uat WORST offense in SEC

[GalensGhost 0]

I can't remember how many times I've heard the saying "throw the records out the door because this is the Iron Bowl" and the saying is correct,

Actually? You might want to get the record books back out. That saying really doesn't hold water when it comes to the AU/AL game. Throwing the record books out would be a mistake.

I'll let you do the research, but the fact is that when it comes to the AU/AL game, the "record books" really do count for something. Upsets are, in fact, extremely rare.

Anybody have the research handy?

I agree. I said the same thing on my post on page 3 of this thread. I don't have the data handy to show it but I know it to be true. let the doubters disprove it.

Yeah, I saw your reply. After I had replied, of course. That's the trouble with reading a thread from start to finish and replying as you go. Sometimes you tread the same ground that's already been trod.

[au9596 0]

BREAKING NEWS - WEST VANCE

The first team offense was preparing for their game against Duke this week going head to head with the second team defense. Keneth Darby took a handoff in the red zone from Sarah Jessica Parker Wilson and broke two tackles before encountering a white chalky line, wider than all the others on the field. He immediately turned around and ran in the opposite direction and found CMS to inquire on what it could be. CMS immediately stopped practice and called Haz-Mat to the scene fearful of a terrorist attack. Of course when Haz-Mat arrived they had to inform the team that there was nothing to worry about it was just the goaline.

BAMA's BACK!!!!

WDE

Disclaimer: This is somewhat of a ripoff of something similar I read last year - do not remember where.

[ECEstudentUA 9]

ugh.........both of us have games this weekend...stop fighting like little girls......all this Bama should worry about Duke crap......AU should worry about .....so what if we had a horrible O last year......AU didnt win their bowl game, and was ranked lower than we were......let them have their fun and maybe the will slip in and really drop an a-bomb on their peoples national championship party.

[BamaGrad03 0]

I can't remember how many times I've heard the saying "throw the records out the door because this is the Iron Bowl" and the saying is correct,

Actually? You might want to get the record books back out. That saying really doesn't hold water when it comes to the AU/AL game. Throwing the record books out would be a mistake.

I'll let you do the research, but the fact is that when it comes to the AU/AL game, the "record books" really do count for something. Upsets are, in fact, extremely rare.

Anybody have the research handy?

I can remember back to back upsets in 01 and 02. I know in 93 we were favored.

[GalensGhost 0]

I can't remember how many times I've heard the saying "throw the records out the door because this is the Iron Bowl" and the saying is correct,

Actually? You might want to get the record books back out. That saying really doesn't hold water when it comes to the AU/AL game. Throwing the record books out would be a mistake.

I'll let you do the research, but the fact is that when it comes to the AU/AL game, the "record books" really do count for something. Upsets are, in fact, extremely rare.

Anybody have the research handy?

I can remember back to back upsets in 01 and 02. I know in 93 we were favored.

Okay, three out of 13 years. This is not a "throw the record books out" game and it never has been.

[WarTim 3,457]

Has uat's "program" FALLEN to the point that they have already given up on the rest of the season and are looking for an IB UPSET?

WOW! Things certainly have headed south for the smaller "school" in west vance!

[DKW 86 7,451]

the Record is something along the lines of 5-7 times the favored team wins.

If anyone has the 2002 game, it is a graphic in the late 1st/early 2nd quarter.

[quietfan 233]

Okay, I obviously have too much time on my hands, but I've been curious about this question for a while...I went back 35 years, using these two sites:

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/school...-mg-history.pdf

http://www.rolltide.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&...LID=291884#1970

I didn't have a site to give me the actual ranking or Vegas odds before each Iron Bowl, so I just went by W-L record of each school prior to the Iron bowl each year. [Certainly, on occasion, the team with the poorer record can still be favored in the game.] It's a little hard to read, but the columns go:

Year; AU prior record; Game Score AU/UA; UA prior record, with any upset winner (based on W-L records)listed after that. The upset years are in bold.

Year / AU Record /Ironbowl score/ UA Record / Upset winner?

