Governor Cuomo Announces to New York That He Doesn’t Trust Experts Anymore #Cuomocide *UPDATE - Cuomo RESIGNS*

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On 2/3/2021 at 11:46 AM, I_M4_AU said:

He got a pass for 9 months, wrote a book about it and got an Emmy when it was perfectly obvious the man panicked when the virus hit.  That is the definition of a pass.  If the media actually did their job this would have blown up earlier and maybe have changed the heroes of the COVID.  

The fact that someone, while attempting to tackle a pandemic, got something wrong, doesn't mean that they weren't making every attempt to get things done the right way.  You give a pass to an administration that was telling us to ignore the problem, yet you want to condemn a leader that was dealing with an event in the most impacted state when this all began.

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2 hours ago, AU9377 said:

The fact that someone, while attempting to tackle a pandemic, got something wrong, doesn't mean that they weren't making every attempt to get things done the right way.  You give a pass to an administration that was telling us to ignore the problem, yet you want to condemn a leader that was dealing with an event in the most impacted state when this all began.

Ha! " Got something wrong." That's up there with "something happened on 9/11." That's awesome!

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Andrew Cuomo got a pass as long as he could until the dam broke and revealed the underreported number of covid deaths in nursing homes.

Here's an excellent takedown of not only Cuomo but the media who did very little grilling of him until now because of how glaringly indefensible his actions have been:

 

Cuomo Didn't Protect Seniors From COVID-19. But it Was the Media That Covered it Up | Opinion

 

KAROL MARKOWICZ , COLUMNIST, NEW YORK POST 
ON 2/13/21 AT 7:42 PM EST

 

Things are not looking good for New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. After receiving an Emmy "in recognition of his leadership" and writing a bestselling book called American Crisis: Leadership Lessons from the COVID-19 Pandemic, the toll Cuomo's leadership has taken is finally emerging. On Thursday, the New York Post broke the story that Melissa DeRosa, one of the governor's top aides, apologized to Democratic lawmakers for fudging the number of nursing home deaths from COVID for fear of being investigated.

Such an investigation was long overdue. One of the biggest scandals of the pandemic has been the number of nursing home deaths in New York City, many of them possibly linked to a March 25 directive from the Cuomo administration forcing nursing homes to take in people even if they had tested positive for COVID-19. It would prove a death sentence for thousands of seniors. And to fend off an investigation, the Cuomo administration underestimated the number of nursing home deaths by 40%. The true number was 15,000, not 9,056.

But this isn't just a government scandal. It's a media scandal. For while the Cuomo administration was sentencing seniors to death, the media was busy fawning over Cuomo in a series of softball interviews, many of them conducted by his own brother.

Cuomo has been a television mainstay throughout the crisis, particularly on CNN where his brother, Chris Cuomo, is a host. But it wasn't just his brother who fawned. A June interview with CNN's Chris Cilizza provided Cuomo an opportunity to tout his performance while criticizing that of then-president Donald Trump and Republican governors who had not gone along with economy-crushing lockdowns. Cilizza was more than happy to assist.

 

"We tested both theories," Cuomo told Cilizza. "We have the evidence. It's numbers. It's irrefutable. Why don't we pause and recognize the undeniable reality of the situation?"

"On the numbers, it's hard to disagree," Cilizza dutifully wrote. "On April 9, New York had almost 10,000 coronavirus cases in a single day, according to a tally from Johns Hopkins University. On Friday, it had just 673 cases statewide."

There would be no follow-up article when New York would hit over 14,000 cases in January. No review of what went wrong in Cuomo's "undeniable reality." No comparison to states that found a different "undeniable reality of the situation" and have objectively handled the COVID crisis better.

Cilizza glossed over other numbers: New York had had the most overall COVID deaths of any state, a number only recently surpassed by California, which has nearly double the population. New York spent the pandemic swapping the number one spot of most deaths per capita with New Jersey. On the numbers, it was actually quite easy to disagree with Cuomo's self-assessment that he had done a great job.

But few in the national media landscape would.

It wasn't just Cilizza and it wasn't just CNN, though CNN egregiously led the way in the fawning coverage of the governor. The network had a penchant for handing off interviews of the governor to his adoring brother. They had spent the spring months joshing about big noses, who their ma liked best and whose hands looked more like bananas. It had its charm, but as the pandemic wore on and the interviews continued, it should have been a red flag to anyone concerned with good journalism or a separation between government and the press which is supposed to cover them impartially.

"Obviously, I'll never be objective. Obviously, I think you're the best politician in the country," Chris Cuomo said during a June 24 brotherly interview.

This embarrassing lack of objectivity had spread well beyond family ties. Cuomo-love affected almost all of the governor's coverage. On MSNBC in May, Stephanie Ruhle ever so gently asked about the nursing home death count, and then let the governor ramble on about how his biggest flaw is doing too much, asking no follow-up questions.

Cuomo's June media tour also featured a spot on Good Morning America where hostess Amy Robach referred to him as "homecoming king of this crisis," talked about his love life and urged him to run for president. He did not receive questions about the nursing home deaths.

And this was all before his book was released in October, becoming an instant bestseller. Few in the media seemed to think it was a problem that Cuomo touted his own leadership while the pandemic still raged.

On ABC's The View in October, Sunny Hostin did mention the nursing home controversy, but she allowed Cuomo to get away with denying he ever sent a directive at all—before they went back to discussing his love life.

And anyone who tried to buck the trend was denounced. Fox News Meteorologist Janice Dean lost both of her in-laws in nursing homes following the Cuomo directive and became an outspoken activist, trying her best to find out the truth about what happened. She suffered abuse from the Cuomo administration, including Cuomo's top advisor Rich Azzopardi, who told the Daily Mail, "Last I checked she's not a credible source on anything except maybe the weather."

But Dean turned out to be more credible than Cuomo. New York Attorney General Letitia James released a report in January which found that the Cuomo administration undercounted nursing home deaths. The story, of a Democratic Attorney General targeting New York's Democratic governor, was the first crack in the media narrative.

Back in early April, when the sirens were shrieking nonstop throughout the city, responding to sick COVID-19 patients and keeping New Yorkers up all night, Cilizza recorded a segment for his video series called "The Point" where he gushed that in his daily press conferences, Cuomo alternates between "cheerleader, psychologist and stern but loving parents." He then told the governor to run for president.

