CoffeeTiger 5,169 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 People always say: "Well, criminals are going to get guns illegally anyway, so what good does it do to place more regulations on legal gun owners?" Well, as we see...a big reason WHY there are so many illegal guns out on the market in the hands of criminals and people who shouldn't have them is BECAUSE of the irresponsible actions of legal gun owners who don't properly secure or lock away their guns leading to easily stolen weapons flooding our streets. 22,000 stolen guns in 2020 just from 270 cities that this report gathered data from, so there's many more that aren't even in this number. As more and more citizens get legal guns there's going to be more and more criminals stealing those same guns and then using them to commit crimes. Nothing is going to change until we treat gun ownership as the very serious and important thing that it is and hold legal gun owners accountable for the things that happen to their guns. Whether it means stricter laws on how guns must be secured or locked away or giving criminal liabilities to legal gun owners who's weapons get taken and used to commit other crimes something has to change. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/guns-are-stolen-cars-alarming-trend-nation-rcna26691 More guns are being stolen out of cars in alarming trend across the nation At least 180 cities reported increases in gun thefts from cars from 2019 to 2020. They are now the largest source of stolen guns, a new data analysis found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 I think storing guns in cars is a horrible idea. It is irresponsible to leave a gun in a vehicle if there is any way at all to avoid it. That being said, there are plenty of times when I have to go inside a place that it is not permissible to carry, so you are forced to leave it in a car. But most car break ins happen in neighborhoods at night, and people need to be aware of that and take them in when you go in for the day. But why don’t we start with enforcing the laws we have in place before we start with holding the victims of theft “accountable”. Quit letting criminals out of jail early, and come down hard on criminals. We are way too soft on crime, and it is brutally obvious in so many ways. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,182 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 12 hours ago, GoAU said: We are way too soft on crime, and it is brutally obvious in so many ways. Oof. Everyone’s so thirsty for long sentences and then they wonder how we wound up with a broken carceral state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeTiger 5,169 Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 42 minutes ago, AUDub said: Oof. Everyone’s so thirsty for long sentences and then they wonder how we wound up with a broken carceral state. I don't know that those beliefs are typically shared by the same people. The people who advocate for more prisons...more prisoners... tougher sentences...less leniency are typically those that aren't going to care that the U.S. has the highest prison population in the world by a wide margin or that we have a very high recidivism rate. To them a long, harsh punishment is always going to be the best deterrent to crime and if that isn't working then the only solution is always going to be harder and tougher punishments to keep them behind bars for longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,463 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 15 hours ago, GoAU said: I think storing guns in cars is a horrible idea. It is irresponsible to leave a gun in a vehicle if there is any way at all to avoid it. That being said, there are plenty of times when I have to go inside a place that it is not permissible to carry, so you are forced to leave it in a car. But most car break ins happen in neighborhoods at night, and people need to be aware of that and take them in when you go in for the day. But why don’t we start with enforcing the laws we have in place before we start with holding the victims of theft “accountable”. Quit letting criminals out of jail early, and come down hard on criminals. We are way too soft on crime, and it is brutally obvious in so many ways. We have the largest prison population in the world. Too soft on crime. Alabama is one of our most crime ridden states yet, has one of the largest prison populations. Too soft on crime. We need to pump more guns, more police, more judges, more lawyers, more prisons into our society. Social programs, education, healthcare are just too expensive. We are stupid, selfish, inhumane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 hour ago, icanthearyou said: We have the largest prison population in the world. Too soft on crime. Alabama is one of our most crime ridden states yet, has one of the largest prison populations. Too soft on crime. We need to pump more guns, more police, more judges, more lawyers, more prisons into our society. Social programs, education, healthcare are just too expensive. We are stupid, selfish, inhumane. Sure - that makes sense, the law abiding people are stupid, selfish and inhumane and the poor, innocent criminals aren’t to blame at all for the decisions THEY make, right? I have no issues with spending on education, non political social programs, and some healthcare reform is fine too, but any system without consequences for making a decision (and it is a personal decision) to break the law is doomed to fail. There are more jobs available now at the highest wages & benefits in history and crime is not receding- it’s growing. These major libs cities are seeing crime skyrocket and the criminals are getting more brazen and blatant every day. And it’s because we are prosecuting less and letting people out early. Most are lazy predators, not victims. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, AUDub said: Oof. Everyone’s so thirsty for long sentences and then they wonder how we wound up with a broken carceral state. I don’t wonder at all - the morals and values that are necessary for a civilized society are eroding, and we are experiencing the results of that. Dont confuse the results with the cause. Edited May 16, 2022 by GoAU 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,463 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 hour ago, GoAU said: I don’t wonder at all - the morals and values that are necessary for a civilized society are eroding, and we are experiencing the results of that. Dont confuse the results with the cause. No, morals, values, crime are all related. The more inequality we have, the more problems we will have. Believing punishment is the answer is simple but,,, wrong and immoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 12 hours ago, icanthearyou said: No, morals, values, crime are all related. The more inequality we have, the more problems we will have. Believing punishment is the answer is simple but,,, wrong and immoral. By saying inequality, are you referring to the desire for equal opportunity or equal outcomes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,182 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 19 hours ago, GoAU said: I don’t wonder at all - the morals and values that are necessary for a civilized society are eroding, and we are experiencing the results of that. Dont confuse the results with the cause. You're appealing to a golden age that doesn't exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now