1971 9-0 7 31 10-0

1972 8-1 17 16 10-0 AU

1973 6-4 0 35 10-0

1974 9-1 13 17 10-0

1975 3-5-2 0 28 9-1

1976 3-7 7 38 7-3

1977 5-5 21 48 9-1

1978 6-3-1 16 34 9-1

1979 8-2 18 25 10-0

1980 5-5 18 34 8-2

1981 5-5 17 28 8-1-1

1982 7-3 23 22 7-3

1983 9-1 23 20 7-3

1984 8-3 15 17 4-6 UA

1985 8-2 23 25 7-2-1 UA

1986 8-2 21 17 9-2 AU

1987 8-1-1 10 0 7-3

1988 9-1 15 10 7-2

1989 8-2 30 20 10-0 AU

1990 7-2-1 7 16 6-4 UA

1991 5-5 6 13 9-1

1992 5-4-1 0 17 10-0

1993 10-0 22 14 7-2-1*

1994 9-0-1 14 21 10-0

1995 7-3 31 27 8-2 AU

1996 7-3 23 24 8-2

1997 8-2 18 17 4-6

1998 3-7 17 31 6-4

1999 5-5 17 28 8-2

2000 8-2 9 0 3-7

2001 7-2 7 31 4-5 UA

2002 7-4 17 7 9-2 AU

2003 6-5 28 23 4-7

2004 10-0 21 13 6-4

2005 8-2 28 18 9-1 AU

By my calculations, out of 35 years, there have been 10 upsets based on best W-L record entering the game, or 28.6%--Six by Auburn, four by Bama. But again, I'm only looking at W-L records. Last year, for example, if memory serves, didn't most oddsmakers have us favored despite Bama's slightly better record? So that wouldn't really be an upset, would it?

Also, if pre-game records are nearly equal, as in 1985, 1986, and 2005, are these really clear upsets?

Note: I am NOT going back and triple checking my figures--too time consuming--so if there's an error I apologize in advance!

[JacksonJ 0]

Okay, I obviously have too much time on my hands, but I've been curious about this question for a while...I went back 35 years, using these two sites:

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/school...-mg-history.pdf

http://www.rolltide.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&...LID=291884#1970

I didn't have a site to give me the actual ranking or Vegas odds before each Iron Bowl, so I just went by W-L record of each school prior to the Iron bowl each year. [Certainly, on occasion, the team with the poorer record can still be favored in the game.] It's a little hard to read, but the columns go:

Year; AU prior record; Game Score AU/UA; UA prior record, with any upset winner (based on W-L records)listed after that. The upset years are in bold.

Year / AU Record /Ironbowl score/ UA Record / Upset winner?

1971 9-0 7 31 10-0

1972 8-1 17 16 10-0 AU

1973 6-4 0 35 10-0

1974 9-1 13 17 10-0

1975 3-5-2 0 28 9-1

1976 3-7 7 38 7-3

1977 5-5 21 48 9-1

1978 6-3-1 16 34 9-1

1979 8-2 18 25 10-0

1980 5-5 18 34 8-2

1981 5-5 17 28 8-1-1

1982 7-3 23 22 7-3

1983 9-1 23 20 7-3

1984 8-3 15 17 4-6 UA

1985 8-2 23 25 7-2-1 UA

1986 8-2 21 17 9-2 AU

1987 8-1-1 10 0 7-3

1988 9-1 15 10 7-2

1989 8-2 30 20 10-0 AU

1990 7-2-1 7 16 6-4 UA

1991 5-5 6 13 9-1

1992 5-4-1 0 17 10-0

1993 10-0 22 14 7-2-1*

1994 9-0-1 14 21 10-0

1995 7-3 31 27 8-2 AU

1996 7-3 23 24 8-2

1997 8-2 18 17 4-6

1998 3-7 17 31 6-4

1999 5-5 17 28 8-2

2000 8-2 9 0 3-7

2001 7-2 7 31 4-5 UA

2002 7-4 17 7 9-2 AU

2003 6-5 28 23 4-7

2004 10-0 21 13 6-4

2005 8-2 28 18 9-1 AU

By my calculations, out of 35 years, there have been 10 upsets based on best W-L record entering the game, or 28.6%--Six by Auburn, four by Bama. But again, I'm only looking at W-L records. Last year, for example, if memory serves, didn't most oddsmakers have us favored despite Bama's slightly better record? So that wouldn't really be an upset, would it?