"Life has a way of changing your best-laid plans," Cilizza concluded his Cuomo campaign video.

With the latest news of cover-ups and lies in the Cuomo administration, let's hope they do. But it's not just Cuomo who owes New Yorkers an apology and a commitment to do better and to be more honest. It's the media who covers him.

Karol Markowicz is journalist and a columnist for the New York Post.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/cuomo-didnt-protect-seniors-covid-19-it-was-media-that-covered-it-opinion-1569165

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As the WaPo states; Democracy dies in darkness, evidently, so do the elderly in nursing homes in NY.

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On 2/13/2021 at 4:20 PM, AU9377 said:

The fact that someone, while attempting to tackle a pandemic, got something wrong, doesn't mean that they weren't making every attempt to get things done the right way.  You give a pass to an administration that was telling us to ignore the problem, yet you want to condemn a leader that was dealing with an event in the most impacted state when this all began.

During the Pandemic NY has has the second worst per capita death rate in the Country with NJ at number 1. States like Texas and Florida got hammered by CNN while they we bragging on New York and Cuomo those states had about 100 per capita less death rates.  The federal government provided New York more aide than any other state sending a Hospital ship where NY accidentally sent the wrong people mixing covid and non covid patients. They built a hospital for NY a Christian Group also built a Hospital for NY, they taxed people who volunteered from other states and put their lives at risk. The federal government provided large numbers of ventilators actually more than they used but way less than Cuomo asked for because he didn't do his homework. He admitted at the height of the pandemic that Trump answered everyone of his calls and got the aid to NY but once it was past he attacked Trump and said he didn't help.  

Most other states used common sense and did not put sick people into environments with the most vulnerable people. He then lied about the number of people affected by his rule about putting contagious people into closed environment with a vulnerable population. 

New York both state and city were so poorly run that they basically had nothing on hand to help with a pandemic which is why they had to rely on the Federal government so much. Other states were more prepared. 

Numbers don't lie from beginning to end Cuomo didn't do a vey good job with the pandemic the numbers always said that yet because he made good speeches he was given a pass. Cuomo's speeches were like Nero playing the fiddle while Rome Burned.

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14 minutes ago, AuburnNTexas said:

During the Pandemic NY has has the second worst per capita death rate in the Country with NJ at number 1. States like Texas and Florida got hammered by CNN while they we bragging on New York and Cuomo those states had about 100 per capita less death rates.  The federal government provided New York more aide than any other state sending a Hospital ship where NY accidentally sent the wrong people mixing covid and non covid patients. They built a hospital for NY a Christian Group also built a Hospital for NY, they taxed people who volunteered from other states and put their lives at risk. The federal government provided large numbers of ventilators actually more than they used but way less than Cuomo asked for because he didn't do his homework. He admitted at the height of the pandemic that Trump answered everyone of his calls and got the aid to NY but once it was past he attacked Trump and said he didn't help.  

Most other states used common sense and did not put sick people into environments with the most vulnerable people. He then lied about the number of people affected by his rule about putting contagious people into closed environment with a vulnerable population. 

New York both state and city were so poorly run that they basically had nothing on hand to help with a pandemic which is why they had to rely on the Federal government so much. Other states were more prepared. 

Numbers don't lie from beginning to end Cuomo didn't do a vey good job with the pandemic the numbers always said that yet because he made good speeches he was given a pass. Cuomo's speeches were like Nero playing the fiddle while Rome Burned.

That is your opinion, but far from fact.  Comparing New York's response to Florida's and many others is an apples and oranges comparison... literally.  The states are nothing alike with respect to density and New York was the first to be forced to find solutions.  They had to do so with little assistance from the Federal govt until later on in the response.  Cuomo was and still does get credit for his attempts to tackle the problem, while also briefing the public and informing people of what was actually going on.  This entire controversy deals with counting deaths.  The number of deaths overall is correct.  The problem comes about because when a nursing home patient was transferred to a hospital and died weeks later, that death was counted as a death at the hospital, not the nursing home.  The sub text of argument alleges that recovering patients should have not been transferred back to nursing homes.  Where would they go?  The nursing homes were not Covid free prior to the transfer back to the nursing home.  The vast majority of the transfers from the hospitals was returning a nursing home resident.  The science today and guidance from the CDC claims that someone that has Covid and recovers can return to work in 10 to 14 days.  Why would someone be barred from returning to a long term care facility?

What this really is .... a politically motivated attack that has more to do with getting Cuomo than it does exposing any actual wrongdoing that harmed anyone.

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18 hours ago, Auburnfan91 said:

Andrew Cuomo got a pass as long as he could until the dam broke and revealed the underreported number of covid deaths in nursing homes.

Here's an excellent takedown of not only Cuomo but the media who did very little grilling of him until now because of how glaringly indefensible his actions have been:

 

Cuomo Didn't Protect Seniors From COVID-19. But it Was the Media That Covered it Up | Opinion

 

KAROL MARKOWICZ , COLUMNIST, NEW YORK POST 
ON 2/13/21 AT 7:42 PM EST

 

Things are not looking good for New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. After receiving an Emmy "in recognition of his leadership" and writing a bestselling book called American Crisis: Leadership Lessons from the COVID-19 Pandemic, the toll Cuomo's leadership has taken is finally emerging. On Thursday, the New York Post broke the story that Melissa DeRosa, one of the governor's top aides, apologized to Democratic lawmakers for fudging the number of nursing home deaths from COVID for fear of being investigated.

Such an investigation was long overdue. One of the biggest scandals of the pandemic has been the number of nursing home deaths in New York City, many of them possibly linked to a March 25 directive from the Cuomo administration forcing nursing homes to take in people even if they had tested positive for COVID-19. It would prove a death sentence for thousands of seniors. And to fend off an investigation, the Cuomo administration underestimated the number of nursing home deaths by 40%. The true number was 15,000, not 9,056.

But this isn't just a government scandal. It's a media scandal. For while the Cuomo administration was sentencing seniors to death, the media was busy fawning over Cuomo in a series of softball interviews, many of them conducted by his own brother.

