Auburn OC Search, Part III

[Carnell 592]

5 hours ago, aucom96 said:

I don't put much into rumors, but if this bears out as they are saying... we would be forced to take a chance on an up-an-comer that doesn't generate much buzz or excitement and hope we can build a strong staff around them. In other words, the usual Auburn football hire. 

And then he ends up being on the Auburn payroll after firing. A never ending loop of hopelessness. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Carnell

[wcware 1,365]

1 hour ago, JBiGGiE said:

No that was Brodie Croyle...

Do I really have to say that was a joke???? Really 

[JBiGGiE 2,488]

23 minutes ago, wcware said:

Do I really have to say that was a joke???? Really 

There are some young-uns who probably need the nudge.

[EagleEye67 1,939]

2 hours ago, JBiGGiE said:

No that was Brodie Croyle...

 

[Elephant Tipper 430]

14 hours ago, The Freak said:

He had a contract.  End of dreamlandia.

And you don't know what stipulations were in his contract.  The financial promises made in this current OC search will be most important.  AU has to hold these hires more accountable and less liable to AU.  AU cannot be seen as the "buyout university" of America. 

This applies to the current OC search and also the contract we sign with Schmedding.  In an effort to fill the position will AU decision makers (AD Greene, et al) promise potential multi-million dollar buyouts, even for Schmedding ?  We just hired/fired Cornelius Williams, a receivers coach, with a buyout ($600K for 4 games).  A wr coach with a buyout ?  Ridiculous.  Why should a receivers coach have a buyout except for incompetent negotiating ?  And then Bobo with a multi-million dollar buyout ?  Bobo was lucky to even have a job and should not have been given such a generous buyout, if any.  He failed in Coloradao and then he failed at USCe, but what does AU do ?  We promised him $2.5 million to tryout as the OC.  And Steele with his partial buyout ?  (Thank you UT, for saving us $900K).  Malzahn, $23 million.  Dave Aranda's contract at LSU had a minimal buyout and he has been one of the best DCs in the nation.  

Each of these contracts was poorly designed by AU, first by Leath/Greene and now by Gouge(?)/Greene, which have compromised AU's future contracts.  AU is going in the WRONG direction with its contracts which consequently has attracted inferior coaching talent.

Holding these coaches more accountable in their contracts is the answer for better results, rewarding them for incompetence isn't.  Demoting a coach should certainly be an option, it's AU's money and AU's job to offer.  AU is a premier program, and has the leverage to demand such stipulations, but many in this forum don't believe it.  Whoever signs the contracts will probably succumb to desperate deal making, as usual.  smh

WDE !!!

[Taco 617]

5 minutes ago, Elephant Tipper said:

And you don't know what stipulations were in his contract.  The financial promises made in this current OC search will be most important.  AU has to hold these hires more accountable and less liable to AU.  AU cannot be seen as the "buyout university" of America. 

This applies to the current OC search and also the contract we sign with Schmedding.  In an effort to fill the position will AU decision makers (AD Greene, et al) promise potential multi-million dollar buyouts, even for Schmedding ?  We just hired/fired Cornelius Williams, a receivers coach, with a buyout ($600K for 4 games).  A wr coach with a buyout ?  Ridiculous.  Why should a receivers coach have a buyout except for incompetent negotiating ?  And then Bobo with a multi-million dollar buyout ?  Bobo was lucky to even have a job and should not have been given such a generous buyout, if any.  He failed in Coloradao and then he failed at USCe, but what does AU do ?  We promised him $2.5 million to tryout as the OC.  And Steele with his partial buyout ?  (Thank you UT, for saving us $900K).  Malzahn, $23 million.  Dave Aranda's contract at LSU had a minimal buyout and he has been one of the best DCs in the nation.  

Each of these contracts was poorly designed by AU, first by Leath/Greene and now by Gouge(?)/Greene, which have compromised AU's future contracts.  AU is going in the WRONG direction with its contracts which consequently has attracted inferior coaching talent.

Holding these coaches more accountable in their contracts is the answer for better results, rewarding them for incompetence isn't.  Demoting a coach should certainly be an option, it's AU's money and AU's job to offer.  AU is a premier program, and has the leverage to demand such stipulations, but many in this forum don't believe it.  Whoever signs the contracts will probably succumb to desperate deal making, as usual.  smh

WDE !!!

Let’s just give them a per diem contract. 
 

If you win you get paid. If you lose you get to eat off the dollar menu at McDonald’s. 
 

now that’ll keep ‘em accountable.  

[Elephant Tipper 430]

13 minutes ago, Taco said:

Let’s just give them a per diem contract. 
 