Also, if pre-game records are nearly equal, as in 1985, 1986, and 2005, are these really clear upsets?

Note: I am NOT going back and triple checking my figures--too time consuming--so if there's an error I apologize in advance!

AU was in fact a favorite last year as well as 1989 even though the record was not as good.

[rolltoomer 0]

After watching AU play a few games this year...I wouldnt be proactively putting the Iron Bowl in the W column if I were an AU fan.

Interesting use of the term "proactive".

[rolltoomer 0]

Great thread... considering that we're 4th in the league in total offense and average 14 more ypg than you guys.

Our offense is no juggernaut, and our redzone #'s are killing us, but to call us the "worst offense in the SEC" is bullcrap. You gotta love the title too... And it's true the stats don't lie.

http://secsports.com/new/sports/fbc/06stats/confldrs.htm

The purpose of offense is to score points.

Everything else is WAAAY down on the scale--in the mud, even.

[rolltoomer 0]

In 1947, Alabama brought in the same team that had beaten Auburn 55-0 in '46.

Auburn won 14-13--probably the greatest upset of the series.

(There wasn't much in the record books at all.)

[AUslug 1]

Great thread... considering that we're 4th in the league in total offense and average 14 more ypg than you guys.

Our offense is no juggernaut, and our redzone #'s are killing us, but to call us the "worst offense in the SEC" is bullcrap. You gotta love the title too... And it's true the stats don't lie.

http://secsports.com/new/sports/fbc/06stats/confldrs.htm

The purpose of offense is to score points.

Everything else is WAAAY down on the scale--in the mud, even.

Auburn's offense is 89% in the red zone, Bama's is 69%. Auburn has scored 13 tds in the red zone while Bama has kicked 14 fgs in the red zone. The Tide can run up and down the field all day, Auburn just knows how to finish drives. The stats that jump out at me are the 5 sacks so far for Bama's defense and the fact that Bama has had more 3rd down plays than another team.

[bojack34 2]

woodshed material

[AUslug 1]

The story in the NFL about Shula's Tampa Bay offenses was that they got worse every year, same could be said for Bama's.

Point Totals by year

2003: 331

2004: 295

2005: 263

Right now Alabama is on pace to score 276 for the season but they still have to play LSU and Auburn who are giving up roughly a touchdown a game.

[BamaGrad03 0]

The story in the NFL about Shula's Tampa Bay offenses was that they got worse every year, same could be said for Bama's.

Point Totals by year

2003: 331

2004: 295

2005: 263

Right now Alabama is on pace to score 276 for the season but they still have to play LSU and Auburn who are giving up roughly a touchdown a game.

Another funny:

2003: 4-9

2004: 6-6

2005: 10-2

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

The story in the NFL about Shula's Tampa Bay offenses was that they got worse every year, same could be said for Bama's.

Point Totals by year

2003: 331

2004: 295

2005: 263

Right now Alabama is on pace to score 276 for the season but they still have to play LSU and Auburn who are giving up roughly a touchdown a game.

Another funny:

2003: 4-9

2004: 6-6

2005: 10-2

One more funny:

2006 Avg. Offense per game--276 yards

2006 record--8-4 (at best)

[DKW 86 7,451]

It used to be 300, not sure when it was changed, but it is 100 now. I just verified it in the board settings.

Anyway... back to the topic at hand...

Had a few folks recently, bama fans go figure, want to name their own title. I reset it to 100 from 300.

[DKW 86 7,451]

Okay, I obviously have too much time on my hands, but I've been curious about this question for a while...I went back 35 years, using these two sites:

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/school...-mg-history.pdf

http://www.rolltide.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&...LID=291884#1970

I didn't have a site to give me the actual ranking or Vegas odds before each Iron Bowl, so I just went by W-L record of each school prior to the Iron bowl each year. [Certainly, on occasion, the team with the poorer record can still be favored in the game.] It's a little hard to read, but the columns go:

Year; AU prior record; Game Score AU/UA; UA prior record, with any upset winner (based on W-L records)listed after that. The upset years are in bold.

Year / AU Record /Ironbowl score/ UA Record / Upset winner?

