Republicans now own the border

[Cardin Drake 1,828]

39 minutes ago, homersapien said:

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-data-show-migrants-were-more-likely-be-released-trump-biden

New Data Show Migrants Were More Likely to Be Released by Trump Than Biden

 

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record

"By taking 535 immigration actions over its first three years, the Biden administration has already outpaced the 472 immigration-related executive actions undertaken in all four years of President Donald Trump’s term. Partly as result of these efforts, legal immigration is returning to and in some cases surpassing pre-pandemic levels, including refugee admissions on pace to reach the highs of the 1990s; a new border process seeking to discourage irregular arrivals has been adopted; temporary humanitarian protections have been extended to hundreds of thousands of migrants; and enforcement priorities have been focused on narrower categories of unauthorized immigrants. Combined, these changes have fulfilled some of President Joe Biden’s campaign promises, helped bolster the U.S. economy, and reduced fears of seemingly arbitrary enforcement against removable noncitizens."

 

https://connolly.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=4691

MYTH: The Biden administration has implemented an “open border” policy that has created chaos at our border with Mexico.

TRUTH: President Biden inherited an immigration system in tatters. The Trump administration cut off legal pathways to citizenship, leaving would-be migrants with fewer lawful methods of entering the country. They cut funding to Central American countries in 2019 as they splurged on an ineffective, costly wall.

It was the Trump administration that tightened sanctions on Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua, exacerbating the macroeconomic crises that have led hundreds of thousands to flee and arrive at the southern border. When they pulled the rug out from various, essential assistance programs, they made the problem worse.
But our immigration system has been broken for many decades — long before Joe Biden or Donald Trump took the oath of office. Time and again, Democrats have proposed solutions to fix the immigration system in a reasonable, humane way. And time and again, Republicans have opposed these efforts at every turn.

One might recall that in 2013, House Republicans thwarted comprehensive immigration reform after an agreement was reached in the Senate. Many of those same House Republicans who prevented that legislation from passing are now intent on blaming irregular migration, an issue our country has dealt with for over a century, solely on the Biden administration.

There’s only one problem with their affinity for blaming Democrats — it doesn’t hold up to basic scrutiny. In fact, between December 2022 and January 2023, the Biden-Harris administration halved the number of encounters at the border and reduced the number of Cuban, Venezuelan, Nicaraguan, and Haitian migrants by 97 percent.
MYTH: The Biden administration has implemented an “open border” policy that has created chaos at our border with Mexico.

TRUTH: President Biden inherited an immigration system in tatters. The Trump administration cut off legal pathways to citizenship, leaving would-be migrants with fewer lawful methods of entering the country. They cut funding to Central American countries in 2019 as they splurged on an ineffective, costly wall.

It was the Trump administration that tightened sanctions on Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua, exacerbating the macroeconomic crises that have led hundreds of thousands to flee and arrive at the southern border. When they pulled the rug out from various, essential assistance programs, they made the problem worse.

But our immigration system has been broken for many decades — long before Joe Biden or Donald Trump took the oath of office. Time and again, Democrats have proposed solutions to fix the immigration system in a reasonable, humane way. And time and again, Republicans have opposed these efforts at every turn.

One might recall that in 2013, House Republicans thwarted comprehensive immigration reform after an agreement was reached in the Senate. Many of those same House Republicans who prevented that legislation from passing are now intent on blaming irregular migration, an issue our country has dealt with for over a century, solely on the Biden administration.

There’s only one problem with their affinity for blaming Democrats — it doesn’t hold up to basic scrutiny. In fact, between December 2022 and January 2023, the Biden-Harris administration halved the number of encounters at the border and reduced the number of Cuban, Venezuelan, Nicaraguan, and Haitian migrants by 97 percent.

MYTH: The Biden administration has ignored the border and is refusing to commit proper resources to it.

TRUTH: The idea that Democrats have ignored the situation at the border and refused to commit resources to solving it is another outright lie. In reality, the Biden-Harris administration and congressional Democrats have surged record levels of funding to the border.

The FY23 government funding package that President Biden signed into law provided Border Patrol with $7.153 billion — a 17 percent increase from the year before. Additionally, the funding package provided $65 million for 300 new Border Patrol agents, $60 million for 125 new personnel at points of entry; and $230 million for technology like autonomous surveillance towers.