Cuomo has been a television mainstay throughout the crisis, particularly on CNN where his brother, Chris Cuomo, is a host. But it wasn't just his brother who fawned. A June interview with CNN's Chris Cilizza provided Cuomo an opportunity to tout his performance while criticizing that of then-president Donald Trump and Republican governors who had not gone along with economy-crushing lockdowns. Cilizza was more than happy to assist.

 

"We tested both theories," Cuomo told Cilizza. "We have the evidence. It's numbers. It's irrefutable. Why don't we pause and recognize the undeniable reality of the situation?"

"On the numbers, it's hard to disagree," Cilizza dutifully wrote. "On April 9, New York had almost 10,000 coronavirus cases in a single day, according to a tally from Johns Hopkins University. On Friday, it had just 673 cases statewide."

There would be no follow-up article when New York would hit over 14,000 cases in January. No review of what went wrong in Cuomo's "undeniable reality." No comparison to states that found a different "undeniable reality of the situation" and have objectively handled the COVID crisis better.

Cilizza glossed over other numbers: New York had had the most overall COVID deaths of any state, a number only recently surpassed by California, which has nearly double the population. New York spent the pandemic swapping the number one spot of most deaths per capita with New Jersey. On the numbers, it was actually quite easy to disagree with Cuomo's self-assessment that he had done a great job.

But few in the national media landscape would.

It wasn't just Cilizza and it wasn't just CNN, though CNN egregiously led the way in the fawning coverage of the governor. The network had a penchant for handing off interviews of the governor to his adoring brother. They had spent the spring months joshing about big noses, who their ma liked best and whose hands looked more like bananas. It had its charm, but as the pandemic wore on and the interviews continued, it should have been a red flag to anyone concerned with good journalism or a separation between government and the press which is supposed to cover them impartially.

"Obviously, I'll never be objective. Obviously, I think you're the best politician in the country," Chris Cuomo said during a June 24 brotherly interview.

This embarrassing lack of objectivity had spread well beyond family ties. Cuomo-love affected almost all of the governor's coverage. On MSNBC in May, Stephanie Ruhle ever so gently asked about the nursing home death count, and then let the governor ramble on about how his biggest flaw is doing too much, asking no follow-up questions.

Cuomo's June media tour also featured a spot on Good Morning America where hostess Amy Robach referred to him as "homecoming king of this crisis," talked about his love life and urged him to run for president. He did not receive questions about the nursing home deaths.

And this was all before his book was released in October, becoming an instant bestseller. Few in the media seemed to think it was a problem that Cuomo touted his own leadership while the pandemic still raged.

On ABC's The View in October, Sunny Hostin did mention the nursing home controversy, but she allowed Cuomo to get away with denying he ever sent a directive at all—before they went back to discussing his love life.

And anyone who tried to buck the trend was denounced. Fox News Meteorologist Janice Dean lost both of her in-laws in nursing homes following the Cuomo directive and became an outspoken activist, trying her best to find out the truth about what happened. She suffered abuse from the Cuomo administration, including Cuomo's top advisor Rich Azzopardi, who told the Daily Mail, "Last I checked she's not a credible source on anything except maybe the weather."

But Dean turned out to be more credible than Cuomo. New York Attorney General Letitia James released a report in January which found that the Cuomo administration undercounted nursing home deaths. The story, of a Democratic Attorney General targeting New York's Democratic governor, was the first crack in the media narrative.

Back in early April, when the sirens were shrieking nonstop throughout the city, responding to sick COVID-19 patients and keeping New Yorkers up all night, Cilizza recorded a segment for his video series called "The Point" where he gushed that in his daily press conferences, Cuomo alternates between "cheerleader, psychologist and stern but loving parents." He then told the governor to run for president.

"Life has a way of changing your best-laid plans," Cilizza concluded his Cuomo campaign video.

With the latest news of cover-ups and lies in the Cuomo administration, let's hope they do. But it's not just Cuomo who owes New Yorkers an apology and a commitment to do better and to be more honest. It's the media who covers him.

Karol Markowicz is journalist and a columnist for the New York Post.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/cuomo-didnt-protect-seniors-covid-19-it-was-media-that-covered-it-opinion-1569165

Yet something tells me that you give the former President a pass when he says that it would all just go away like magic.....

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16 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

That is your opinion, but far from fact.  Comparing New York's response to Florida's and many others is an apples and oranges comparison... literally.  The states are nothing alike with respect to density and New York was the first to be forced to find solutions.  They had to do so with little assistance from the Federal govt until later on in the response.  Cuomo was and still does get credit for his attempts to tackle the problem, while also briefing the public and informing people of what was actually going on.  This entire controversy deals with counting deaths.  The number of deaths overall is correct.  The problem comes about because when a nursing home patient was transferred to a hospital and died weeks later, that death was counted as a death at the hospital, not the nursing home.  The sub text of argument alleges that recovering patients should have not been transferred back to nursing homes.  Where would they go?  The nursing homes were not Covid free prior to the transfer back to the nursing home.  The vast majority of the transfers from the hospitals was returning a nursing home resident.  The science today and guidance from the CDC claims that someone that has Covid and recovers can return to work in 10 to 14 days.  Why would someone be barred from returning to a long term care facility?

What this really is .... a politically motivated attack that has more to do with getting Cuomo than it does exposing any actual wrongdoing that harmed anyone.

You did notice that this was not an issue in any other of the 49 States and territories of the USA didnt you?

***  9-4-20, we are heading toward a period of Political Zealotry that would scare Josephus. It is not going to end well.
When people on both sides of the aisle REFUSE TO HOLD ANY PARTY MEMBER ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO LOSE

Edited February 15, 2021 by DKW 86

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1 minute ago, DKW 86 said:

You did notice that this was not an issue in any other of the 49 States and territories of the USA didnt you?

I don't know for certain how things are counted in every state.  I do know that, to me, it doesn't matter where the death took place.  A third of all deaths across the country were connected to long term care facilities.  It is an unfortunate part of Covid-19. 

Heck, in Georgia, it took us close to 6 months to get our governor to encourage mask wearing.  How many lives did that cost?

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1 minute ago, AU9377 said:

I don't know for certain how things are counted in every state.  I do know that, to me, it doesn't matter where the death took place.  A third of all deaths across the country were connected to long term care facilities.  It is an unfortunate part of Covid-19. 

