Sizzle 3,913 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 47 minutes ago, Cardin Drake said: Kid has NFL potential. If he wants to maximize his chances, he should still come to Auburn and play in the SEC. Value of that dwarfs the value of his Stanford degree. Pac 12 football is still big time football. You’re making it seem like Stanford is D3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuburnNTexas 7,148 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 39 minutes ago, Sizzle said: Pac 12 football is still big time football. You’re making it seem like Stanford is D3 Stanford degree is a sure thing NFL is not plus if that good he will get drated from Stanford. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Tiger 136 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 19 hours ago, gctiger said: It's a tough break but it's hard to blame any kid for wanting to go to Stanford. Pretty much how I feel about this. But hey, this isn't over until pen hits paper! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 11,010 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Sizzle said: Pac 12 football is still big time football. You’re making it seem like Stanford is D3 THIS^^^^^ Stanford and Auburn each had 5 NFL draft picks this year. Since the year 2000 Auburn has had 76 players taken and Stanford has had 74. Lol. We aren't as "elite" as we like to think we are. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 11,010 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, NWALA Tiger said: Perhaps. But we can't make a habit of losing kids to Stanford Stanford and Auburn each had 5 NFL draft picks this year. Since the year 2000 Auburn has had 76 players taken and Stanford has had 74. Lol. Average salary of a Stanford grad ten years, graduates earn $122,900 on average. Average salary of an Auburn grad after ten years, graduates earn $54,100 on average. STANFORD should NEVER EVER make it a habit to lose anyone to Auburn that it wants. Edited June 27, 2023 by AuCivilEng1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.E.D 11,070 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said: We aren't as "elite" as we like to think we are. It's true. Ppl don't want to admit it. We should be better, but we always find a way to screw ourselves over 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodford 3,655 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said: THIS^^^^^ Stanford and Auburn each had 5 NFL draft picks this year. Since the year 2000 Auburn has had 76 players taken and Stanford has had 74. Lol. We aren't as "elite" as we like to think we are. Stanford is better than what most people think. They were absolutely cooking from 2010-2016. They've dropped off though. Haven't been ranked since 2019 Haven't won a bowl since 2018 Last double digit win season was 2016 Stanford vs Auburn debate depends on the individual. Both can get you to the NFL. If you're serious about Playoff appearances, then you should go to Auburn. Stanford needs everything to line up right to make a run like that. Those academic heavy first schools have depth issues (we do too I know). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 11,010 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, woodford said: Stanford is better than what most people think. They were absolutely cooking from 2010-2016. They've dropped off though. Haven't been ranked since 2019 Haven't won a bowl since 2018 Last double digit win season was 2016 Stanford vs Auburn debate depends on the individual. Both can get you to the NFL. If you're serious about Playoff appearances, then you should go to Auburn. Stanford needs everything to line up right to make a run like that. Those academic heavy first schools have depth issues (we do too I know). I get what you're saying, but if we are being very very real about the reality of this all, Auburn historically also needs the planets to line up pretty perfectly for us to make a run. The only difference is they lined up for us a few times recently. But getting Cam Newton and The Kick Six/Miracle at JH was everything lining up perfectly. Lol Note: Our last bowl win was Music City massacre in 2018. And though we have been ranked more recently, we haven't finished a season ranked in the top 25 since before Gus got fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPvsOA 287 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, NWALA Tiger said: Perhaps. But we can't make a habit of losing kids to Stanford Then we may need to invest in NIL for top professors. 😁 Edited June 27, 2023 by HAPvsOA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWALA Tiger 3,535 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 30 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said: Stanford and Auburn each had 5 NFL draft picks this year. Since the year 2000 Auburn has had 76 players taken and Stanford has had 74. Lol. Average salary of a Stanford grad ten years, graduates earn $122,900 on average. Average salary of an Auburn grad after ten years, graduates earn $54,100 on average. STANFORD should NEVER EVER make it a habit to lose anyone to Auburn that it wants. It's alot deeper discussion than that But as a general rule, we should win out over Stanford. I wonder what your analysis would say uf you inserted Vandy for Stanford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 11,010 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, NWALA Tiger said: It's alot deeper discussion than that But as a general rule, we should win out over Stanford. I wonder what your analysis would say uf you inserted Vandy for Stanford? It wouldn't work for Vandy because they have only drafted 28 people since 2000. The point of the post is we see ourselves on the pedistool looking down on Stanford, but their football program offers just as much NFL opportunity