House Republicans voted against this historic funding.

MYTH: Biden’s “open border” policies allow undocumented immigrants to flood the country with deadly fentanyl.

TRUTH: Republicans continue to blame vulnerable migrants fleeing violence, hunger, and natural disasters for illicit drug smuggling, but facts are stubborn things. Over 90 percent of fentanyl, and over 80 percent of total illegal narcotics, arrive at legal points of entry—not between them—and are smuggled largely by Americans—not undocumented migrants. In fact, migrants accounted for less than 9 percent of fentanyl trafficking convictions in FY 21, compared to more than 86 percent for American citizens.

In December 2022, CBP seized 4,500 pounds of fentanyl, the largest amount ever recorded. Incredibly, just five of those 4,500 pounds were seized at the border by U.S. Border Patrol. Republicans are focused on 1 percent of the problem, 100 percent of the time.

MYTH: Biden’s “open border” policies have allowed criminals and terrorists to pour over the southern border unchecked, contributing to a spike in crime in America.

TRUTH: Study after study has shown that undocumented immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Alternatives to Detention Program provides a strong example: The latest data from ICE released on Feb. 3, 2023, demonstrated 99.4 percent of immigrants monitored on ICE’s Alternatives to Detention Program attended their court hearings compared to the .6 percent which failed to attend their hearing.

Not all undocumented immigrants are tracked through this program, but immigrants, when paroled into the United States, overwhelmingly are lawful individuals that attend their court hearings. An American Immigration Council report found that over the past 11 years, an overwhelming 83 percent of immigrants attended their immigration court hearings, and those who failed to appear in court often did not receive notice or faced hardship in getting to court.

Republicans who assert the Biden administration is releasing countless dangerous migrants into the country are not only trafficking in xenophobic, anti-immigrant sentiment, but they are also peddling lies that are categorically false.

The situation at the border demands serious policy solutions that provide a pathway to citizenship for DACA recipients; address the root causes of migration like repression, political instability, violence, hunger, and lack of economic opportunity; and fix our own broken immigration system.

 

 

The most disheartening thing about the left is their complete dishonesty. If you want an open border, just say so. All this bull**** is insulting. Trump closed the border by following the law and requiring people who claimed amnesty to remain in Mexico.  That slowed the flow into the states to a trickle. He only accomplished that by fighting endless lawsuits from the left.  Biden refuses to follow the law, creating a magnet bringing in waves of illegal immigrants.  He allows them to wait in the U.S. for their amnesty hearing, now scheduled a decade out. That is a defacto open border in contravention of current U.S. law.   The reason democrats are so anxious to pass more legislation is that they want to weaken the law, which is crystal clear.  We don't need new laws. We need democrats to start following the ones we have.

[auburnatl1 4,924]

1 hour ago, Cardin Drake said:

The most disheartening thing about the left is their complete dishonesty. If you want an open border, just say so. All this bull**** is insulting. Trump closed the border by following the law and requiring people who claimed amnesty to remain in Mexico.  That slowed the flow into the states to a trickle. He only accomplished that by fighting endless lawsuits from the left.  Biden refuses to follow the law, creating a magnet bringing in waves of illegal immigrants.  He allows them to wait in the U.S. for their amnesty hearing, now scheduled a decade out. That is a defacto open border in contravention of current U.S. law.   The reason democrats are so anxious to pass more legislation is that they want to weaken the law, which is crystal clear.  We don't need new laws. We need democrats to start following the ones we have.

General election strategy used to be trying to win independents - which moderated both parties. The new political strategy has been to energize and pander to your base. So you now have  Dems who won’t address the border the GOP who wants to practically build mine fields.

[I_M4_AU 7,839]

13 hours ago, AU9377 said:

You  honestly believe that?

In their own words.  

 

Why don’t you believe it?

[auburnatl1 4,924]

14 hours ago, AU9377 said:

You  honestly believe that?

I disagreed with trumps villainizing the immigrants, 100 ft walls, ect. However, in his own moronic way he did at least make it a major priority. Biden literally would not even talk about it his 1st year. He didn’t have a plan b, he just destroyed trumps plan.