Heck, in Georgia, it took us close to 6 months to get our governor to encourage mask wearing.  How many lives did that cost?

I bet not 12K. BTW, Cuomo won an Emmy and a Book Deal for how Well/Badly he was doing. He was lauded nightly for his "actions." 

https://nypost.com/2021/02/11/cuomo-aide-admits-they-hid-nursing-home-data-from-feds/

Not that I am under the delusion that you give a damn about the people that died: But here, DONT READ IT FOR YOURSELF: DeRosa Admits that they did indeed coverup the numbers and hid them from the NY Legislature because they were afraid of being PROSECUTED BY THE FEDS. They, of course, will never be prosecuted by the DOJ under Biden. They may get a Tony AND YET ANOTHER BOOK DEAL this time for all the play acting they have done so far. 

Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s top aide privately apologized to Democratic lawmakers for withholding the state’s nursing home death toll from COVID-19 — telling them “we froze” out of fear that the true numbers would “be used against us” by federal prosecutors, The Post has learned.

The stunning admission of a coverup was made by secretary to the governor Melissa DeRosa during a video conference call with state Democratic leaders in which she said the Cuomo administration had rebuffed a legislative request for the tally in August because “right around the same time, [then-President Donald Trump] turns this into a giant political football,” according to an audio recording of the two-hour-plus meeting.

“He starts tweeting that we killed everyone in nursing homes,” DeRosa said. “He starts going after [New Jersey Gov. Phil] Murphy, starts going after [California Gov. Gavin] Newsom, starts going after [Michigan Gov.] Gretchen Whitmer.”

In addition to attacking Cuomo’s fellow Democratic governors, DeRosa said, Trump “directs the Department of Justice to do an investigation into us.”

“And basically, we froze,” she told the lawmakers on the call.

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2 hours ago, AU9377 said:

That is your opinion, but far from fact.  Comparing New York's response to Florida's and many others is an apples and oranges comparison... literally.  The states are nothing alike with respect to density and New York was the first to be forced to find solutions.  They had to do so with little assistance from the Federal govt until later on in the response.  Cuomo was and still does get credit for his attempts to tackle the problem, while also briefing the public and informing people of what was actually going on.  This entire controversy deals with counting deaths.  The number of deaths overall is correct.  The problem comes about because when a nursing home patient was transferred to a hospital and died weeks later, that death was counted as a death at the hospital, not the nursing home.  The sub text of argument alleges that recovering patients should have not been transferred back to nursing homes.  Where would they go?  The nursing homes were not Covid free prior to the transfer back to the nursing home.  The vast majority of the transfers from the hospitals was returning a nursing home resident.  The science today and guidance from the CDC claims that someone that has Covid and recovers can return to work in 10 to 14 days.  Why would someone be barred from returning to a long term care facility?

What this really is .... a politically motivated attack that has more to do with getting Cuomo than it does exposing any actual wrongdoing that harmed anyone.

It is not my opinion that other states that didn't put Covid patients back into nursing homes had much lower death rates in the nursing homes. It is not my opinion when Trump sent the Hospital ship to NY that it was not supposed to get Covid patients but NY screwed up and sent those patients to the ship mixing non-Covid patients with Covid patients.  

It is not my opinion that the Federal government actually built and manned a hospital for New York and that a Christian group also setup a hospital for New York. These are all known facts. It is not my opinion that Melissa DeRosa his aide said they were trying to hide the numbers.  The only pertinent point you made is density could explain some of the higher death rate but not 1/3 more.  So tell me what he did well other then making regular speeches, was NY either state or city even partially prepared for a pandemic event when it initially occurred, the answer is no. 

 

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/amid-ongoing-covid-19-pandemic-governor-cuomo-announces-initial-delivery-equipment-and-supplies

The below quote is from the above URL- This help arrived in March  it was the middle of March before NY really began to see that they had a major problem so Federal Government was providing help rather quickly.  Then Temp Hospital in NYC both Federal and the Samaritan group were finished around April 1st so your claim about the federal government being slow to help NY is proven false by the Governors own web site.

"Governor Andrew M. Cuomo announced an initial delivery of hospital supplies to the Jacob K. Javits Center where FEMA has started to build a 1,000-bed temporary hospital that will help increase New York's hospital capacity to combat COVID-19 and open next week. This is in addition to the four sites selected by the Army Corps of Engineers that will create temporary hospitals in downstate New York with total capacity up to 4,000. The federal administration has deployed 339,760 N-95 masks, 861,700 surgical masks, 353,300 gloves, 145,122 gowns and 197,085 face shields to New York State, with many state supplies already located at the Javits Center."

So next time you say it is just my opinion please back it up with facts.

 

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On 2/4/2021 at 12:00 PM, I_M4_AU said:

Yes, you’re right.

I didn’t say he got MORE national coverage from the media, just that he was not scrutinized by the media like the President did during the early part of the pandemic.  

Example:  He was late on the 15 days of lock down by a week or so with little notice by the media.  Later in that month NYC exploded with cases.  Not a lot of questions asked.  The media was more concerned with Trump suggesting he would like to see the lock down end by Easter.  The media and the Dems made the COVID political and we find out that some Democratic Governors followed suit by putting COVID positive patients back in nursing homes.

You can say Trump was the President and Cuomo was just the Governor, but early on the administration’s policy was to delegate the responsibility of pandemic decisions to the leader of the state.  It showed who was a reasonable leader and the media failed at their jobs again.  They were so bias it appeared they gave Democratic Governors passes while demonizing Republican Governors.

The Justice Department on Wednesday sent letters to the governors of New York and three other Democratic-led states, seeking data on whether they violated federal law by ordering public nursing homes to accept recovering COVID-19 patients from hospitals — actions that have been criticized for potentially fueling the spread of the virus.

Prosecutors said the fact-finding letters also sent to New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Michigan were aimed at determining whether the orders “may have resulted in the deaths of thousands of elderly nursing home residents.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/doj-seeks-data-nursing-home-deaths-4-states-led-democrats-n1238399

You’ll notice the article was written in late August, the wheels of the DOJ turn slowly.

