Age old debate...

[Boonan 0]

I was reading about the Supreme Court taking on a couple of abortion cases (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/11/29/scotus.abortion/index.html), and while I didn't look and it has probably been discussed somehwere around here, I feel like bringing it up.

Personally, I think of abortion as nothing but homocide. There really isn't much else to my opinion than that.

The only thing I would even consider giving credence to has to do with the health-of-the-mother argument, but it would have to be an extreme case for me to even give it half a thought.

What annoys me the most is people like the lady in the article who want it available because they did something stupid when they were young. It's called consequences. If you run someone over while you're drunk, you can't undo it, and in my opinion, this is the same thing.

Any differences of opinion are welcome, that is what these places are for.

[AURaptor 1,126]

I'll bite. I doubt anyone will change their mind on this issue, but to be honest, I've reconsidered the issue. As I've grown up, seen nephews, nieces and children of close friends grow up, I've seen a fair amont of life. Not only the life of an idividual grow up, but how that single life changes those around him/her. I guess it's a realization that a person either arrives at or doesn't. I grew up with abortion being legal pretty much all my life. I don't if I'd agree that it should be outlawed, or what impact a reversal of Roe v Wade would have on our society. Technically, as I understand it, turning RvW over wouldn't outlaw abortion, but revert it back to a State's Rights isssue.

One thing I'm certain of is this. Calling a woman's choice to abort a " woman's health issue" is a scam. Over the years, I've grown to understand the deceptive word play that those on the Left engage in, and how subtle semantics on such issues can greatly influence how people perceive the issue.

[Tigermike 3,053]

Here is an interesting article just posted today.

December 1, 2005

The Abortion Argument We Missed

By George Will

WASHINGTON -- Henry J. Friendly, who died in 1986, was perhaps the most distinguished American judge never to serve on the Supreme Court, and he almost spared the nation the poisonous consequences of that court's 1973 truncation of democratic debate about abortion policy. The story of that missed blessing was told recently by Judge A. Raymond Randolph of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, in an address to the Federalist Society.

In 1970, Friendly, then on the Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, was a member of a three-judge panel that heard the first abortion-rights case ever filed in a federal court, alleging the unconstitutionality of New York's abortion laws. Friendly wrote a preliminary opinion that was never issued because, in that pre-Roe era, democracy was allowed to function: New York's Legislature legalized abortion on demand during the first 24 weeks of pregnancy, causing the three-judge panel to dismiss the case as moot.

In 1965, the Supreme Court, citing a constitutional right to privacy, struck down a Connecticut law criminalizing the use of contraceptives. In 1968, a University of Alabama law professor, although acknowledging that legislative reforms of abortion laws were advancing nationwide, suggested a route to reform -- judicial fiat -- that would be quicker and easier than democratic persuasion. The tactic would be to get courts -- ideally, the Supreme Court -- to declare, building on the Connecticut case, that restrictions on abortions violate a privacy right that is a ``penumbral right emanating from values'' embodied in various provisions of the U.S. Constitution, as applied to the states through the 14th Amendment.

Which is what the Supreme Court did in 1973. But in 1970, when that argument reached Friendly, he warned in his preliminary opinion about the argument's ``disturbing sweep,'' and its invitation to judicial imprudence.

The assertion of such a privacy right would, he said, invalidate ``a great variety'' of statutes that existed when the 14th Amendment was adopted -- e.g., those against attempted suicide, bestiality, even drug use. And, Friendly wrote, it would be rash to suddenly find that the Constitution is an absolute impediment to the New York Legislature's deciding that a fetus deserves some protection. Declining to join the debate about when a fetus becomes a human being, Friendly wrote: ``It is enough that the legislature was not required to accept plaintiffs' demeaning characterizations of (the fetus),'' which is ``something more than inert matter.'' He continued:

``We would not wish our refusal to declare New York's abortion law unconstitutional as in any way approving or 'legitimating' it. The arguments for repeal are strong; those for substantial modification are stronger still. ... But the decision what to do about abortion is for the elected representatives of the people, not for three, or even nine, appointed judges.''

Three years later, the Supreme Court turned all policy choices about abortion -- even such details as spousal notification -- into matters of constitutional law. Who now really thinks that this exploitation of what Friendly called ``the vague contours of the 14th Amendment'' was wise?

The day after Roe was decided, The New York Times called it a ``resolution'' of the abortion issue. Not really. Roe short-circuited a democratic process of accommodating abortion differences -- a process that had produced a larger increase in the number of legal abortions in the three years before Roe than would occur in the three years after.

Since 1973, the privacy right has, as Judge Randolph says, ``morphed.'' Its original constitutional meaning pertained to preserving personal seclusion and keeping personal information secret. Now it means personal autonomy -- everyone's right to do whatever he or she pleases so long as others are not harmed.

That idea has a distinguished pedigree. John Stuart Mill wrote in ``On Liberty'' (1859): ``The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.'' That libertarian doctrine is, Randolph says, a defensible position for a legislature to take, but nothing in the Constitution's history or text suggests that Mill's philosophy is mandatory.

In the polarized post-Roe politics, many Democrats are now poised to oppose the confirmation of Sam Alito on the ground that abortion rights, unlike all other rights (to free speech, private property, etc.), must be utterly unrestricted. Because Americans recoil from such immoderation, Democrats, after three decades of political difficulties, have reason to believe, if not the reasonableness to recognize, that they, especially, would have been better off if Friendly's preliminary opinion had been issued and if it had spared the nation Roe's diminishment of democracy and embitterment of politics.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentar...12_1_05_GW.html

[WarTim 3,457]

If you want to find out what folks REALLY "think" about the issue, go ahead and give in to the "Mother's health" argument. That would make about 92% of all abortions illegal.

IT is all about LAZY birth control....period.

p.s. I agree that it is murder as well.