[homersapien 11,374]

5 hours ago, Cardin Drake said:

The most disheartening thing about the left is their complete dishonesty. If you want an open border, just say so. All this bull**** is insulting. Trump closed the border by following the law and requiring people who claimed amnesty to remain in Mexico.  That slowed the flow into the states to a trickle. He only accomplished that by fighting endless lawsuits from the left.  Biden refuses to follow the law, creating a magnet bringing in waves of illegal immigrants.  He allows them to wait in the U.S. for their amnesty hearing, now scheduled a decade out. That is a defacto open border in contravention of current U.S. law.   The reason democrats are so anxious to pass more legislation is that they want to weaken the law, which is crystal clear.  We don't need new laws. We need democrats to start following the ones we have.

MYTH: The Biden administration has implemented an “open border” policy that has created chaos at our border with Mexico.

TRUTH: President Biden inherited an immigration system in tatters. The Trump administration cut off legal pathways to citizenship, leaving would-be migrants with fewer lawful methods of entering the country. They cut funding to Central American countries in 2019 as they splurged on an ineffective, costly wall.

It was the Trump administration that tightened sanctions on Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua, exacerbating the macroeconomic crises that have led hundreds of thousands to flee and arrive at the southern border. When they pulled the rug out from various, essential assistance programs, they made the problem worse.

But our immigration system has been broken for many decades — long before Joe Biden or Donald Trump took the oath of office. Time and again, Democrats have proposed solutions to fix the immigration system in a reasonable, humane way. And time and again, Republicans have opposed these efforts at every turn.

One might recall that in 2013, House Republicans thwarted comprehensive immigration reform after an agreement was reached in the Senate. Many of those same House Republicans who prevented that legislation from passing are now intent on blaming irregular migration, an issue our country has dealt with for over a century, solely on the Biden administration.

There’s only one problem with their affinity for blaming Democrats — it doesn’t hold up to basic scrutiny. In fact, between December 2022 and January 2023, the Biden-Harris administration halved the number of encounters at the border and reduced the number of Cuban, Venezuelan, Nicaraguan, and Haitian migrants by 97 percent.

[homersapien 11,374]

2 hours ago, auburnatl1 said:

I disagreed with trumps villainizing the immigrants, 100 ft walls, ect. However, in his own moronic way he did at least make it a major priority. Biden literally would not even talk about it his 1st year. He didn’t have a plan b, he just destroyed trumps plan.

It was a priority because xenophobia is one of the pillars of "populist politics" (Fascism).

Edited January 26 by homersapien

[Cardin Drake 1,828]

10 minutes ago, homersapien said:

MYTH: The Biden administration has implemented an “open border” policy that has created chaos at our border with Mexico.

TRUTH: President Biden inherited an immigration system in tatters. The Trump administration cut off legal pathways to citizenship, leaving would-be migrants with fewer lawful methods of entering the country. They cut funding to Central American countries in 2019 as they splurged on an ineffective, costly wall.

It was the Trump administration that tightened sanctions on Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua, exacerbating the macroeconomic crises that have led hundreds of thousands to flee and arrive at the southern border. When they pulled the rug out from various, essential assistance programs, they made the problem worse.

But our immigration system has been broken for many decades — long before Joe Biden or Donald Trump took the oath of office. Time and again, Democrats have proposed solutions to fix the immigration system in a reasonable, humane way. And time and again, Republicans have opposed these efforts at every turn.

One might recall that in 2013, House Republicans thwarted comprehensive immigration reform after an agreement was reached in the Senate. Many of those same House Republicans who prevented that legislation from passing are now intent on blaming irregular migration, an issue our country has dealt with for over a century, solely on the Biden administration.

There’s only one problem with their affinity for blaming Democrats — it doesn’t hold up to basic scrutiny. In fact, between December 2022 and January 2023, the Biden-Harris administration halved the number of encounters at the border and reduced the number of Cuban, Venezuelan, Nicaraguan, and Haitian migrants by 97 percent.

You can repost it as many times as you want. It's still bull****.

[homersapien 11,374]

8 minutes ago, Cardin Drake said:

You can repost it as many times as you want. It's still bull****.