Did Cuomo have anything to do with the other Dem governor’s decisions?  Hard to say.

It appears the country didn’t come together during a time of grave concern and that is disappointing.

 

What happened is not on the same scale whatsoever as the inaction of the federal government under the former President.  People are getting confused and think that Cuomo's decisions resulted in deaths.  That has not been shown at all.  This is about counting and whether deaths were counted as nursing home deaths or hospital deaths.

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The fact that Coumo receives praise is sufficient evidence that we live in a clown world. His dumb s*** policies got thousands of elderly people killed. Then he wins an Emmy. An Emmy! You cannot make this up. 
 

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On 2/16/2021 at 3:35 PM, woodford said:

The fact that Coumo receives praise is sufficient evidence that we live in a clown world. His dumb s*** policies got thousands of elderly people killed. Then he wins an Emmy. An Emmy! You cannot make this up. 
 

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Isn't it interesting how because he has a "D" next to his name, he is by default absolved of any fair criticism and/or judgement. Actually, his incompetence was celebrated. But if he had an "R" next to his name and undertook the exact same plan of action, he would have been charged with committing crimes against humanity.

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3 hours ago, AU9377 said:

What happened is not on the same scale whatsoever as the inaction of the federal government under the former President.  People are getting confused and think that Cuomo's decisions resulted in deaths.  That has not been shown at all.  This is about counting and whether deaths were counted as nursing home deaths or hospital deaths.

Are you really so stupid as thinking putting sick people into a closed environment with the most vulnerable population is not the cause of almost 1/7th of the people in Nursing homes in NY dying. Other states that did not do the same thing had much smaller mortality rates in nursing homes. 

The counting you are talking about was trying to cover up the fact that his decision caused multiple needless deaths.

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23 hours ago, metafour said:

Isn't it interesting how because he has a "D" next to his name, he is by default absolved of any fair criticism and/or judgement. Actually, his incompetence was celebrated. But if he had an "R" next to his name and undertook the exact same plan of action, he would have been charged with committing crimes against humanity.

First, no one has said he is "absolved" from any fair criticism or judgement.

But what's "interesting" to me is the all the outrage being directed toward a Democratic governor - in hindsight -by MAGAs who were fine with Dear Leader lying about the severity of the pandemic, and actively fomenting protests against other Democratic governors ("free Michigan!)

Timeline: How Trump Has Downplayed The Coronavirus Pandemic

President Trump, who announced overnight that he and first lady Melania Trump have tested positive for the coronavirus, has repeatedly downplayed the severity of the coronavirus pandemic and often contradicted public health experts and members of his own administration in their more grave warnings about the virus.

Most notably, Trump acknowledged to veteran journalist Bob Woodward that he knowingly downplayed the coronavirus, even though he knew it was more deadly than the seasonal flu.

"I wanted to always play it down," the president said in a March interview, the audio recording of which was made public in September. "I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic."

Here is a sampling of what Trump has said about the coronavirus threat:

Jan. 22

The day that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed what it then thought was the first case of the coronavirus in the United States, Trump told a CNBC reporter that the country had it "completely under control" and suggested that he was not concerned about a pandemic.

"We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine," he said.

Feb. 27

During a February meeting with Black leaders, held as U.S. health officials warned that the coronavirus pandemic might stay with the country for some time, Trump said a "miracle" might make the coronavirus pandemic "disappear."

"It's going to disappear. One day — it's like a miracle — it will disappear," Trump said. "And from our shores, we — you know, it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We'll see what happens. Nobody really knows."

March 11

During an Oval Office address, Trump said that for "the vast majority of Americans, the risk is very, very low" — though he did warn that the "elderly population must be very, very careful." That same day, Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of the White House's coronavirus task force, told members of Congress at a House hearing that "bottom line, it's going to get worse."

How much worse, Fauci said, would depend on the country's ability to contain the "influx of people who are infected" coming from other countries and "the ability to contain and mitigate within our own country."

April 3

When the CDC made its initial recommendation that people wear cloth or fabric face coverings, Trump said it was going to be "really, a voluntary thing" and emphasized that he would not do it.

"You can do it. You don't have to do it. I'm choosing not to do it, but some people may want to do it, and that's OK. It may be good. Probably will. They're making a recommendation. It's only a recommendation," Trump said.

Trump — who stresses how often he and the people around him are tested — wore a mask in public for the first time in July, for a visit to the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.

May 19

Trump told reporters that he viewed the high number of U.S. cases of the coronavirus as a "badge of honor" and a reflection of the country's testing capacity.

"When we have a lot of cases, I don't look at that as a bad thing," the president said. "I look at that in a certain respect as being a good thing, because it means our testing is much better. So, if we were testing a million people instead of 14 million people, we would have far few cases, right?

"So, I view it as a badge of honor. Really, it's a badge of honor," he added. "It's a great tribute to the testing and all of the work that a lot of professionals have done."

Days later, the U.S. recorded 100,000 known deaths from COVID-19.

July 19

During an interview with Fox News Sunday, the president seemed to suggest that some people without serious symptoms were being tested and confirmed as positives and added to the total number of infections.

"Many of those cases are young people that would heal in a day," Trump said. "They have the sniffles, and we put it down as a test." He added that many of those sick "are going to get better very quickly."

At the time of Trump's interview, more than 3.7 million coronavirus cases had been confirmed in the United States, and more than 140,000 Americans had died.

Sept. 21

During a campaign speech in Swanton, Ohio, Trump claimed without evidence that the coronavirus "affects virtually nobody," downplaying the risk of the extent of the pandemic and the danger that it poses to individuals.

In that campaign speech, he suggested that the virus is dangerous only to older people with heart problems and preexisting conditions, sentiments that go against the guidance of most public health experts.

"It affects elderly people, elderly people with heart problems, if they have other problems, that's what it really affects, that's it. In some states thousands of people — nobody young — below the age of 18, like nobody — they have a strong immune system — who knows?" Trump said.

"Take your hat off to the young because they have a hell of an immune system. It affects virtually nobody," he added. "It's an amazing thing — by the way, open your schools!"

https://www.npr.org/sections/latest-updates-trump-covid-19-results/2020/10/02/919432383/how-trump-has-downplayed-the-coronavirus-pandemic

 

How many lives did that cost?