If you win you get paid. If you lose you get to eat off the dollar menu at McDonald’s. 
 

now that’ll keep ‘em accountable.  

Even better lol

[AEAugirl 9,632]

24 minutes ago, Elephant Tipper said:

And you don't know what stipulations were in his contract.  The financial promises made in this current OC search will be most important.  AU has to hold these hires more accountable and less liable to AU.  AU cannot be seen as the "buyout university" of America. 

This applies to the current OC search and also the contract we sign with Schmedding.  In an effort to fill the position will AU decision makers (AD Greene, et al) promise potential multi-million dollar buyouts, even for Schmedding ?  We just hired/fired Cornelius Williams, a receivers coach, with a buyout ($600K for 4 games).  A wr coach with a buyout ?  Ridiculous.  Why should a receivers coach have a buyout except for incompetent negotiating ?  And then Bobo with a multi-million dollar buyout ?  Bobo was lucky to even have a job and should not have been given such a generous buyout, if any.  He failed in Coloradao and then he failed at USCe, but what does AU do ?  We promised him $2.5 million to tryout as the OC.  And Steele with his partial buyout ?  (Thank you UT, for saving us $900K).  Malzahn, $23 million.  Dave Aranda's contract at LSU had a minimal buyout and he has been one of the best DCs in the nation.  

Each of these contracts was poorly designed by AU, first by Leath/Greene and now by Gouge(?)/Greene, which have compromised AU's future contracts.  AU is going in the WRONG direction with its contracts which consequently has attracted inferior coaching talent.

Holding these coaches more accountable in their contracts is the answer for better results, rewarding them for incompetence isn't.  Demoting a coach should certainly be an option, it's AU's money and AU's job to offer.  AU is a premier program, and has the leverage to demand such stipulations, but many in this forum don't believe it.  Whoever signs the contracts will probably succumb to desperate deal making, as usual.  smh

WDE !!!

Why was Harsin given such a high buyout?  70% of his total contract ?!?!  I mean I guess that is slightly better than guaranteeing the entire contract, but no one else was after Harsin, that just seems like stupidity. 

[steeleagle 2,945]

23 minutes ago, AEAugirl said:

Why was Harsin given such a high buyout?  70% of his total contract ?!?!  I mean I guess that is slightly better than guaranteeing the entire contract, but no one else was after Harsin, that just seems like stupidity. 

that's the standard. I think Gus' was 75%.

You're not going to get a P% coach who will agree to anything less....

[auburnfaithful72 125]

There is one thing that will throw water on the fire at this point.. Splash OC  hire! Someone that is a home run .. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by auburnfaithful72

[auburnfaithful72 125]

We need a explosive offense OC .. the way Borgeus and Bobby Patrino was in their day.. We need a big name at OC or Harsin is not going to stop the bleeding at this point..

[BigBlueWDE 1,136]

Just now, auburnfaithful72 said:

We need a explosive offense OC .. the way Borgeus and Bobby Patrino was in their day.. We need a big name at OC or Harsin is not going to stop the bleeding at this point..

Those people have to be willing to come here. Jeff Grimes and Briles at Ark are the only two splash hires that were mentioned the first two times around since Bobo was fired. I imagine they both said no thanks pretty quickly, especially with Harsin's reputation of being a richard

[AuCivilEng1 11,005]

 

1 hour ago, EagleEye67 said:

 

I totally thought you were going a different direction with the gif before the words popped up. Like the Brodie looks like Sly direction.

Edited February 3, 2022 by AuCivilEng1

[autigeremt 6,609]

Auburns reputation is beaten and battered. A great OC may not be in the offing unless it's a recently fired NFL coach looking to get back into the league a year or two down the road. 

[AEAugirl 9,632]

4 minutes ago, autigeremt said:

Auburns reputation is beaten and battered. A great OC may not be in the offing unless it's a recently fired NFL coach looking to get back into the league a year or two down the road. 

So what you are saying is its Urban Meyer 😂

[steeleagle 2,945]

3 minutes ago, autigeremt said:

Auburns reputation is beaten and battered. A great OC may not be in the offing unless it's a recently fired NFL coach looking to get back into the league a year or two down the road. 

Do you really trhink Harsin is going to hire anyone w a huge pedigree as an OC, when we know he was going to call the plays anyway?

He wants a OC/QB that works with his QBs, and will assist him ONLY.

That's why he hired AD in the first place. That's the direction he wanted to go, as to getting guys like Bobo, or someone in the NFL unless it's a T Martin, or someone similar..

[autigeremt 6,609]

Just now, AEAugirl said:

So what you are saying is its Urban Meyer 😂

LMAO!!! 