Standard cult response when confronted with facts:  "Fake News" 

 

Edited January 26 by homersapien

[Cardin Drake 1,828]

You're hopeless Homer. Facts just don't matter to you. Have you even read this thread?  Trump's gonna get 12 jurors just like you in his DC trial. SMH.

[homersapien 11,374]

5 minutes ago, Cardin Drake said:

You're hopeless Homer. Facts just don't matter to you. Have you even read this thread?  Trump's gonna get 12 jurors just like you in his DC trial. SMH.

One can only hope the jury will be filled with people who respect the facts, instead of Trump cultists.

[homersapien 11,374]

23 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

Republicans don't want a fix. The Trump campaign has instructed McConnell to stop all deals and negotiations for action on the border because Trump wants to make it a central topic of his upcoming 2024 campaign against Biden, and they don't want any deal to improve the border situation and blunt Trumps message. 

 

Since the economy is growing and improving Republicans are starting to become afraid that they wont have the ammunition they need to attack Biden this upcoming election. 

 

FACT

[auburnatl1 4,924]

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

One can only hope the jury will be filled with people who respect the facts, instead of Trump cultists.

As you know, I feel Trump is a failed leader and a traitor. But Biden needs to EO quick on this - or this one issue alone may cost him.

And it’s still increasing.

Edited January 26 by auburnatl1

[CoffeeTiger 5,108]

16 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

As you know, I feel Trump is a failed leader and a traitor. But Biden’s needs to EO quick on this - or this one issue alone may cost him.

And it’s still increasing.

 

I agree. Biden and his team have and are mishandling the border situation and the messaging they are putting out on it. 

I don't think Biden needs to do anything crazy like Trump or Republicans propose, but he does need to take some action and then advertise that action to the American people. He needs to stop being afraid of alienating the far left progressive  so much when it is the more moderate and conservative Dems who will win or cost him the election. 

 

If Dems can retake messaging on the boarder they will take a lot of wind out of the sails of the Republicans 2024 reelection campaigns. 

[auburnatl1 4,924]

1 minute ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

I agree. Biden and his team have and are mishandling the border situation and the messaging they are putting out on it. 

I don't think Biden needs to do anything crazy like Trump or Republicans propose, but he does need to take some action and then advertise that action to the American people. He needs to stop being afraid of alienating the far left progressive  so much when it is the more moderate and conservative Dems who will win or cost him the election. 

 

If Dems can retake messaging on the boarder they will take a lot of wind out of the sails of the Republicans 2024 reelection campaigns. 

It’s not just about messaging. - it’s about numbers. Results. That chart is probably going to be under trumps election poster. Biden needs to show more of a parabola in 24.

[CoffeeTiger 5,108]

57 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

It’s not just about messaging. - it’s about numbers. Results. That chart is probably going to be under trumps election poster. Biden needs to show more of a parabola in 24.

That chart you posted? 
 

easiest way to fix that would be for Biden to order the border patrol to stop catching/apprehending illegals and then the numbers would down. 

[SaltyTiger 7,808]

1 hour ago, CoffeeTiger said:

That chart you posted? 
 

easiest way to fix that would be for Biden to order the border patrol to stop catching/apprehending illegals and then the numbers would down. 

Can he issue that order? 

[AUFAN78 3,900]

21 hours ago, alanevans said:

Obama issued an Executive Order when Republicans wouldn’t work with him and you all went nuts saying he was being a king, Trump did it and you loved it

You all? Please quote me on your claim. I'll wait. 

[AUFAN78 3,900]

Our national security and national sovereignty should not be red issues or blue issues. They are red, white and blue issues. That’s the truth.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2024/01/25/biden-border-security-immigration-mexico-canada/72324308007/

[SaltyTiger 7,808]

3 hours ago, auburnatl1 said:

Results.

Thank you. Hard for some people to relate I suppose. 

[AU9377 4,933]

15 hours ago, Cardin Drake said:

I think you are the one with a false assumption. Biden needs to be impeached for this:

Any alien subject to the procedures under this clause shall be detained pending a final determination of credible fear of persecution and, if found not to have such a fear, until removed. [Emphasis added]

ROFL 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[AUFAN78 3,900]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2817412/real-reason-senate-border-deal-collapsed/

The narrative creation merchants are busy Thursday morning trying to cast the collapse of border security talks between Senate Republicans and the White House as a cynical ploy to help former President Donald Trump’s campaign at the expense of ending the border crisis.