and the school is WAY better. Also, please do take note of the fact that Stanford is the #1 rated athletic institution in the country. Auburn is #88. https://www.ncsasports.org/best-colleges/best-college-athletic-programs Edited June 27, 2023 by AuCivilEng1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sizzle 3,913 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 43 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said: THIS^^^^^ Stanford and Auburn each had 5 NFL draft picks this year. Since the year 2000 Auburn has had 76 players taken and Stanford has had 74. Lol. We aren't as "elite" as we like to think we are. That makes Stanford even more impressive tbh because they can’t take as many recruits as we can. There’s only a select few they can take and they still have as many draft picks we do the past 20 years. Some Auburn fans need to wake up and realize Auburn and the SEC ain’t the end all be all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 11,010 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, Sizzle said: That makes Stanford even more impressive tbh because they can’t take as many recruits as we can. There’s only a select few they can take and they still have as many draft picks we do the past 20 years. Some Auburn fans need to wake up and realize Auburn and the SEC ain’t the end all be all We aren't. I love Auburn and always will, but Stanford is just athletically and academically a superior institution. That's just the cold hard truth. We tend to have this elitist mindset when it comes to football, because we are in the SEC. But to be honest, other programs are elevating the SEC's status on a way higher level than Auburn is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yngwie1995 2,229 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said: I get what you're saying, but if we are being very very real about the reality of this all, Auburn historically also needs the planets to line up pretty perfectly for us to make a run. The only difference is they lined up for us a few times recently. But getting Cam Newton and The Kick Six/Miracle at JH was everything lining up perfectly. Lol Note: Our last bowl win was Music City massacre in 2018. And though we have been ranked more recently, we haven't finished a season ranked in the top 25 since before Gus got fired. We didn't need any luck in 2017. That last stat doesn't really make any sense. So we never finished ranked in 2 seasons with Harsin? 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWALA Tiger 3,535 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said: It wouldn't work for Vandy because they have only drafted 28 people since 2000. The point of the post is we see ourselves on the pedistool looking down on Stanford, but their football program offers just as much NFL opportunity and the school is WAY better. Also, please do take note of the fact that Stanford is the #1 rated athletic institution in the country. Auburn is #88. https://www.ncsasports.org/best-colleges/best-college-athletic-programs I'm not knocking a Stanford education. But, I should rephrase my post. We should get to the point as a program where we don't lose recruiting battles to Stanford. Kinda like the place big dogs in our conference are at. Edited June 27, 2023 by NWALA Tiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 11,010 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, NWALA Tiger said: We should get to the point as a program where we don't lose recruiting battles to Stanford. Kinda like the big dogs in our conference do. I agree with you there. But we have a long long way to go, to offer so much that a kid would give up that kind of opportunity to come play at Auburn. Bama and Georgia are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 11,010 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, yngwie1995 said: We didn't need any luck in 2017. That last stat doesn't really make any sense. So we never finished ranked in 2 seasons with Harsin? 🤷♂️ What did we ACTUALLY get in 2017? Lol. We won the west. I'll concede that. We lost our bowl, we ended with 5 losses, and the two teams we hung our hat on beating played for the natty. 2017 was very fun, but it was all for nothing, tbh. Just another average Gus season, in the end. And yes, if we are knocking Stanford for not being ranked the last 3 years, its only fair to point out that this has been an absolutely awful last 3 years for Auburn football as well. Edited June 27, 2023 by AuCivilEng1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.E.D 11,070 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 41 minutes ago, woodford said: Haven't been ranked since 2019 Haven't won a bowl since 2018 Last double digit win season was 2016 Have we? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yngwie1995 2,229 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said: What did we ACTUALLY get in 2017? Lol. We won the west. I'll concede that. We lost our bowl, we ended with 5 losses, and the two teams we hung our hat on beating played for the natty. 2017 was very fun, but it was all for nothing, tbh. Just another average Gus season, in the end. And yes, if we are knocking Stanford for not being ranked the last 3 years, its only fair to point out that this has been an absolutely awful last 3 years for Auburn football as well. It was actually 4 total losses. 2 close losses during the regular season, on the road at Clemson (Cox snap-spinner anyone?) and LSU (Gus blew that one after we started out dominating). The 3rd in the SECCG in Georgia's backyard. Hard to beat a team twice, especially after we curb stomped them in the regular season (and Kerryon got hurt against bama). Anyway, it was a solid season, up until the end. 1 win away from the playoffs. The loss to UCF was after we really didn't have much left to play for. Carlton Davis sat that one out, and it was UCF's Super Bowl. They even claimed a natty "for beating the team that beat Alabama and Georgia" 🙄. And yeah, 2 of the last 3 years were under Harsin. Those don't count! 