The questions I’d like answered.

[PigskinPat 2,579]

I’ve seen a lot of ugliness on this board today. A lot of emotions have boiled over that have made us say things we normally wouldn’t and we certainly wouldn’t if we weren’t hiding behind a keyboard.

Freeze wasn’t my first or even second choice, but I hope he becomes the most successful coach we’ve ever had. I really do. I hope he’s so freaking successful at Auburn that we one day name something on campus after him. Many of you have questioned the morals and character of anyone that could support Freeze as our coach. So these are my questions: what about the coaches and players that support him as our coach? Do you question their morals and character, too? If Carnell stays, and it looks like he will, then he obviously supports Freeze as our coach, doesn’t he? So do we question his character and morals? I mean, how could ANYONE coach under a guy as morally bankrupt as Freeze? So do we cancel Cadillac? Do we question and cancel any coach that chooses to coach under Freeze? What about the players that stay and the players who come to us through the portal and commit to us out of high school? Do we cancel them because you just gotta question anyone who would want to play for a scumbag like Freeze, don’t you? So what do we do? We don’t want to be hypocrites, so we have got to question everyone’s morals and character who support Freeze, don’t we?

[Butthead 525]

Seriously?  You are going to assume that Coach Caddy thinks this is a great hire and Freeze is an honorable guy because he has not quit or looked for another job in a whole 5 hours?  

[miscram6 134]

2 minutes ago, Butthead said:

Seriously?  You are going to assume that Coach Caddy thinks this is a great hire and Freeze is an honorable guy because he has not quit or looked for another job in a whole 5 hours?  

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/auburn-football/cadillac-williams-status-at-auburn-revealed-after-hugh-freeze-hire-per-report/

[Butthead 525]

3 minutes ago, miscram6 said:

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/auburn-football/cadillac-williams-status-at-auburn-revealed-after-hugh-freeze-hire-per-report/

All that means is that his contract is not terminated. Maybe he stays maybe he doesn’t but I have not heard any glowing endorsement from Caddy. You?  I’m sure he has a very strong loyalty to the kids on the team. For the OP to liken that to any type of endorsement of Freeze’s prior behavior is absurd. 

[PigskinPat 2,579]

8 minutes ago, Butthead said:

Seriously?  You are going to assume that Coach Caddy thinks this is a great hire and Freeze is an honorable guy because he has not quit or looked for another job in a whole 5 hours?  

Yeah, butthead, that’s EXACTLY what I was saying.

[Butthead 525]

1 minute ago, PigskinPat said:

Yeah, butthead, that’s EXACTLY what I was saying.

Then you must know him personally as I have not seen any public comments from Caddy. You?  If I missed them please let me know. 

[PigskinPat 2,579]

1 minute ago, Butthead said:

Then you must know him personally as I have not seen any public comments from Caddy. You?  If I missed them please let me know. 

It appears you missed the sarcasm in my reply to you.

[gr82b4au 5,568]

1 minute ago, Butthead said:

Then you must know him personally as I have not seen any public comments from Caddy. You?  If I missed them please let me know. 

Just like you know Hugh personally, right? I mean you are judging him so you must know him. 
Our fan base is our own worst enemy at times. 
why don’t we all agree to just support the kids? I have two children that go to Auburn currently. They are friends with some of these players. I’m not about to give up on them.

[icanthearyou 4,462]

31 minutes ago, PigskinPat said:

We don’t want to be hypocrites, so we have got to question everyone’s morals and character who support Freeze, don’t we?

For me, I only question the character of those who claim that character doesn't matter, only winning matters.  That is the reflection of a highly corrupted value system.

[Butthead 525]

3 minutes ago, PigskinPat said:

It appears you missed the sarcasm in my reply to you.

Yeah you are going to need to point that out. In your OP you said that Caddy ‘obviously’ supports the hire. I just want to know how you know this. I’m not very bright so be specific. 

[AUght2win 6,833]

12 minutes ago, Butthead said:

All that means is that his contract is not terminated. Maybe he stays maybe he doesn’t but I have not heard any glowing endorsement from Caddy. You?  I’m sure he has a very strong loyalty to the kids on the team. For the OP to liken that to any type of endorsement of Freeze’s prior behavior is absurd. 