What a bunch of hypocrites you all are.

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15 hours ago, AuburnNTexas said:

Are you really so stupid as thinking putting sick people into a closed environment with the most vulnerable population is not the cause of almost 1/7th of the people in Nursing homes in NY dying. Other states that did not do the same thing had much smaller mortality rates in nursing homes. 

The counting you are talking about was trying to cover up the fact that his decision caused multiple needless deaths.

Where would you have put them?  They already were relegated to nursing home care and the hospitals were too stressed to serve as an ongoing nursing care facility.  

Sounds to me like the real problem was with the competency/capability of the nursing home facilities. 

What did these "other states" that did so much better do?  How did they handle it?   Serious questions.

 

 

Edited February 17, 2021 by homersapien

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Is Cuomo Directive to Blame for Nursing Home COVID Deaths, as US Official Claims?

By Michelle Andrews August 24, 2020

[Updated at 1:45 p.m. ET on Feb. 16, 2021: Editor’s note: In recent weeks, N.Y. Gov. Andrew Cuomo has faced increasing scrutiny regarding his handling of information related to covid-related deaths among nursing home residents. A recent report by N.Y. Attorney General Letitia James noted that the death count may be 50% higher than what Cuomo’s administration provided. The attorney general’s estimate includes deaths that occurred after residents were transferred to the hospital, for example, a potential for undercounting that was mentioned in this fact check. The fact check itself focused on a policy issued by Cuomo in March directing nursing homes in the state to accept patients who had or were suspected of having covid-19. As long as they were medically stable, the notice said, it was appropriate to move patients in. Our ruling of “Mostly False” is unchanged by this new information. That rating was based on evidence that while the introduction of covid-19 positive patients into nursing homes no doubt had an effect on the spread of the coronavirus, Michael Caputo’s statement suggested it was solely responsible. That’s not what the evidence showed, then or now.]

“Does the #DemConvention know @NYGovCuomo forced nursing homes across NY to take in COVID positive patients and planted the seeds of infection that killed thousands of grandmothers and grandfathers?”

— Michael Caputo, assistant secretary for public affairs, Department of Health and Human Services, in an Aug. 17 tweet

On the first night of the Democratic National Convention, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo was among the first in a weeklong parade of speakers to issue scathing critiques of the Trump administration’s coronavirus response.

Cuomo’s criticisms drew a quick reply in a tweet from Michael Caputo, an assistant secretary for public affairs at the Department of Health and Human Services.

“Does the #DemConvention know @NYGovCuomo forced nursing homes across NY to take in COVID positive patients and planted the seeds of infection that killed thousands of grandmothers and grandfathers?” he wrote.

It was an easy jab: Cuomo has been dogged by criticism for months over his March advisory directing nursing homes in the state to accept patients who had or were suspected of having COVID-19. As long as they were medically stable, the notice said, it was appropriate to move patients in. Further, nursing homes were prohibited from requiring that medically stable prospective residents be tested for the virus before they arrived.

Between March 25 and May 8, approximately 6,326 COVID-positive patients were admitted to nursing homes, according to a state health department report.

While experts say this policy was flawed, is it fair to say that the governor’s directive “forced” nursing homes to take patients who were sick with COVID-19? And to what extent did that strategy sow the seeds of disease and death? When we examined the evidence, we found it was less clear-cut than the statement makes it seem. The policy likely had an effect, but epidemiologists identified additional factors that fed the problem. What’s more, the policy did not “force” nursing homes to accept COVID-positive patients. Nursing homes interpreted it this way.

We checked with HHS to find the basis for Caputo’s comment but got no response.

The Back Story

As the virus tore through nursing homes, killing dozens at some of them, Cuomo came under withering censure. His administration’s policy, implemented with an eye toward freeing up hospital beds for an onslaught of COVID patients, seemed to disregard the risks to frail and elderly nursing home residents who were especially vulnerable to the disease.

According to the COVID Tracking Project, 6,624 people have died of COVID-19 in nursing homes and other long-term care facilities in New York, accounting for 26% of the state’s 25,275 COVID deaths. Some say the true number of deaths is much higher because, unlike many states, New York does not count the deaths of former nursing home residents who are transferred to hospitals and die there as nursing home deaths.

Cuomo’s explanation for the policy — that he was simply following guidance from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — didn’t cut it. A recent PolitiFact piece examining his claim rated it “Mostly False.”

In May, the governor amended the March order, prohibiting hospitals from discharging patients to nursing homes unless they tested negative for COVID-19.

A Misguided Approach

In the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, when New York was the epicenter and more than a thousand people were being hospitalized daily, there was a genuine fear that hospitals would not be able to accommodate the influx of desperately ill patients.

Moving people out of the hospitals and into nursing homes was one strategy to help hospitals meet these needs.

According to the CDC guidance cited in the earlier PolitiFact story, there were two factors to consider when deciding whether to discharge a patient with COVID-19 to a long-term care facility: whether the patient was medically ready, and whether the facility could implement the recommended infection-control procedures to safely care for a patient recovering from the virus.

A document from the federal Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services said nursing homes should accept only patients they were able to care for.

Long-standing state guidance is based on the same condition.

Still, nursing homes didn’t believe turning away patients with COVID-19 was an option.

“On its face, it looked like a requirement,” said Christopher Laxton, executive director of the Society for Post-Acute and Long-Term Care Medicine, which represents medical professionals in nursing homes and other long-term care facilities. “The nursing homes we spoke to felt it was a mandate, and a number of them felt they had no choice but to take COVID patients.”

While the overarching guidance not to take patients in unless they could be safely cared for may have been clear, nursing homes’ experience was often different, said.

Richard Mollot, executive director of the Long-Term Care Community Coalition, an advocacy group for elderly and disabled people. “There was little reason for nursing homes to think they should only take in patients if they have the ability to do so safely because those rules are not generally enforced on a regular basis.”

Bottom line: State and federal rules didn’t force nursing homes to accept COVID-positive patients, but many of them believed they had no other choice.

A Lethal Result?

How much of the blame for the deaths of thousands of people in nursing homes from COVID-19 can be attributed to Cuomo’s March advisory?

That is the 6,000-person question.