Punchbowl News’s Jake Sherman is reporting that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) “told Republican senators that time had essentially run out on trying to craft a Ukraine-border package.”

“McConnell has now shifted blame on the border to Trump,” Sherman continued. “And Democrats get a very useful talking point — Republicans walked away from a bipartisan deal that could’ve helped stem the crisis at the border.”

It was very kind of Sherman to help Democrats create a new talking point. A completely false talking point. Nothing in the deal the Senate was negotiating with the White House would have “helped stem the crisis at the border.”

What the deal would have done is give Democratic-run cities and states billions of dollars to help house, clothe, feed, educate, and provide healthcare for the thousands of illegal immigrants busting their budgets.

Would this massive bailout have silenced Democratic mayor and governor complaints of President Joe Biden’s handling of the border? Absolutely.

Would it have done anything to “stem” the flow of migrants illegally crossing the border? Absolutely not. In fact, it would have made it worse.

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[auburnatl1 4,924]

20 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

 

 

Ah, Matt’s been thinking again. So I assume you want to unconditionally support Israel but bail on Ukraine.  Right? This is the part about maga that really hurts my head.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-warning-sign-israel-reaches-all-time-low-in-annual-corruption-index/amp/

[I_M4_AU 7,839]

27 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

Ah, Matt’s been thinking again. So I assume you want to unconditionally support Israel but bail on Ukraine.  Right? This is the part about maga that really hurts my head.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-warning-sign-israel-reaches-all-time-low-in-annual-corruption-index/amp/

Israel has a of 63 out of 100 on the corruption scale:

The report, published on Tuesday morning, showed that Israel scored 63 out of 100 – an increase from 2021’s 59/100 score. The increase also reverses a five-year downtrend in Israel’s corruption score.

Countries that had a similar score to Israel include the United Arab Emirates and Chile, who each earned a score of 67, Estonia (74), the USA (69), South Korea (63), Portugal (62) and Spain (60). Iran scored just 25 out of 100 on the index.

https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/article-730130

The challenge is daunting: Ukraine is among the most corrupt countries in Europe and toward the bottom globally. According to Transparency International, its 2022 Corruption Perception Index was still 33/100, ranking 116 out of 180 countries. The realities have prompted foreign investors to shy away, or in some cases run away, from a nation seen as a playground controlled by a handful of oligarchs.

https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/ukraine-war-corruption-2/

Israel is on par with the US on the world corruption scale and Ukraine is on par with Russia.

Your point loses a lot when the whole scale is published.

As Matt says it is going to be a tough sell with the corruption in Ukraine.

[auburnatl1 4,924]

19 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Israel has a of 63 out of 100 on the corruption scale:

The report, published on Tuesday morning, showed that Israel scored 63 out of 100 – an increase from 2021’s 59/100 score. The increase also reverses a five-year downtrend in Israel’s corruption score.

Countries that had a similar score to Israel include the United Arab Emirates and Chile, who each earned a score of 67, Estonia (74), the USA (69), South Korea (63), Portugal (62) and Spain (60). Iran scored just 25 out of 100 on the index.

https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/article-730130

The challenge is daunting: Ukraine is among the most corrupt countries in Europe and toward the bottom globally. According to Transparency International, its 2022 Corruption Perception Index was still 33/100, ranking 116 out of 180 countries. The realities have prompted foreign investors to shy away, or in some cases run away, from a nation seen as a playground controlled by a handful of oligarchs.

https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/ukraine-war-corruption-2/

Israel is on par with the US on the world corruption scale and Ukraine is on par with Russia.

Your point loses a lot when the whole scale is published.

As Matt says it is going to be a tough sell with the corruption in Ukraine.

Corruption? If you’re not in US/canada, Western Europe, Japan, Australia, and very few others - there’s systemic corruption in every country.  Including israel. Theres a scandal a day. I won’t get into a who’s worse in corruption debate since I suspect that’s far from the real issue on maga picking favorites anyway. Hint - it’s religion