Nobody - not a soul - is endorsing “Freeze’s prior behavior”. And you know that. There is a concept called forgiveness. If you don’t believe in it, you don’t believe in it. But it’s an option.

[Butthead 525]

3 minutes ago, gr82b4au said:

Just like you know Hugh personally, right? I mean you are judging him so you must know him. 
Our fan base is our own worst enemy at times. 
why don’t we all agree to just support the kids? I have two children that go to Auburn currently. They are friends with some of these players. I’m not about to give up on them.

I don’t know Freeze from Adam, but I know he is 54 years old and persists with horrible judgment. I completely support the athletes and that is why I am concerned about putting someone with such poor judgment in charge of young athletes (many of who need someone with GOOD judgment). 

[PigskinPat 2,579]

1 minute ago, Butthead said:

Yeah you are going to need to point that out. In your OP you said that Caddy ‘obviously’ supports the hire. I just want to know how you know this. I’m not very bright so be specific. 

Read that sentence again. “If he stays and it looks like he will”. I never said he has already come out praising Freeze or that he was 100% staying yet. Don’t make it more complicated than you should.

[Butthead 525]

3 minutes ago, AUght2win said:

Nobody - not a soul - is endorsing “Freeze’s prior behavior”. And you know that. There is a concept called forgiveness. If you don’t believe in it, you don’t believe in it. But it’s an option.

I forgive him for everything. Putting him in charge of young athletes is an entirely different story. There is a difference. 

[Butthead 525]

3 minutes ago, PigskinPat said:

Read that sentence again. “If he stays and it looks like he will”. I never said he has already come out praising Freeze or that he was 100% staying yet. Don’t make it more complicated than you should.

You said if he stays — he ‘obviously’ supports the hire. Your words. 

[SCTiger2011 1,277]

Just now, AUght2win said:

Nobody - not a soul - is endorsing “Freeze’s prior behavior”. And you know that. There is a concept called forgiveness. If you don’t believe in it, you don’t believe in it. But it’s an option.

I ask this sincerely, with no snark or sarcasm intended.  The concept of forgiveness can exist in Auburn fans who do not want Freeze to be coach, correct?  I can forgive him for his missteps in the past (though he does not need my forgiveness, nor do I need his for mistakes in my past) and still not want him representing Auburn University, correct?  

Now to the part of my post that will be the most polarizing, and I'm more than willing to hear the pushback on it.  The hiring of Freeze forever kills Dye's quote that "Auburn fans love Auburn.  Alabama fans love Alabama football." Wins and losses on the football field matter more than the University's reputation and public image.  And, the ironic thing is, there's no proof the risk of needing a handler for the leader of the football program is going to be worth the return on investment.  For all our sakes, I hope he does better than his 62% win percentage the next 36 football games.  If he doesn't, I hope Chris Roberts and John Cohen are sent along with him far away from the Plains.

[PigskinPat 2,579]

2 minutes ago, Butthead said:

You said if he stays — he ‘obviously’ supports the hire. Your words. 

Yes. IF he stays. If he thinks Freeze is scum and Freeze doesn’t align with his values, how could Carnell possibly stay? I doubt he needs the money and he could get a job just about anywhere working for a better person. Would you work for someone you felt that way about?

[Butthead 525]

1 minute ago, PigskinPat said:

Yes. IF he stays. If he thinks Freeze is scum and Freeze doesn’t align with his values, how could Carnell possibly stay? I doubt he needs the money and he could get a job just about anywhere working for a better person. Would you work for someone you felt that way about?

I’ve worked for people that I thought were bad people until I found a suitable alternative. I have a family to think about. Big time college coaching is a small community and I don’t think Caddy is going to say anything negative about Freeze. I believe he is very loyal to Auburn and the players. If he does not make any sort of comment in the coming days I think that will be telling. 

[gr82b4au 5,568]

1 minute ago, Butthead said:

8 minutes ago, gr82b4au said:

 

I don’t know Freeze from Adam,

That is the answer. You don’t know him. 

Sorry, this is not directed at you I am just tired of it all. AU people need to quit being judge, jury, and executioner. I am sick of the holier than thou crowd. So many people like to quote Jesus but they don’t act like him or do what he says. It is infuriating that people cast so many stones. 
I have also heard too many people talk about giving up on Auburn and giving up on OTV, etc. All they are doing is hurting the kids and other coaches that love and want to play for Auburn, not the coach who is going to make his money regardless. 
You never known- maybe this is part of a true redemption story.  Or maybe he crashes and burns. I have no idea. But I will support him at this moment. 