In a July analysis of COVID-19 nursing home deaths, the state concluded that the deadly virus was introduced by nursing home staff members rather than sick patients.

It noted that peak nursing home resident mortality from COVID-19 on April 8 preceded the peak influx of COVID patients on April 14. In addition, it found that nearly 1 in 4 nursing home workers — 37,500 people — were infected with the virus between March and early June.

Based on these and other factors, the report concluded that the state admissions policy could not have been a driver of nursing home infections or fatalities.

Epidemiologists and nursing home advocates beg to differ.

“To say that introducing patients [to nursing homes] who had COVID did not cause problems is ridiculous,” said Laxton.

Calling the study’s approach “pretty flawed,” Denis Nash, an epidemiologist at City University of New York School of Public Health, said he didn’t agree with the report’s conclusion that the policy had nothing to do with deaths.

Others had the same view. “I didn’t think they showed data to say [the policy] is not a ‘driver,’” said Rupak Shivakoti, an assistant professor of epidemiology at the Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University.

But Gary Holmes, assistant commissioner at the New York State Department of Health, had a different take. Critics of the report, he said, must be deliberately ignoring the rising death tolls in nursing homes in hot spots across the country.

“Public health officials in those states are experiencing (and acknowledging) what NY’s report indicated weeks ago: these facilities are microcosms of the community and transmission is occurring unknowingly by asymptomatic spread among staff members,” Holmes said, in an email.

While public health experts quibbled with the report’s self-serving claim that the governor’s policy wasn’t a factor in COVID-19 nursing home deaths, they nevertheless agreed with the report’s broader conclusion that nursing home staffers as well as visitors, before they were banned, were likely the main drivers of COVID-19 infection and death in nursing homes.

“Based on the timeline of the policy and deaths in the city, it is very unlikely that policy contributed to thousands of deaths,” said Shivakoti.

Infection control is a long-standing problem at nursing homes, Nash said, and the COVID deaths were a basic failure of infection control. That said, “it’s unclear how many of the deaths the policy might have caused.”

Also unclear: how many of the dead were grandmothers and grandfathers.

Our Ruling

In a tweet, the HHS assistant secretary for public affairs said that New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo “forced” nursing homes across the state to admit COVID-positive patients and that this policy fueled the spread of COVID-19 that led to thousands of deaths in the nursing home population.

Although nursing homes felt pressure to accept COVID-positive patients, they were not actually forced to do so. State regulations require nursing homes to accept patients only if they can care for them, and they could have refused them on those grounds.

In addition, it’s unclear the extent to which the governor’s policy was responsible for nursing home COVID-19 deaths. Infection control is a long-standing problem in nursing homes, predating the pandemic, and a report showed peak numbers of nursing home deaths came prior to the peak influx of patients as a result of Cuomo’s advisory. While the introduction of COVID-19 positive patients into nursing homes no doubt had an effect on infection spread, Caputo’s statement suggests it was solely responsible. That’s not what the evidence shows.

We rate this Mostly False.

https://khn.org/news/is-cuomo-directive-to-blame-for-nursing-home-covid-deaths-as-us-official-claims/

 

Cuomo's biggest mistake was in the reporting, which smacked of a cover-up.

Edited February 17, 2021 by homersapien

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12 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Where would you have put them?  They already were relegated to nursing home care and the hospitals were too stressed to serve as an ongoing nursing care facility.  

Sounds to me like the real problem was with the competency/capability of the nursing home facilities. 

What did these "other states" that did so much better do?  How did they handle it?   Serious questions.

 

 

That is a serious and legitimate question. I don't know where the other states put them to be honest but I know they found a way not to put them back into the nursing homes.  By finding a way they saved many lives. NY never even tried to find a way and when the numbers 1st started to come out making him look bad, Cuomo blamed federal government for forcing him to do it.  But even then he did not change his guidelines and kept sending people back in. There was never anything in Federal Government orders requiring NY to put these people back into the facilities.

Even after the numbers started to appear he waited months to change his guidelines. I don't think he can be excused for initial decision but others disagree and say it was an honest mistake. But when numbers showed what a catastrophe it was and he waited  months to change course no excuse. He basically didn't care about these people, all he cared about was making himself look good.

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5 hours ago, AuburnNTexas said:

That is a serious and legitimate question. I don't know where the other states put them to be honest but I know they found a way not to put them back into the nursing homes.  By finding a way they saved many lives. NY never even tried to find a way and when the numbers 1st started to come out making him look bad, Cuomo blamed federal government for forcing him to do it.  But even then he did not change his guidelines and kept sending people back in. There was never anything in Federal Government orders requiring NY to put these people back into the facilities.

Even after the numbers started to appear he waited months to change his guidelines. I don't think he can be excused for initial decision but others disagree and say it was an honest mistake. But when numbers showed what a catastrophe it was and he waited  months to change course no excuse. He basically didn't care about these people, all he cared about was making himself look good.

I think you are vastly underestimating the possibility for a governor - any governor - to simply **** up.

But if you don't think it was a "honest mistake", what do you suppose was his motivation?

I mean, I understand Trump's motivation to downplay the pandemic, but I don't think that applies to Cuomo.  There's no reason for me to think he was making operating decisions based on wishful thinking or because he "didn't care about these people".  That just doesn't pass the common sense test.

(Now the reporting issue - which came later - is different. That does smack of a CYA cover-up.)

 

Edited February 17, 2021 by homersapien

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2 hours ago, homersapien said:

Where would you have put them?  They already were relegated to nursing home care and the hospitals were too stressed to serve as an ongoing nursing care facility.

They were in the hospital because they were already suffering from COVID-19.  Cuomo panicked thinking his hospitals were overwhelmed and shipped them back to the nursing homes where they infected their neighbors.

The panic was born out as Cuomo pleaded for more hospital beds, ventilators and PPEs when, in fact, when supplied by these items many went unused.  Remember, Trump supplied the National Guard to build a hospital in an auditorium and sent a military ship for overflow relief and they still weren’t too stressed.

I think Cuomo was listening too much to some experts that persuaded him that it was the end of the world.  So he was concerned about grandma, but his actions seemed to be more concerned about hospital capacity than grandma.

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59 minutes ago, homersapien said:

If you don't think it was a honest mistake, what do you suppose was his motivation?