🤣 Edited June 27, 2023 by yngwie1995 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metafour 4,969 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 33 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said: I agree with you there. But we have a long long way to go, to offer so much that a kid would give up that kind of opportunity to come play at Auburn. Bama and Georgia are there. We don't have a "long way to go". The vast majority of the level of athletes that a football program such as Auburn will want to entice will have little interest in a "Stanford education". The Stanford effect entices a small segment of "top" football recruits per year; the rest of them (ie: the majority) think they're going to the NFL and will make millions - they aren't going to be choosing a school because they think they'll be working for the UN ten years from now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 11,010 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 minute ago, metafour said: We don't have a "long way to go". The vast majority of the level of athletes that a football program such as Auburn will want to entice will have little interest in a "Stanford education". The Stanford effect entices a small segment of "top" football recruits per year; the rest of them (ie: the majority) think they're going to the NFL and will make millions - they aren't going to be choosing a school because they think they'll be working for the UN ten years from now. I disagree. If you take every student athlete who can get into Stanford and has the talent and build to be in the NFL and offer them Auburn vs Stanford, I would be willing to bet anything that we don't get the majority. I have no clue if there is any documentation of this, and I don't even know how to find out. So I'm strictly just going off of opinion here. Auburn doesn't have any evidence to back up that it's significantly better for a football plater who is interested in going pro. So how would they even begin to make that pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUApostle 7,651 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said: I disagree. If you take every student athlete who can get into Stanford and has the talent and build to be in the NFL and offer them Auburn vs Stanford, I would be willing to bet anything that we don't get the majority. I have no clue if there is any documentation of this, and I don't even know how to find out. So I'm strictly just going off of opinion here. Auburn doesn't have any evidence to back up that it's significantly better for a football plater who is interested in going pro. So how would they even begin to make that pitch? He's been typing a while...this should a be a doozy. Thoughts and prayers... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gowebb11 9,323 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Cardin Drake said: Kid has NFL potential. If he wants to maximize his chances, he should still come to Auburn and play in the SEC. Value of that dwarfs the value of his Stanford degree. Plenty of Stanford o linemen make it to the NFL. More than from AU as of late April of this year. I wish House a great career. https://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/active-nfl-players-by-college/stanford/91901 https://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/active-nfl-players-by-college/auburn/90061 Edited June 27, 2023 by Gowebb11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metafour 4,969 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said: I disagree. If you take every student athlete who can get into Stanford and has the talent and build to be in the NFL and offer them Auburn vs Stanford, I would be willing to bet anything that we don't get the majority. I have no clue if there is any documentation of this, and I don't even know how to find out. So I'm strictly just going off of opinion here. Auburn doesn't have any evidence to back up that it's significantly better for a football plater who is interested in going pro. So how would they even begin to make that pitch? The mistake you are making is assuming that 4 and 5 star football recruits care that much about "academics". The vast majority don't, especially in the South where most of the talent resides. These are career athletes groomed by families who are certain an NFL future is in their cards. Most of them can't get into Stanford because they have no interest in a career outside football. That's the point. Yes, there are some - and Stanford has been able to sway some 4-star talents away from traditional football powers using their educational pitch. But let's cut the crap here: of the Top 250 football recruits each year, what percentage do you think care so much about academics that they would make it a sticking point in their recruitment? Again, it's a small percentage. Theoretically one can make the NFL out of anywhere. It happens every year. Stanford has an empty stadium and they're currently lost in a dying conference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sizzle 3,913 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 hour ago, NWALA Tiger said: I'm not knocking a Stanford education. But, I should rephrase my post. We should get to the point as a program where we don't lose recruiting battles to Stanford. Kinda like the place big dogs in our conference are at. We won't have to worry about many recruiting battles with Stanford in the first place because 99% of guys we recruit can't get into Stanford anyway 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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