample size, you have more ground to stand on. 

agreed he's done well, ;but his career as a HC is a small sample too mostly using Stoops's players who were very good.  

JMO but his offense is probably what he has the players to run...which is the way it should be.    The idea of bringing "his offense" to AU means noting unless you have his players too.    I'm saying that with Hurts, the O will not be the same as with Murray....which is the way it should probably be. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

1 minute ago, AU64 said:

could be....but maybe he screwed the guy...getting him to hang around and waste his career with promises that he would get to play...and then hiring Jalen to come in.  

What does that have to do with whether or not he's developing QBs and running a good offense? This seems to be a personal shot at the guy. And you might be on target, but I don't think anybody has vouched for Riley as a human being. 

Quote

   Unfortunately, the guy transferred based on potential and not accomplishments...played very little at OU despite the sooners running roughshod over most opponents ...at a time when Mayfield and Murray were able to pad their stats.   JMO

Again, none of this disputes the fact that he's developing his guys. I suppose it's no guarantee that he developed Kendall, but if Kendall were Gus's guy and then transferred then you'd be saying that just must not have been that good to begin with. And no matter what the reality is, Kendall showed enough to get recruited by another P5 program that has displayed some tasty offenses over the last few years. 

As for padding stats, are you really going to dispute a coach putting his QBs into position to win Heisman trophies???

[DAG 33,982]

1 minute ago, AU64 said:

agreed he's done well, ;but his career as a HC is a small sample too mostly using Stoops's players who were very good.  

JMO but his offense is probably what he has the players to run...which is the way it should be.    The idea of bringing "his offense" to AU means noting unless you have his players too.    I'm saying that with Hurts, the O will not be the same as with Murray....which is the way it should probably be. 

Well I like to think he would recruit his players to Auburn. Again, being a great recruiter also is another aspect of being a very good coach. The ones who continuously win know how to close the deals consistently with the prospects they know can help them keep a job.

[aujeff11 6,243]

Its funny yall list Cam as a five star backup but don’t list Kyler as a composite five star. 

A five star backup is still a five star backup. Kyler at least got meaningful reps his TF year. 

Meanwhile, Nick Marshall was a DB at Georgia. Sometimes,  y’all have to contort your arguments into a pretzel so that it will fit the narrative against Gus and it’s not worth it. Just admit that both coaches benefitted from transfer QBs. 

[DAG 33,982]

Just now, aujeff11 said:

Its funny yall list Cam as a five star backup but don’t list Kyler as a composite five star. 

A five star backup is still a five star backup. Kyler at least got meaningful reps his TF year. 

Meanwhile, Nick Marshall was a DB at Georgia. Sometimes,  y’all have to contort your arguments into a pretzel so that it will fit the narrative against Gus and it’s not worth it. Just admit that both coaches benefitted from transfer QBs. 

Who cares who benefits from transfers? Nobody is disputing that . Kyler Murray was a 5 star QB , feel better? Gus gets credit for getting Cam here and taking his game to the next level. Lincoln gets the same credit. To diminish either one of those two doing that is foolish. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

2 minutes ago, AU64 said:

agreed he's done well, ;but his career as a HC is a small sample too mostly using Stoops's players who were very good.  

He was the OC for those players starting in 2015. They've mostly been guys that he developed and presumably had a big hand in recruiting, too. 

Quote

JMO but his offense is probably what he has the players to run...which is the way it should be.   

Exactly. Would be nice to see more of that in our neck of the woods. 

Quote

The idea of bringing "his offense" to AU means noting unless you have his players too.   

Yes. As head coach at Auburn I'm guessing he would recruit his kind of players.

Quote

I'm saying that with Hurts, the O will not be the same as with Murray....which is the way it should probably be. 

Of course it won't be. Just like it wasn't exactly the same with Murray as it was with Mayfield. Murray ran for 1,000 yards and Mayfield ran for 311 in 2017. 