I mean, I understand Trump's motivation to downplay the pandemic, but I don't think that applies to Cuomo.  There's no reason for me to think he was making operating decisions based on wishful thinking or because he "didn't care about this people".  That just doesn't pass the common sense test.

(Now the reporting issue - which came later - is different. That does smack of a cover-up.)

I don't know I think it is his total lack of remorse as seen by the cover-up and comment about it doesn't matter where they died. I am not saying he intentionally wanted them to die just he didn't care when it happened. As soon as the numbers started to show up he should have changed guidelines especially since it was public but he waited because if he changed immediately it would look like he knew he screwed up.

 

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2 hours ago, homersapien said:

What's "interesting" to me is the all the outrage being directed toward a Democratic governor - in hindsight -by MAGAs who were fine with Dear Leader lying about the severity of the pandemic, and actively fomenting protests against other Democratic governors ("free Michigan!)

Timeline: How Trump Has Downplayed The Coronavirus Pandemic

President Trump, who announced overnight that he and first lady Melania Trump have tested positive for the coronavirus, has repeatedly downplayed the severity of the coronavirus pandemic and often contradicted public health experts and members of his own administration in their more grave warnings about the virus.

Most notably, Trump acknowledged to veteran journalist Bob Woodward that he knowingly downplayed the coronavirus, even though he knew it was more deadly than the seasonal flu.

"I wanted to always play it down," the president said in a March interview, the audio recording of which was made public in September. "I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic."

Here is a sampling of what Trump has said about the coronavirus threat:

Jan. 22

The day that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed what it then thought was the first case of the coronavirus in the United States, Trump told a CNBC reporter that the country had it "completely under control" and suggested that he was not concerned about a pandemic.

"We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine," he said.

Feb. 27

During a February meeting with Black leaders, held as U.S. health officials warned that the coronavirus pandemic might stay with the country for some time, Trump said a "miracle" might make the coronavirus pandemic "disappear."

"It's going to disappear. One day — it's like a miracle — it will disappear," Trump said. "And from our shores, we — you know, it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We'll see what happens. Nobody really knows."

March 11

During an Oval Office address, Trump said that for "the vast majority of Americans, the risk is very, very low" — though he did warn that the "elderly population must be very, very careful." That same day, Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of the White House's coronavirus task force, told members of Congress at a House hearing that "bottom line, it's going to get worse."

How much worse, Fauci said, would depend on the country's ability to contain the "influx of people who are infected" coming from other countries and "the ability to contain and mitigate within our own country."

April 3

When the CDC made its initial recommendation that people wear cloth or fabric face coverings, Trump said it was going to be "really, a voluntary thing" and emphasized that he would not do it.

"You can do it. You don't have to do it. I'm choosing not to do it, but some people may want to do it, and that's OK. It may be good. Probably will. They're making a recommendation. It's only a recommendation," Trump said.

Trump — who stresses how often he and the people around him are tested — wore a mask in public for the first time in July, for a visit to the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.

May 19

Trump told reporters that he viewed the high number of U.S. cases of the coronavirus as a "badge of honor" and a reflection of the country's testing capacity.

"When we have a lot of cases, I don't look at that as a bad thing," the president said. "I look at that in a certain respect as being a good thing, because it means our testing is much better. So, if we were testing a million people instead of 14 million people, we would have far few cases, right?

"So, I view it as a badge of honor. Really, it's a badge of honor," he added. "It's a great tribute to the testing and all of the work that a lot of professionals have done."

Days later, the U.S. recorded 100,000 known deaths from COVID-19.

July 19

During an interview with Fox News Sunday, the president seemed to suggest that some people without serious symptoms were being tested and confirmed as positives and added to the total number of infections.

"Many of those cases are young people that would heal in a day," Trump said. "They have the sniffles, and we put it down as a test." He added that many of those sick "are going to get better very quickly."

At the time of Trump's interview, more than 3.7 million coronavirus cases had been confirmed in the United States, and more than 140,000 Americans had died.

Sept. 21

During a campaign speech in Swanton, Ohio, Trump claimed without evidence that the coronavirus "affects virtually nobody," downplaying the risk of the extent of the pandemic and the danger that it poses to individuals.

In that campaign speech, he suggested that the virus is dangerous only to older people with heart problems and preexisting conditions, sentiments that go against the guidance of most public health experts.

"It affects elderly people, elderly people with heart problems, if they have other problems, that's what it really affects, that's it. In some states thousands of people — nobody young — below the age of 18, like nobody — they have a strong immune system — who knows?" Trump said.

"Take your hat off to the young because they have a hell of an immune system. It affects virtually nobody," he added. "It's an amazing thing — by the way, open your schools!"

https://www.npr.org/sections/latest-updates-trump-covid-19-results/2020/10/02/919432383/how-trump-has-downplayed-the-coronavirus-pandemic

 

How many lives did that cost?

What a bunch of hypocrites you all are.

Where is the Whataboutism Police? Oh yea, i forgot. on this forum whataboutisms only get flagged going one way. 

Edited February 17, 2021 by DKW 86

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11 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

They were in the hospital because they were already suffering from COVID-19.  Cuomo panicked thinking his hospitals were overwhelmed and shipped them back to the nursing homes where they infected their neighbors.

The panic was born out as Cuomo pleaded for more hospital beds, ventilators and PPEs when, in fact, when supplied by these items many went unused.  Remember, Trump supplied the National Guard to build a hospital in an auditorium and sent a military ship for overflow relief and they still weren’t too stressed.

I think Cuomo was listening too much to some experts that persuaded him that it was the end of the world.  So he was concerned about grandma, but his actions seemed to be more concerned about hospital capacity than grandma.

The hospital ship was never used. 

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31 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

The hospital ship was never used. 

It was supposed to be used for non-COVID patients only and Cuomo asked permission to allow them to treat those patients too.  They allowed some COVID positives in there, but it wasn’t use much at all.  It was never really needed.

https://www.businessinsider.com/usns-comfort-nyc-coronavirus-timeline-2020-4#during-a-meeting-with-the-president-cuomo-said-that-new-york-no-longer-needed-the-comfort-and-said-it-could-be-sent-to-a-more-hard-hit-area-11