And more than that I support all coaches and the kids. 
 

[Taker 494]

Quick question for the Anti-Freezers 

Does any of this make you feel better about yourself? Why are you CHOOSING to be miserable and trying to force that same misery upon others who are CHOOSING not to be miserable.... 

Life is to live, learn, and love.... 

Some of yall need to learn to love and you live a happier life. 

[AUght2win 6,833]

18 minutes ago, Butthead said:

I forgive him for everything. Putting him in charge of young athletes is an entirely different story. There is a difference. 

Why? What - specifically - do you think he’s going to do to them? How will he corrupt them? Specifically. Is he gonna hook them up with his escort service? Some of y’all just say stuff. He is 0 danger to the players or to any women on campus. 

[AUght2win 6,833]

5 minutes ago, Butthead said:

I’ve worked for people that I thought were bad people until I found a suitable alternative. I have a family to think about. Big time college coaching is a small community and I don’t think Caddy is going to say anything negative about Freeze. I believe he is very loyal to Auburn and the players. If he does not make any sort of comment in the coming days I think that will be telling. 

If Cadillac stays it’s an endorsement. Caddy is already a millionaire who’s set for life. He could coach just about anywhere after his interim stint. He isn’t staying at Auburn because he’s out of options or needs the money. Again. Just saying stuff.

[Butthead 525]

6 minutes ago, gr82b4au said:

That is the answer. You don’t know him. 

Sorry, this is not directed at you I am just tired of it all. AU people need to quit being judge, jury, and executioner. I am sick of the holier than thou crowd. So many people like to quote Jesus but they don’t act like him or do what he says. It is infuriating that people cast so many stones. 
I have also heard too many people talk about giving up on Auburn and giving up on OTV, etc. All they are doing is hurting the kids and other coaches that love and want to play for Auburn, not the coach who is going to make his money regardless. 
You never known- maybe this is part of a true redemption story.  Or maybe he crashes and burns. I have no idea. But I will support him at this moment. 

And more than that I support all coaches and the kids. 
 

Yeah that is the great thing about the internet. I can look up his age on the internet (54) and say to myself ‘how in the hell does someone this age have such poor judgment?’

[AUght2win 6,833]

16 minutes ago, SCTiger2011 said:

I ask this sincerely, with no snark or sarcasm intended.  The concept of forgiveness can exist in Auburn fans who do not want Freeze to be coach, correct?  I can forgive him for his missteps in the past (though he does not need my forgiveness, nor do I need his for mistakes in my past) and still not want him representing Auburn University, correct?  

Now to the part of my post that will be the most polarizing, and I'm more than willing to hear the pushback on it.  The hiring of Freeze forever kills Dye's quote that "Auburn fans love Auburn.  Alabama fans love Alabama football." Wins and losses on the football field matter more than the University's reputation and public image.  And, the ironic thing is, there's no proof the risk of needing a handler for the leader of the football program is going to be worth the return on investment.  For all our sakes, I hope he does better than his 62% win percentage the next 36 football games.  If he doesn't, I hope Chris Roberts and John Cohen are sent along with him far away from the Plains.

He isn’t my first choice either. But it’s him. So I’m backing him. 

This “win at all cost” thing is a myth. We aren’t bringing in someone with an active, unapologetic, unmitigated “cost” (ongoing addiction, abuse, etc). He is a man who messed up his life several years ago.

The only reason a fan wouldn’t at least give him a chance from this point on would be unforgiveness or a fear he’ll relapse. 

[PigskinPat 2,579]

1 minute ago, AUght2win said:

Why? What - specifically - do you think he’s going to do to them? How will he corrupt them? Specifically. Is he gonna hook them up with his escort service? Some of y’all just say stuff. He is 0 danger to the players or to any women on campus. 

And we are naive if we think we are recruiting a bunch of choir boys that Freeze is going to corrupt. Some of these young men we recruit have probably done things that would make Freeze blush. But Freeze and those young men can say regardless of the circumstances we’ve come from, here we are at Auburn. Auburn can make us better and we can make Auburn better.