Hurts probably won't throw for 4300+ like both of those guys did, but OU is returning 2 RBs who both ran for ~1,000 yards last year. In fact, OU was 11th in total rushing yardage last season and led the country in yards per carry. (Alabama was ranked 42nd at almost a yard and a half less per carry.) Sure, a lot of that was predicated on the threat of a pass, but how much easier is the threat of the run going to make it for Hurts to throw the ball? Maybe almost as much easier as the two returning 1,000 yard receivers??? The year after losing a 3-year starter and Heisman-winner?

You can't mitigate that away. You can't diminish it to anything less than spectacular. 

[aujeff11 6,243]

5 minutes ago, DAG said:

Who cares who benefits from transfers? Nobody is disputing that . 

Well judging by your posts, Gus benefits from  recruiting Heismans on the bench, meanwhile, being the God that Lincoln’s riley is, recruited a walk on qb sitting behind Mahomes and turned him into a Heisman. Is that tbe narrative that we are going to keep pushing?

 

I find it funny we still harp on Gus for not being able to win without transfers while we ogle over Riley. Why did Riley go get the former SEC POTY if he can turn water into wine? 

[DAG 33,982]

1 minute ago, aujeff11 said:

Well judging by your posts, Gus benefits from  recruiting Heismans on the bench, meanwhile, being the God that Lincoln’s riley is, recruited a walk on qb sitting behind Mahomes and turned him into a Heisman. Is that tbe narrative that we are going to keep pushing?

You are doing a whole lot of reaching. Read my post again with its context to what I am responding to. 64 basically was saying it was nice for Lincoln Riley to have two Heisman QBs. Yes it is! You still can’t discredit the man for putting them in the position to win. Likewise, you can’t discredit Gus for putting Cam in the position to win. Whether they had Heisman talent or not is irrelevant.

[tbone4jc 2,241]

Joey Gatewood? Y'all should open a thread about LR in another forum, right? IJS

[Slammer1 409]

I was just about to type, is this the definition of "hijacking a thread"?

[DAG 33,982]

15 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

Well judging by your posts, Gus benefits from  recruiting Heismans on the bench, meanwhile, being the God that Lincoln’s riley is, recruited a walk on qb sitting behind Mahomes and turned him into a Heisman. Is that tbe narrative that we are going to keep pushing?

 

I find it funny we still harp on Gus for not being able to win without transfers while we ogle over Riley. Why did Riley go get the former SEC POTY if he can turn water into wine? 

You can find it funny all you like but I am not going to harp on that argument as I have no issue with Gus going out and getting JUCO transfers. You should address that frustration with those who do take issue with that however. You asked me that in another post and I have no clue why.

[aujeff11 6,243]

8 minutes ago, DAG said:

You are doing a whole lot of reaching. Read my post again with its context to what I am responding to. 64 basically was saying it was nice for Lincoln Riley to have two Heisman QBs. Yes it is! You still can’t discredit the man for putting them in the position to win. Likewise, you can’t discredit Gus for putting Cam in the position to win. Whether they had Heisman talent or not is irrelevant.

I read that you said Lincoln shouldn’t be slighted for his development and that Gus shouldn’t be slighted for “getting Cam.” Do you admit Gus also developed Cam and NM for his offense or not?

[DAG 33,982]

Just now, aujeff11 said:

I read that you said Lincoln shouldn’t be slighted for his development and that Gus shouldn’t be slighted for “getting Cam.” Do you admit Gus also developed Cam and NM for his offense or not?

I will let you put two and two together .

[aujeff11 6,243]

1 minute ago, DAG said:

You can find it funny all you like but I am not going to harp on that argument as I have no issue with Gus going out and getting JUCO transfers. You should address that frustration with those who do take issue with that however. You asked me that in another post and I have no clue why.

I quoted you but sometimes it’s not meant at you. lol.

[aujeff11 6,243]

Just now, DAG said:

I will let you put two and two together .