[autigeremt 6,609]

Just now, steeleagle said:

Do you really trhink Harsin is going to hire anyone w a huge pedigree as an OC, when we know he was going to call the plays anyway?

He wants a OC/QB that works with his QBs, and will assist him ONLY.

That's why he hired AD in the first place. That's the direction he wanted to go, as to getting guys like Bobo, or someone in the NFL unless it's a T Martin, or someone similar..

I expect him to hire another 35 year old former QB looking to become a more rounded coach. 

[gctiger 931]

54 minutes ago, Elephant Tipper said:

And you don't know what stipulations were in his contract.  The financial promises made in this current OC search will be most important.  AU has to hold these hires more accountable and less liable to AU.  AU cannot be seen as the "buyout university" of America. 

This applies to the current OC search and also the contract we sign with Schmedding.  In an effort to fill the position will AU decision makers (AD Greene, et al) promise potential multi-million dollar buyouts, even for Schmedding ?  We just hired/fired Cornelius Williams, a receivers coach, with a buyout ($600K for 4 games).  A wr coach with a buyout ?  Ridiculous.  Why should a receivers coach have a buyout except for incompetent negotiating ?  And then Bobo with a multi-million dollar buyout ?  Bobo was lucky to even have a job and should not have been given such a generous buyout, if any.  He failed in Coloradao and then he failed at USCe, but what does AU do ?  We promised him $2.5 million to tryout as the OC.  And Steele with his partial buyout ?  (Thank you UT, for saving us $900K).  Malzahn, $23 million.  Dave Aranda's contract at LSU had a minimal buyout and he has been one of the best DCs in the nation.  

Each of these contracts was poorly designed by AU, first by Leath/Greene and now by Gouge(?)/Greene, which have compromised AU's future contracts.  AU is going in the WRONG direction with its contracts which consequently has attracted inferior coaching talent.

Holding these coaches more accountable in their contracts is the answer for better results, rewarding them for incompetence isn't.  Demoting a coach should certainly be an option, it's AU's money and AU's job to offer.  AU is a premier program, and has the leverage to demand such stipulations, but many in this forum don't believe it.  Whoever signs the contracts will probably succumb to desperate deal making, as usual.  smh

WDE !!!

I get your point.  I think that most would agree that the Malzahn extended contract was just plain stupid!  IMO although nearly anything is negotiable, it's highly doubtful that you're going to attract many highly desirable candidates by insisting that they agree to a demotion.  They'd be way more likely give you the finger and move on down the road. If I was involved in the negotiations, I would attempt to get the candidates to accept numerous large bonuses (a win - win) as opposed to a higher salary with a huge buyout.  That being said, there's a good possibility that market conditions (candidate pool) would likely have a bearing on the terms of the contract. 

 

 

[auburnfaithful72 125]

25. Ivin Jasper (Navy)

Sure, it takes a lot scrolling through the NCAA passing rankings to find the Middies, but there’s a reason Jasper is the 2nd-longest-tenured coordinator in college football (entering his 14th season). Navy’s run game is consistently elite and enables it to periodically hit big plays in the passing game.

24. Andrew Sowder (Kent State)

The Golden Flashes’ presence atop the NCAA yardage and scoring list last season was based on a small sample size with just 4 games. But when Sowder arrived in 2018, Kent State increased its scoring by more than 11 points per game and its yardage by more than 100 per game, and Sowder’s offense has kept rolling.

[auburnfaithful72 125]

9. Tom Manning (Iowa State)

Manning’s second stint with the Cyclones produced a school record for total offense (444.3) in 2019 and ISU’s second-highest scoring average (32.9) in 2020.

8. Jeff Brohm (Purdue)

The Boilermakers have averaged more than 400 yards and 27 points per game in Brohm’s 5 seasons, an opportunity he got in the wake of his successful run as Western Kentucky head coach and OC at Western Kentucky, Louisville and UAB.

[auburnfaithful72 125]

. Warren Ruggiero (Wake Forest)

His record-setting 8 seasons with the Demon Deacons have followed 4 seasons as Bowling Green’s OC. Wake Forest had the 3 highest-scoring seasons in school history from 2017-19.

[auburnfaithful72 125]

Money talks.. and Auburn has the money.. 

[TheDob06 443]

Probably not getting a big name so we should come to terms with that. Harsin does need a huge win here so he will have to roll the dice with an up and comer and hope it works. Only way out of this mess for Harsin is to win.

[I_M4_AU 7,811]

3 minutes ago, auburnfaithful72 said:

Money talks.. and Auburn has the money.. 

It just seems Auburn is unwilling to spend it when it is needed. 🤷‍♂️