1971 9-0 7 31 10-0

1972 8-1 17 16 10-0 AU

1973 6-4 0 35 10-0

1974 9-1 13 17 10-0

1975 3-5-2 0 28 9-1

1976 3-7 7 38 7-3

1977 5-5 21 48 9-1

1978 6-3-1 16 34 9-1

1979 8-2 18 25 10-0

1980 5-5 18 34 8-2

1981 5-5 17 28 8-1-1

1982 7-3 23 22 7-3

1983 9-1 23 20 7-3

1984 8-3 15 17 4-6 UA

1985 8-2 23 25 7-2-1 UA

1986 8-2 21 17 9-2 AU

1987 8-1-1 10 0 7-3

1988 9-1 15 10 7-2

1989 8-2 30 20 10-0 AU

1990 7-2-1 7 16 6-4 UA

1991 5-5 6 13 9-1

1992 5-4-1 0 17 10-0

1993 10-0 22 14 7-2-1*

1994 9-0-1 14 21 10-0

1995 7-3 31 27 8-2 AU

1996 7-3 23 24 8-2

1997 8-2 18 17 4-6

1998 3-7 17 31 6-4

1999 5-5 17 28 8-2

2000 8-2 9 0 3-7

2001 7-2 7 31 4-5 UA

2002 7-4 17 7 9-2 AU

2003 6-5 28 23 4-7

2004 10-0 21 13 6-4

2005 8-2 28 18 9-1 AU

By my calculations, out of 35 years, there have been 10 upsets based on best W-L record entering the game, or 28.6%--Six by Auburn, four by Bama. But again, I'm only looking at W-L records. Last year, for example, if memory serves, didn't most oddsmakers have us favored despite Bama's slightly better record? So that wouldn't really be an upset, would it?

Also, if pre-game records are nearly equal, as in 1985, 1986, and 2005, are these really clear upsets?

Note: I am NOT going back and triple checking my figures--too time consuming--so if there's an error I apologize in advance!

You have to ad in the 1982 23-22 game as a huge upset.

[Tygerman34 0]

After watching AU play a few games this year...I wouldnt be proactively putting the Iron Bowl in the W column if I were an AU fan.

Could you please pass on the name of your Doctor to the rest of us? We could all use some of the great meds that you are receiving, if you think UAT will run up and down the field on Auburn.

[BamaGrad03 0]

After watching AU play a few games this year...I wouldnt be proactively putting the Iron Bowl in the W column if I were an AU fan.

Could you please pass on the name of your Doctor to the rest of us? We could all use some of the great meds that you are receiving, if you think UAT will run up and down the field on Auburn.

Not real adept at reading comprehension huh?

[SKCAUB 0]

The story in the NFL about Shula's Tampa Bay offenses was that they got worse every year, same could be said for Bama's.

Point Totals by year

2003: 331

2004: 295

2005: 263

Right now Alabama is on pace to score 276 for the season but they still have to play LSU and Auburn who are giving up roughly a touchdown a game.

Another funny:

2003: 4-9

2004: 6-6

2005: 10-2

Wait'll the end of this year. Can't wait to put that number up.

(Another funny...0-4 vs AU.)

[Guest Tigrinum Major]

Shula's only 0-3 against Auburn.

[WarTim 3,457]

I believe he meant AFTER this year's IB.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Concerning bama's inept offense (the original subject of this thread), the bama beat writer for the Huntsville Times provided some timely info in yesterday's paper. For all SEC teams he shows the number of TDs scored in their last 8 conference games (the equivalent of a season). I will say up front that based on their posts here bama fans won't get it since they apparently haven't figured out that the purpose of the offense is to score TDs, not just have good stats. Having applied that little caveat, here are the facts (TDs by team):

Auburn 26

Florida 26

Vandy 25

Georgia 22

LSU 22

USC 21

Arky 20

Tenn. 17

Ky 16

Ole Miss 10

bama 8

Now is that pathetic or what? How can anyone argue that bama has the worst offense in the SEC recently.

To make matters worse, in today's Huntsville Times bama OC Dave Rader says Shula is the best play caller he has ever been around. I sure as heck wouldn't want any of the others he's been around. I sure hope Rader and Shula are at bama a long time