5. Proceed.

[augolf1716 21,140]

Warning language but Joey Joey Joey

 

[McLoofus 35,182]

2 minutes ago, DAG said:

You are doing a whole lot of reaching. Read my post again with its context to what I am responding to. 64 basically was saying it was nice for Lincoln Riley to have two Heisman QBs. Yes it is! You still can’t discredit the man for putting them in the position to win. Likewise, you can’t discredit Gus for putting Cam in the position to win. Whether they had Heisman talent or not is irrelevant.

And what's funny is you're being very generous and not even pointing out that Cam was the most physically gifted QB in history. Or that Riley came within 43 yards last year of having three 1,000 yard rushers to go along with his two 1,000 yard receivers and 4,000 yard passer. Or that Mayfield won his Heisman the year after losing his top 2 RBs, who went for 1,000 each. (But at least it's not like he also lost a 1,500 yard receiver and then had 3 guys over 800 the following ye... oh, wait, my bad. That's exactly what happened.)

Seriously. The numbers the last 3 years are pornographic. One "holy sh**" stat after another. 

B-A-L-A-N-C-E. C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-C-Y. 

Oh, if anybody has anything to add about Gatewood, feel free. Until then, maybe try and remember that our coach is ultra paranoid and there's not any real info to discuss even in the middle of spring practice and you're probably not going to read any bombshells in this thread. 

[DAG 33,982]

Just now, augolf1716 said:

Warning language but Joey Joey Joey

 

Did you really just post Joey Bada$$

Never took you for that type of man Golf haha

[DAG 33,982]

3 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

I quoted you but sometimes it’s not meant at you. lol.

Lol I was about to say. I am the poster child of getting the best person available! I was begging Gus to go after Kelly Bryant and J. Hurts. 

[augolf1716 21,140]

4 minutes ago, DAG said:

Did you really just post Joey Bada$$

Never took you for that type of man Golf haha

Not to hijack this thread but with music I listen to everything. And I mean everything Now back to Joey Joey 

 

[DAG 33,982]

2 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

And what's funny is you're being very generous and not even pointing out that Cam was the most physically gifted QB in history. Or that Riley came within 43 yards last year of having three 1,000 yard rushers to go along with his two 1,000 yard receivers and 4,000 yard passer. Or that Mayfield won his Heisman the year after losing his top 2 RBs, who went for 1,000 each. (But at least it's not like he also lost a 1,500 yard receiver and then had 3 guys over 800 the following ye... oh, wait, my bad. That's exactly what happened.)

Seriously. The numbers the last 3 years are pornographic. One "holy sh**" stat after another. 

B-A-L-A-N-C-E. C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-C-Y. 

Oh, if anybody has anything to add about Gatewood, feel free. Until then, maybe try and remember that our coach is ultra paranoid and there's not any real info to discuss even in the middle of spring practice and you're probably not going to read any bombshells in this thread. 

Joey Gatewood I am thinking will definitely start. IMO, without any knowledge whatsoever, I do think Nix is a better passer (Bias here). But in this offense athleticism is meaningful and if Gus can make Gatewood a quality passer and use his Uber athleticism we will doing some very good things on offense.

[McLoofus 35,182]

18 minutes ago, DAG said:

Joey Gatewood I am thinking will definitely start. IMO, without any knowledge whatsoever, I do think Nix is a better passer (Bias here). But in this offense athleticism is meaningful and if Gus can make Gatewood a quality passer and use his Uber athleticism we will doing some very good things on offense.

We also know that Gus is going to go with whatever is safest in terms of protecting the ball. I see some reasons that might favor Joey at this point in their respective careers. 

 

[toddc 13,194]

LINK

https://oklahoma.forums.rivals.com/forums/oufans-com-sooner-message-board.8/

[DAG 33,982]

7 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

We also know that Gus is going to go with whatever is safest in terms of protecting the ball. I see some reasons that might favor Joey at this point in their respective careers. 

 

Right. Of course , maybe that radio guy is right and MW starts lol. Boy I don’t want to be on this board if that is the case .